What do you think about UKIP?

[Imperializt Russia]

I can't think of a single issue where I agree with them, so my opinion of them is very negative.

Abolition of taxation for minimum wage workers?

The main parties practically already have. Minimum wage will earn you about £12,000 (less than) and everyone gets £10,000 tax-free basic income bracket.
Your minimum wage worker pays a whopping £228 a year in tax and should not vote for UKIP to eliminate that additional £228.
Shop at Aldi two months of the year, that'll replicate the saving.

[Nervium]

Abolition of taxation for minimum wage workers?

The main parties practically already have. Minimum wage will earn you about £12,000 (less than) and everyone gets £10,000 tax-free basic income bracket.

Well, that was my two cents.

[Arkinesia]

They're full of minarchist, isolationist idiots.

That's not what UKIP espouses, but even so, what's wrong with limited government?

Minarchism isn't about limited government, it's about minimal government. It's a morally and mentally bankrupt ideology that has been proven wrong countless times.

[Unio de Sovetaj Socialismaj Respublikoj]

Their "Science" Advisor said that only religious people (preferably Christians) can be scientists because only they have morals.
http://openparachute.wordpress.com/2010/01/18/monckton-requires-religious-certification-for-scientists/

UKIP are anti-immigration and many members have been caught saying racial slurs, sexist slurs, homophobic slurs, and general nazi sympathising. A quick search with google will show up hundreds of results(https://encrypted.google.com/#q=ukip+racist).

They seem to be semi-fascist, a more upper class BNP.

First of all "general Nazi sympathising" what is this bullshit? Secondly your definition of fascism is very poor its possible to be all the things you listed and still not be a fascist. I'm not denying their are racists in UKIP and people haven't said some extraordinary offensive things however as I have said before they are swooped down on because they are UKIP members and it makes good story in the paper. Take for instance the homophobic UKIP councillor who was ignored as a Conservative but becomes front page news once he is a member of UKIP. As for being a party of Nazi sympathisers they are the only party that denys membership to former BNP and NF members unlike both the Labour and Conservative party.

The reason they have to ban all former BNP and NF members is because UKIP is their first choice. And I said that UKIP was semi-fascist, which means it has fascist tendencies but is not completely fascist.
http://shirazsocialist.wordpress.com/2013/05/04/ukip-how-far-from-fascism/

[Scholencia]

UKIP may have its problems and to be honest it is not perfect but at least they are not traitors as the labour and LibDem who dedicated themselfs to the cause of Brussels and the Europroject.

Britain had a brilliant political class in the golden age of the Empire (for which I am bit nostalgic) which ended in the 1950s. UKIP at least share some stances of thoose capable statesmen.

[The Picti]

As far as I'm concerned, I have a very negative opinion of UKIP.

Brit nat nazi scum, does that sound negative enough? next time Farage ventures north of the wall we'll be waiting with the wicker man

[Ostroeuropa]

UKIP may have its problems and to be honest it is not perfect but at least they are not traitors as the labour and LibDem who dedicated themselfs to the cause of Brussels and the Europroject.

Britain had a brilliant political class in the golden age of the Empire (for which I am bit nostalgic) which ended in the 1950s. UKIP at least share some stances of thoose capable statesmen.

Ah yes, the class that bickered for centuries on whether or not slavery was a shit thing to do.
The class that argued with eachother on whether the poor and women deserve a vote.
The class that wasn't quite sure if the races should be equal.

But the class that was resolutely behind the multi-polar clusterfuck that led directly to two world wars, and risked a third that would have ended the human race with the Suez fiasco.
Splendid, splendid individuals. Heros one and all.

The good thing about being human is that our ancestors are fucking monsters, they are pieces of shit. There is nothing to be glad of in them. The only way to look is forward. It's a liberating realization.

[Ostroeuropa]

UKIP may have its problems and to be honest it is not perfect but at least they are not traitors as the labour and LibDem who dedicated themselfs to the cause of Brussels and the Europroject.

Britain had a brilliant political class in the golden age of the Empire (for which I am bit nostalgic) which ended in the 1950s. UKIP at least share some stances of thoose capable statesmen.

Ah yes, the class that bickered for centuries on whether or not slavery was a shit thing to do.
The class that argued with eachother on whether the poor and women deserve a vote.
The class that wasn't quite sure if the races should be equal.

But the class that was resolutely behind the multi-polar clusterfuck that led directly to two world wars, and risked a third that would have ended the human race with the Suez fiasco.
Splendid, splendid individuals. Heros one and all.

The good thing about being human is that our ancestors are fucking monsters, they are pieces of shit. There is nothing to be glad of in them. The only way to look is forward. It's a liberating realization.

The equal revelation to this is that our descendents will be better than we could ever hope to be. Be glad that they'll think we were morons for making the mistakes we did.

[Greater-London]

No, I said that tactical voting [at least] puts forwards an actual vote.

But what difference does your "actual" vote against my spoiled ballot make? unless the candidate you voted for wins? bugger all. As such tactical voting is a bit of a farce unless your one of those lucky devils that lives in a swing seat.

[Greater-London]

The reason they have to ban all former BNP and NF members is because UKIP is their first choice. And I said that UKIP was semi-fascist, which means it has fascist tendencies but is not completely fascist.
http://shirazsocialist.wordpress.com/2013/05/04/ukip-how-far-from-fascism/

But the fact that they are banned from membership proves everything. They have atracted voters from far right parties but that doesn't make them a racist or a "semi-fascist" (whatever that term means) party. The article you showed didn't give any examples of UKIP being a facist party it just gave examples of people who were UKIP members saying ridiculous things and embarrassments the party has faced. If your going to call them fascists you need to explain WHY instead of just using lazy buzzwords. Your link proved nothing except raise the point that that UKIP isn't an attractive political party, and it has no clear stratagey. That doesn't make it a racist party or a semi-fascist party.

[Unio de Sovetaj Socialismaj Respublikoj]

The reason they have to ban all former BNP and NF members is because UKIP is their first choice. And I said that UKIP was semi-fascist, which means it has fascist tendencies but is not completely fascist.
http://shirazsocialist.wordpress.com/2013/05/04/ukip-how-far-from-fascism/

But the fact that they are banned from membership proves everything. They have atracted voters from far right parties but that doesn't make them a racist or a "semi-fascist" (whatever that term means) party. The article you showed didn't give any examples of UKIP being a facist party it just gave examples of people who were UKIP members saying ridiculous things and embarrassments the party has faced. If your going to call them fascists you need to explain WHY instead of just using lazy buzzwords. Your link proved nothing except raise the point that that UKIP isn't an attractive political party, and it has no clear stratagey. That doesn't make it a racist party or a semi-fascist party.

Just go on their website, it has all the evidence you need.

[Scholencia]

Ah yes, the class that bickered for centuries on whether or not slavery was a shit thing to do.
The class that argued with eachother on whether the poor and women deserve a vote.
The class that wasn't quite sure if the races should be equal.

Ah... common
This all what you said did also the islamic caliphates and african tribes yet I bet because of your guilt complex you would never say that muslims and africans were evil.

At least the Britan was the first on the world who abolished that. Britain gave first to the women the right to vote, Bitain abolished slavery in the 18th century, and gave voting rights to all people regardless of race. All that even the african tribes or muslim caliphates did not even know what voting means.

But the class that was resolutely behind the multi-polar clusterfuck that led directly to two world wars, and risked a third that would have ended the human race with the Suez fiasco.
Splendid, splendid individuals. Heros one and all.

Umm... you need to use history lessons.

Britain only entered in World War I only because Germany attacked Belgium which was in contrary of our national interest. We went there only to help a small nation from a much larger agression.

The start of the second ww has nothing to do with Britain. Germany had to be punished for all the lost British lives in Pashandale, and it violated the Treaty of Versailles.

And yes, all the British soldier who lost their lives in two world wars are heroes... except to traitors.

The good thing about being human is that our ancestors are fucking monsters, they are pieces of shit. There is nothing to be glad of in them. The only way to look is forward. It's a liberating realization.

Maybe yours. Mine are not. They have at least built schools and roads in Africa in order to help the Africans. And where is the thanks form them to the UK?

[Greater-London]

Just go on their website, it has all the evidence you need.

Now your really clutching at straws. I have been on the UKIP website, I've looked at UKIP policy in great detail (had to research it for part of my degree). Its not facist by any definition its just right wing and wrong. I can only assume you haven't bothered to study UKIP's manifesto or you have no idea what fascism is.

Also the link that you shared the more I've looked at it appears to be someones blog and not serious political journalism, ergo its not an especially worthy source.

[Agritum]

Just go on their website, it has all the evidence you need.

Now your really clutching at straws. I have been on the UKIP website, I've looked at UKIP policy in great detail (had to research it for part of my degree). Its not facist by any definition its just right wing and wrong. I can only assume you haven't bothered to study UKIP's manifesto or you have no idea what fascism is.

Dear fuck, I'm so bored of people dropping "fascist" around as a catch-all term for authoritarians and/or people they don't like.

[Voltrovia]

Britain had a brilliant political class in the golden age of the Empire (for which I am bit nostalgic) which ended in the 1950s. UKIP at least share some stances of thoose capable statesmen.

You were doing great in this paragraph, until the last sentence.

[Divair]

Now your really clutching at straws. I have been on the UKIP website, I've looked at UKIP policy in great detail (had to research it for part of my degree). Its not facist by any definition its just right wing and wrong. I can only assume you haven't bothered to study UKIP's manifesto or you have no idea what fascism is.

Dear fuck, I'm so bored of people dropping "fascist" around as a catch-all term for authoritarians and/or people they don't like.

Fascist, socialist, communist, liberal, people use all sorts of terms that mean fuck all.

[Scholencia]

Britain had a brilliant political class in the golden age of the Empire (for which I am bit nostalgic) which ended in the 1950s. UKIP at least share some stances of thoose capable statesmen.

You were doing great in this paragraph, until the last sentence.

Well, could you say which parites have a positive stances about the Empire?

Than you know what I meant, I aknowledge that UKIP is not perfect but seeing as how Euro-serfs from UK saying about them it is making UKIP more better in my eyes.

[Imperializt Russia]

No, I said that tactical voting [at least] puts forwards an actual vote.

But what difference does your "actual" vote against my spoiled ballot make? unless the candidate you voted for wins? bugger all. As such tactical voting is a bit of a farce unless your one of those lucky devils that lives in a swing seat.

Because instead of refusing to play the system outright, I've instead tried to play it, exactly how it was intended to be played.

[Voltrovia]

You were doing great in this paragraph, until the last sentence.

Well, could you say which parites have a positive stances about the Empire?

Than you know what I meant, I aknowledge that UKIP is not perfect but seeing as how Euro-serfs from UK saying about them it is making UKIP more better in my eyes.

On two levels, I disagree with you. Simply put:

1) No politicians have the convictions or standards that were sacrosanct just over a half a century ago.

2) UKIP, while well fronted, are ever so slightly xenophobic, as well as being disunited and reactionary, whatever the benevolent intent of one or two of their leaders - Macmillan, Churchill and Attlee (and even Gaitskell) VS Cameron, Miliband and Farage (and even Brown).

I think I know who was best.

[Scholencia]

On two levels, I disagree with you. Simply put:

1) No politicians have the convictions or standards that were sacrosanct just over a half a century ago.

2) UKIP, while well fronted, are ever so slightly xenophobic, as well as being disunited and reactionary, whatever the benevolent intent of one or two of their leaders - Macmillan, Churchill and Attlee (and even Gaitskell) VS Cameron, Miliband and Farage (and even Brown).

I think I know who was best.

1. I am aware of that. In my opinion the modern-day politicians should take lessons from past. Maybe Britain would be Great again.

2. the former one were better.

[Divair]

But what difference does your "actual" vote against my spoiled ballot make? unless the candidate you voted for wins? bugger all. As such tactical voting is a bit of a farce unless your one of those lucky devils that lives in a swing seat.

Because instead of refusing to play the system outright, I've instead tried to play it, exactly how it was intended to be played.

What constituency do you vote in?

[Breadknife]

The start of the second ww has nothing to do with Britain. Germany had to be punished for all the lost British lives in Pashandale, and it violated the Treaty of Versailles.

Wut?

And yes, all the British soldier who lost their lives in two world wars are heroes... except to traitors.

And this is downright confusing. (As if the first bit wasn't, already.)

[Imperializt Russia]

Because instead of refusing to play the system outright, I've instead tried to play it, exactly how it was intended to be played.

What constituency do you vote in?

None, it was purely a hypothetical statement and I should have clarified.

Though for next year's general election I will be voting in the Liverpool constituency (whatever it is) and will probably have a second postal vote to my hometown.

[Divair]

What constituency do you vote in?

None, it was purely a hypothetical statement and I should have clarified.

Though for next year's general election I will be voting in the Liverpool constituency (whatever it is) and will probably have a second postal vote to my hometown.

Ah. I'm rather screwed, as I vote in Philip Hammond's constituency. Solidly Tory.

[Imperializt Russia]

The start of the second ww has nothing to do with Britain. Germany had to be punished for all the lost British lives in Pashandale, and it violated the Treaty of Versailles.

I guess from this you think Gove's whitewashing of WWI politics is an excellent policy and we should be rounding up these leftist scholars? I mean, what do they know with their period texts written by people who were there and basic analysis of the politics of the world of the era.

Germany violated the Treaty of Versailles because it was one of the maddest things put to paper. A second War was predicted by... someone, entirely because of how ludicrous the Treaty was. It carved up Germany's wealth, empire and production for the victors. They might as well have just bloody occupied it, carved up the country itself, disbanded Germany and been done with it.
If you didn't expect a second war to come about from that treaty, you were a colossal bellend.
If you wanted that treaty to lead to a second war, you're a worse bellend, because you're now complicit into politicking into existence the holocaust.