What do you think about UKIP?

[Imperializt Russia]

None, it was purely a hypothetical statement and I should have clarified.

Though for next year's general election I will be voting in the Liverpool constituency (whatever it is) and will probably have a second postal vote to my hometown.

Ah. I'm rather screwed, as I vote in Philip Hammond's constituency. Solidly Tory.

My hometown used to be a Labour safe seat until the last election when it inexplicably flipped Tory, to a wazzock who can't even get someone to spellcheck his website.

Though I shouldn't be surprised, since Grimsby is somewhat... racially homogenous, and this MP is pretty anti-immigration and not much else.

[Scholencia]

I guess from this you think Gove's whitewashing of WWI politics is an excellent policy and we should be rounding up these leftist scholars? I mean, what do they know with their period texts written by people who were there and basic analysis of the politics of the world of the era.

No, just give a more patriotic tune into the explaining of history. Like for examply instead of teaching the kids how the "soldiers fell in the battle fields for nothing" says how they are a great example of the dedication to the love of their country. Truth is twosided and just to teach you one sided truth is bad.

Germany violated the Treaty of Versailles because it was one of the maddest things put to paper. A second War was predicted by... someone, entirely because of how ludicrous the Treaty was. It carved up Germany's wealth, empire and production for the victors. They might as well have just bloody occupied it, carved up the country itself, disbanded Germany and been done with it.
If you didn't expect a second war to come about from that treaty, you were a colossal bellend.
If you wanted that treaty to lead to a second war, you're a worse bellend, because you're now complicit into politicking into existence the holocaust.

Paying reparations is just fair. Why did Germany declared war in first place if it did not want to pay reparations?

It was already occupied in Saar province and there was also a separatist movement initiated by France. But wiothout results.

Also, what has the holocaust to do with this now?

[Imperializt Russia]

Germany declared war, because Russia declared war on the Austro-Hungarian Empire because they declared war on Serbia because a Serbian terror group backed by Serbian military commanders assassinated the Archduke of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

WWI politics were a massive clusterfuck of criss-crossing allianced, which is why the same shit doesn't still exist today.

[Alf Landon]

None, it was purely a hypothetical statement and I should have clarified.

Though for next year's general election I will be voting in the Liverpool constituency (whatever it is) and will probably have a second postal vote to my hometown.

Ah. I'm rather screwed, as I vote in Philip Hammond's constituency. Solidly Tory.

You poor man.

[Scholencia]

Germany declared war, because Russia declared war on the Austro-Hungarian Empire because they declared war on Serbia because a Serbian terror group backed by Serbian military commanders assassinated the Archduke of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

WWI politics were a massive clusterfuck of criss-crossing allianced, which is why the same shit doesn't still exist today.

Why did declared war on belgium? It was necesarly, and the UK would not enter in the war.

It could easily attack France directly, but no Germany was a power hungry nation and had to attack Belgium.

[Imperializt Russia]

Germany declared war, because Russia declared war on the Austro-Hungarian Empire because they declared war on Serbia because a Serbian terror group backed by Serbian military commanders assassinated the Archduke of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

WWI politics were a massive clusterfuck of criss-crossing allianced, which is why the same shit doesn't still exist today.

Why did declared war on belgium? It was necesarly, and the UK would not enter in the war.

It could easily attack France directly, but no Germany was a power hungry nation and had to attack Belgium.

It's one more place that France and Britain can't use to fight Germany. And one more place that Germany could use to fight them.

[Densaner]

I support their policy over EU membership. They are the only party in the UK with elected representation (mostly MEPs) who want to end Britain's membership of the EU. I don't like the EU. I don't like the agenda of a federal Europe. I particularly dislike the fact that many of the major changes brought in by the EU are proposed by people without an electoral mandate.

[Alf Landon]

I'm surprised the positive opinion side of this poll isn't doing better. After that general election poll I did, I was expecting a rush of UKIP groupies, but that hasn't really materialised.

[Geilinor]

I support their policy over EU membership. They are the only party in the UK with elected representation (mostly MEPs) who want to end Britain's membership of the EU. I don't like the EU. I don't like the agenda of a federal Europe. I particularly dislike the fact that many of the major changes brought in by the EU are proposed by people without an electoral mandate.

The idea of a federal Europe isn't going to happen, it's mostly just talk.

[Densaner]

I'm surprised the positive opinion side of this poll isn't doing better. After that general election poll I did, I was expecting a rush of UKIP groupies, but that hasn't really materialised.

Not a UKIP groupie or member for that matter. However the lib/lab/con "groupies" ignoring the view that the UK should have a referendum on the EU is worthy of a mention. That view has been as high as 80% of the UK population according to opinion polls.

[Densaner]

I support their policy over EU membership. They are the only party in the UK with elected representation (mostly MEPs) who want to end Britain's membership of the EU. I don't like the EU. I don't like the agenda of a federal Europe. I particularly dislike the fact that many of the major changes brought in by the EU are proposed by people without an electoral mandate.

The idea of a federal Europe isn't going to happen, it's mostly just talk.

Tell that to the Union of European Federalists and EU Commissioner Viviane Reding.

[Britanno]

Why did declared war on belgium? It was necesarly, and the UK would not enter in the war.

It could easily attack France directly, but no Germany was a power hungry nation and had to attack Belgium.

Germany attacked Belgium because France had been building up its defences on the border with Germany, and Germany needed to get to France quickly for the Schlieffen Plan to work and it thought going through Belgium would make it much quicker. However, they completely underestimated the Belgians, leading me to admire them massively.

[Neo Rome Republic]

Lets see Xenophobic, Socially Conservative, Far-Right economically. Yep, I despise their existence.

[The USOT]

The good thing about being human is that our ancestors are fucking monsters, they are pieces of shit. There is nothing to be glad of in them. The only way to look is forward. It's a liberating realization.

Because screw art, all the good people who ever lived, the wonderful insights of culture and poetry because of the past?
I don't even...

[Rabopari]

that's the critisicm article and remember ANYBODY can edit wikipedia

Which is why you follow the references used to make the Wikipedia page. Do people not realise this?

i have'nt been on the page

[Shove Piggy Shove]

Ah yes, the class that bickered for centuries on whether or not slavery was a shit thing to do.
The class that argued with eachother on whether the poor and women deserve a vote.
The class that wasn't quite sure if the races should be equal.

Ah... common
This all what you said did also the islamic caliphates and african tribes yet I bet because of your guilt complex you would never say that muslims and africans were evil.

At least the Britan was the first on the world who abolished that. ¹Britain gave first to the women the right to vote, ²Bitain abolished slavery in the 18th century, and gave voting rights to all people regardless of race. All that even the african tribes or muslim caliphates did not even know what voting means.

But the class that was resolutely behind the multi-polar clusterfuck that led directly to two world wars, and risked a third that would have ended the human race with the Suez fiasco.
Splendid, splendid individuals. Heros one and all.

Umm... you need to use history lessons.

The bolded statement makes me want to point a couple of things out here:

1. The first country to give women the right to vote was New Zealand in 1893, the UK granted partial suffrage in 1918 and full suffrage in 1928 - we weren't even the first country in Europe to allow women to vote, this was Finland in 1906.

2. Slavery wasn't ended in the British empire until the 19th Century. The slave trade was outlawed in 1807 throughout the empire and slavery was abolished (via gradual manumission) in 1833. The united kingdoms of Denmark & Norway, however, did issue a decree in the 18th Century (1792) abolishing the slave trade, coming into full effect by 1803 and in doing so became the earliest European nation to ban the slave trade.

[Greater-London]

Because instead of refusing to play the system outright, I've instead tried to play it, exactly how it was intended to be played.

So playing a broken system is better somehow than rejecting it? fair enough. It's also debatable as to wether spoiling your ballot is refusing to play the system, I dont refuse liberal representative democracy just the candidates they give to me. The system however wasn't designed to be a mechanism to elect lesser of two evils, it was designed to allow people to choose the government of the day that they wanted.

[Breadknife]

Why did declared war on belgium? It was necesarly, and the UK would not enter in the war.

It could easily attack France directly, but no Germany was a power hungry nation and had to attack Belgium.

Germany attacked Belgium because France had been building up its defences on the border with Germany, and Germany needed to get to France quickly for the Schlieffen Plan to work and it thought going through Belgium would make it much quicker. However, they completely underestimated the Belgians, leading me to admire them massively.

Still, it managed to work much better the second-time round, when doing effectively the same thing just to avoiding the Maginot Line.

[Parti Ouvrier]

they're a bunch of useless out of touch arsehole like the rest of the dickheads who are in that nursery everyone calls Westminster

Wow. Okay fact check UKIP are very much out of the Westminster bubble, they are very much anti-establishment. As for being out of touch, I think your also wrong, notice how they have hoovered up votes from all 3 main political parties and also from people who say they haven't voted in years. Like it or not Farage and his ilk speak for millions of people up and down the United Kingdom in many areas more than our 3 big political parties.

David Cameron, educated at a public school, Nigel Farrage, also educated at a public school, Farrage's father was a stockbroker, as was Nigel Farrage. This man of the people PR is wearing very thin!

[Parti Ouvrier]

I just don't understand how anyone can call themselves a Labour member or voter post 1997. Whilst I wouldn't have voted for the likes of old Labour they were worthy opponents with integrity. New Labour is just an election winning machine and mouth peace for middle-class gaurdian readers.

The...Guardian......*Cringe*

To be fair on the guardian, it was the same paper that pursued the Ed Snowden story and NSA surveillance with gusto, until the British state resorted to intimidation of the paper and American journalist Glen Greenwald.
Anyway, what is it with you out-dated nationalists? And what about human heritage? Why does both your Xenophobic party and ukip oppose the free movement of people?

By the way, I'm not voting Labour, too nationalist for my liking.

[Parti Ouvrier]

I support their policy over EU membership. They are the only party in the UK with elected representation (mostly MEPs) who want to end Britain's membership of the EU. I don't like the EU. I don't like the agenda of a federal Europe. I particularly dislike the fact that many of the major changes brought in by the EU are proposed by people without an electoral mandate.

The idea of a federal Europe isn't going to happen, it's mostly just talk.

The EU is a confederation, how else is Spain able to threaten a veto potentially independent Scotland seeking to join the EU?

[Malgrave]

You are quite lucky then. John Whittingdale, the homophobic Thatcherite is my MP. I'm half-tempted to try and steal his seat in the next election but I know that is an impossible pipe dream >_>

You don't know how much I'm tingling at the thought of an NSer as MP.

doitdoitdoitdoit

I'm tempted but I keep imagining people trawling through my post history on this website and assuming everything I post is my opinion.

[Imperializt Russia]

Because instead of refusing to play the system outright, I've instead tried to play it, exactly how it was intended to be played.

So playing a broken system is better somehow than rejecting it? fair enough. It's also debatable as to wether spoiling your ballot is refusing to play the system, I dont refuse liberal representative democracy just the candidates they give to me. The system however wasn't designed to be a mechanism to elect lesser of two evils, it was designed to allow people to choose the government of the day that they wanted.

I believe that's an impossible idealism to ask of democracies.
Look at America. You're given a binary choice. Two shit sandwiches.

At least here we can actually compromise on some of our political wants to see our political needs better supported.

[Scholencia]

Ah... common
This all what you said did also the islamic caliphates and african tribes yet I bet because of your guilt complex you would never say that muslims and africans were evil.

At least the Britan was the first on the world who abolished that. ¹Britain gave first to the women the right to vote, ²Bitain abolished slavery in the 18th century, and gave voting rights to all people regardless of race. All that even the african tribes or muslim caliphates did not even know what voting means.


Umm... you need to use history lessons.

The bolded statement makes me want to point a couple of things out here:

1. The first country to give women the right to vote was New Zealand in 1893, the UK granted partial suffrage in 1918 and full suffrage in 1928 - we weren't even the first country in Europe to allow women to vote, this was Finland in 1906.

2. Slavery wasn't ended in the British empire until the 19th Century. The slave trade was outlawed in 1807 throughout the empire and slavery was abolished (via gradual manumission) in 1833. The united kingdoms of Denmark & Norway, however, did issue a decree in the 18th Century (1792) abolishing the slave trade, coming into full effect by 1803 and in doing so became the earliest European nation to ban the slave trade.

1. New Zealand was part of the British Empire back than so indeed the UK was tge first country who abolished.
2. Slavery was banned in the British island in the mid 18th century while the whole Empire abolished it later. When did the muslim caliphates abolished by the way?

[Tagmatium]

UKIP may have its problems and to be honest it is not perfect but at least they are not traitors as the labour and LibDem who dedicated themselfs to the cause of Brussels and the Europroject.

Britain had a brilliant political class in the golden age of the Empire (for which I am bit nostalgic) which ended in the 1950s. UKIP at least share some stances of thoose capable statesmen.

Because UKIP likes to pretend that the Empire is still a think, and that Britain is a special enough snowflake that it can do what the fuck it wants.

There's a reason why it ended in the 1950s - reality happened, and shit had to change.