What do you think about UKIP?

[Ifreann]

Well Ukraine isn't in the EU, and they're not exactly having a great time of things. If you think that Norway not being hell proves that the UK would be fine outside of the EU, then by that reasoning the fact that Ukraine is basically having a civil war proves that the UK would be fucked outside the EU. We call this being hoist by your own petard.

Not entirely. The UK and Ukraine are two different places. WAY DIFFERENT places.

But the UK and Norway are basically the same? Come on.

[Estormo]

But you CAN deny them a say in the voting process.

I presume from the wink that was a joke. On the chance it wasn't you really cant deny someone the vote because you disagree with their politics. Nor can you deny the vote to migrants if they are long term residents of the UK.

Immigrants do not need a vote, the Brits take them in, the Brits decide. If I immigrated to the UK I would not expect a vote.

[Estormo]

Not entirely. The UK and Ukraine are two different places. WAY DIFFERENT places.

But the UK and Norway are basically the same? Come on.

A lot more similar than UK and Ukraine.

[European Socialist Republic]

Well Ukraine isn't in the EU, and they're not exactly having a great time of things. If you think that Norway not being hell proves that the UK would be fine outside of the EU, then by that reasoning the fact that Ukraine is basically having a civil war proves that the UK would be fucked outside the EU. We call this being hoist by your own petard.

Not entirely. The UK and Ukraine are two different places. WAY DIFFERENT places.

No, it's quite correct. Pulling out of the EU would be terrible for the UK.

Look at Norway, the place is hell isn't it?

UK and Norway are similar now?

[Shove Piggy Shove]

But the UK and Norway are basically the same? Come on.

A lot more similar than UK and Ukraine.

Based on what logic?

[European Socialist Republic]

But the UK and Norway are basically the same? Come on.

A lot more similar than UK and Ukraine.

And what exactly makes you think that?

[Estormo]

A lot more similar than UK and Ukraine.

And what exactly makes you think that?

Norway and UK = Anglo
Ukraine = Slavic

[European Socialist Republic]

And what exactly makes you think that?

Norway and UK = Anglo
Ukraine = Slavic

Norway is Anglo? Okay, what did I miss?

[Ifreann]

But the UK and Norway are basically the same? Come on.

A lot more similar than UK and Ukraine.

But not the same. So whether Norway is hell or not is completely irrelevant. Nice work, you're really doing UKIP proud.

[Estormo]

Norway and UK = Anglo
Ukraine = Slavic

Norway is Anglo? Okay, what did I miss?

My mistake. Either-way, the cultures of Norway and the United Kingdom are far more similar than Ukraine. And in government.

[Greater-London]

Immigrants do not need a vote, the Brits take them in, the Brits decide. If I immigrated to the UK I would not expect a vote.

Yes they do. Immigration is only problem if you have no integration which then leads to ghetoisation and poor race relations. If you want to have succesfull immigrant communities they need to be given a stake in their new home AND encouraged to be involved in civil society. Thats how you get a country where people can speak different languages, have different religions and be different colours but still feel like a cohesive group.

Norway and UK = Anglo
Ukraine = Slavic

and you've gone full crazy in one swoop.

[Estormo]

Immigrants do not need a vote, the Brits take them in, the Brits decide. If I immigrated to the UK I would not expect a vote.

Yes they do. Immigration is only problem if you have no integration which then leads to ghetoisation and poor race relations. If you want to have succesfull immigrant communities they need to be given a stake in their new home AND encouraged to be involved in civil society. Thats how you get a country where people can speak different languages, have different religions and be different colours but still feel like a cohesive group.

Norway and UK = Anglo
Ukraine = Slavic

and you've gone full crazy in one swoop.

It has been corrected.

[Wolfmanne]

And what exactly makes you think that?

Norway and UK = Anglo
Ukraine = Slavic

What the hell is this? In that case:

Italy and Spain = Italian
Greece and Turkey = Greek
Poland and Germany = Silesian

[Estormo]

Norway and UK = Anglo
Ukraine = Slavic

What the hell is this? In that case:

Italy and Spain = Italian
Greece and Turkey = Greek
Poland and Germany = Silesian

It has been corrected !

[Shove Piggy Shove]

Norway is Anglo? Okay, what did I miss?

My mistake. Either-way, the cultures of Norway and the United Kingdom are far more similar than Ukraine. And in government.

Apparently not:

http://quintessentiallyburrows.wordpres ... shculture/

[Wolfmanne]

What the hell is this? In that case:

Italy and Spain = Italian
Greece and Turkey = Greek
Poland and Germany = Silesian

It has been corrected !

Fair enough.

[Greater-London]

It has been corrected.

Not really. You just said "my mistake", even if you got the terminology right its still irrelevant. I also assume that you didn't address my point about the importance of immigrants voting that you concede that you where wrong.

[Agritum]

Norway and UK = Anglo
Ukraine = Slavic

What the hell is this? In that case:

Italy and Spain = Italian
Greece and Turkey = Greek
Poland and Germany = Silesian

Saying that Italians and Spaniards are alike is like saying that Argentinians and Mexicans are the same thing, Wolf.

[Wolfmanne]

What the hell is this? In that case:

Italy and Spain = Italian
Greece and Turkey = Greek
Poland and Germany = Silesian

Saying that Italians and Spaniards are alike is like saying that Argentinians and Mexicans are the same thing, Wolf.

Exactly. They aren't. It's also like saying Maltese and Italians are the same. They aren't.

[Shove Piggy Shove]

What the hell is this? In that case:

Italy and Spain = Italian
Greece and Turkey = Greek
Poland and Germany = Silesian

Saying that Italians and Spaniards are alike is like saying that Argentinians and Mexicans are the same thing, Wolf.

They were highlighting the absurdity of the statement from Agritum rather than making a serious point.

[Agritum]

Saying that Italians and Spaniards are alike is like saying that Argentinians and Mexicans are the same thing, Wolf.

Exactly. They aren't. It's also like saying Maltese and Italians are the same. They aren't.

You're just a bunch of odd guys who speak a weirder tongue than Sicilians

[Wolfmanne]

Exactly. They aren't. It's also like saying Maltese and Italians are the same. They aren't.

You're just a bunch of odd guys who speak a weirder tongue than Sicilians

Why thank you .

[The New Lowlands]

As I understand it, they want to kick me out of the country, so I can't say I have a very positive opinion of them.

[Shove Piggy Shove]

As I understand it, they want to kick me out of the country, so I can't say I have a very positive opinion of them.

I don't think they are actually advocating deporting existing immigrants (unless they're suspected of being criminals/terrorists), but will instead place a five year freeze on all immigration to the UK:

http://www.ukip.org/issues/policy-pages/immigration

Of course, this is still a bad thing - it's just nice to get your reasons for disliking someone right

[Imperializt Russia]

That's not really an expansion, it's just a nonsensical statement with no supporting arguments...

Must I? For example, they do not allow just any random immigrant who wants into the UK

Nor do the major parties.
What's your opposition to immigration?

Which issues? EU? Immigration? NHS? Same Sex Marriage? Environment/Power?

EU: EU can go fuck off for all I care. Terrible and pointless organization with no purpose.
Same-sex marriage: I really don't care honestly. However, I'd first take the government out of marriage completely. It is in my opinion a spiritual/religious ceremony that would be best left in the hands of the people free of state interference. Civil unions, however, is how the State should go about this issue and such.
Environment: Another issue I couldn't give a damn about. Energy independence is cool though I guess.

Being able to move around Europe without a visa and being able to trade freely between member states are enormous benefits.