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Postby New haven america » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:41 pm

Untaroicht wrote:Even as an Asexual AND Anti-Sexual, who dreams of a world without the sin of lust, I find this to be bonkers.

In a perfect world, people will realize that sex (IMO) is a crude, degenerative aspect of biology that should be weeded out through technology such as cloning (just as many diseases have found vaccines), but no human is "superior", and we sure as hell can't force the change if we don't want to appear to be nuts.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:42 pm

Czechanada wrote:I also need to bring in some studies on how men and women are exploited in the production of pornography.

Good luck trying to use that to make people oppose sexual reproduction.
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Postby The Sotoan Union » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:42 pm

Czechanada wrote:I also need to bring in some studies on how men and women are exploited in the production of pornography.

How are they being exploited? Being payed money for a service that they willingly do is exploitation?

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Postby Transhuman Proteus » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:42 pm

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Inquilabstan wrote:I find this absurd as a demisexual myself (so technically asexual). Let's not throw evolution and basic laws of sexuality out of the window, yes?


What is demisexuality, if I may ask?


I memory serves, it's a person who only experiences sexual and/or romantic attraction to a person they already have a strong emotional bond with.

So they aren't a person who is ever going to fall in love/lust at first sight, or develop a romantic interest in a stranger or an acquittance, but if they are given time to form other emotional bonds sometimes a sexual and/or romantic interest can grow out of it.

The one person I know who considers themselves one actually thought they were asexual until they feel in love with a very close friend (they have many friends, but it only happened with one of them). Thankfully for them the feelings were reciprocated, and the two of them are very happy together.

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Postby Atelia » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:44 pm

Once again I agree with you, As an Asexual I have found myself to have a quite peaceful life.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:44 pm

Czechanada wrote:I also need to bring in some studies on how men and women are exploited in the production of pornography.

1. They get paid
2. It's voluntary
You need to learn what Exploitation really is.
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Postby Arkiasis » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:46 pm

Bisexual is the best. :D
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:47 pm

New haven america wrote:
Czechanada wrote:I also need to bring in some studies on how men and women are exploited in the production of pornography.

1. They get paid
2. It's voluntary
You need to learn what Exploitation really it.

Yeah, it's as if OP has lost the debate before it really began.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:47 pm

Arkiasis wrote:Bisexual is the best. :D

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Postby Nua Corda » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:47 pm

Complete and total cultural and psychological separation of sex and romance is the best option, iffin ye ask me.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:48 pm

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Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Nah. Sex has many benefits, both physical and mental. I say its benefits make it great and outnumber any negative aspects.

I have nothing against asexuality, but it being the best form of sexuality? Heh, doubtful.


Well, at least we could reallocate the time and money used for sexual education to other curricula.


Or we could keep providing sexual education as is. It's plain to see that since the parents aren't doing their job, the schools have to pick up the slack.
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Postby The 93rd Coalition » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:48 pm

How can there be a BEST kind of sexuality? It's like deciding the best type of foot, it's just THERE.

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Postby The Sotoan Union » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:48 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
New haven america wrote:1. They get paid
2. It's voluntary
You need to learn what Exploitation really it.

Yeah, it's as if OP has lost the debate before it really began.

It's as if the OP isn't serious and this isn't a real discussion.

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Postby Czechanada » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:49 pm

The 93rd Coalition wrote:How can there be a BEST kind of sexuality? It's like deciding the best type of foot, it's just THERE.


Such things can be objectively determined.
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Postby Eastern Equestria » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:49 pm

The 93rd Coalition wrote:How can there be a BEST kind of sexuality? It's like deciding the best type of foot, it's just THERE.


Opinions are like assholes.....

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:49 pm

For some reason, I want to post a picture of Kim Il-Sung saying "Asexuality is BestSexuality."
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:51 pm

The Sotoan Union wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:Yeah, it's as if OP has lost the debate before it really began.

It's as if the OP isn't serious and this isn't a real discussion.

That might indeed be the case.
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Postby Czechanada » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:51 pm

Also, through cloning, women can avoid the pain of child birth, and we would no longer need any debates on abortion.
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Postby The Sotoan Union » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:51 pm

Czechanada wrote:
The 93rd Coalition wrote:How can there be a BEST kind of sexuality? It's like deciding the best type of foot, it's just THERE.


Such things can be objectively determined.

No not really.

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Postby Nua Corda » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:52 pm

Czechanada wrote:Also, through cloning, women can avoid the pain of child birth, and we would no longer need any debates on abortion.


But...

No abortion debates?

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Postby Sun Wukong » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:52 pm

Czechanada wrote:I also need to bring in some studies on how men and women are exploited in the production of pornography.

No. You really don't. What with it being completely irrelevant.
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Postby Untaroicht » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:52 pm

Nua Corda wrote:
Czechanada wrote:Also, through cloning, women can avoid the pain of child birth, and we would no longer need any debates on abortion.


But...

No abortion debates?

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Postby The 93rd Coalition » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:52 pm

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The 93rd Coalition wrote:How can there be a BEST kind of sexuality? It's like deciding the best type of foot, it's just THERE.


Such things can be objectively determined.


Really? How? There isn't any particular advantage to asexuality, it would just remove the love/pleasure element added in by partnered sexuality. If anything, it may have a adverse impact on our society by making us more apathetic to the needs of others.

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Postby Eastern Equestria » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:53 pm

Nua Corda wrote:
Czechanada wrote:Also, through cloning, women can avoid the pain of child birth, and we would no longer need any debates on abortion.


But...

No abortion debates?

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Postby Transhuman Proteus » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:53 pm

Czechanada wrote:My friends, there is too much societal strain being caused from clashes of love, romance, and sex. Ever since the sexual revolution of the 20th century:
    The divorce rate is around 30-50%, psychological research has revealed that rejection affects the same part of the brain that deals with physical pain, there is still too far much rape occurring, family conflict such as wife beating is a serious problem, religions are forced to contain vestiges of intolerance due to their hateful rules on interfaith marriages, people are depressed due to breakups, rejection, and adultery, and sexualization of women and men paints a horrible portrayal in the media, setting poor standards for society such as children being compelled to adhere to ideals of gender. Moreover, there is also too much intolerance of alternate sexualities such as homosexuality.

Now, given that cloning is on the cusp of being unlocked, and some have advocated for a voluntary extinction movement, should human consider asexuality to become the dominant sexuality?

I would argue that yes. The benefits of sexuality do not outweigh the negative consequences. Self-satisfaction of genitalia can be had without sexual arousal, so that feeling would not be missed.However, I do not support the voluntary extinction movement, so cloning will be forced to suffice. Furthermore, given the differences in male and female sexual responses during intercourse (including the fact that women need not rest after orgasm), sex is an unequal activity and thus is unethical and inherently matriarchal.


Since asexuality isn't a state a person can normally choose (any more than being attracted to men/women/etc is), it doesn't make a lot of sense to be urging people to adopt it. No, you're essentially urging people to become celibate, not asexual. Unless you're also advocating some manner of psychological/neurological means of putting everyones brain into the right frame of mind.

Further - asexuals can, and do quite often, still have relationships (romantic, though some also submit to sex if they are with a non-asexual partner). Humans are a social animal, what makes you think if sex was absent they'd suddenly stop pairing up for whatever reason? None of the downsides you listed there are solely connected to sex, and wont disappear if sex does. Never mind why you imagine rapists, who rape for assorted messed up reasons, would pinkie swear to stop raping and give asexuality.

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