At what level should education curriculum be decided?

[Rapidblaze]

regionally, but this decision is based on the opinion on the parents and the students (once they are at a rational age to put their ideas in) as well as the education managers

[Vazdania]

Says the person who supports abortion.
In any case, why do say that? States have a better understanding of what their students need to learn.

Irrelevant.

Why on earth do states know better than the feds? One deals with an insular network of neighbouring, culturally homogenous authorities on a national level, the other deals with a network of global, culturally heterogenous authorities on an international level. I know which one I'd trust to teach my kids.

I'd trust neither. But I would first trust my State before the federal government to teach. FURTHERMORE, the states are not "culturally homogeneous" as you'd like to believe.

[Voltzenkrad]

So far, I am not impressed with the education system. At all. They handed us a paper and told us to draw and color in a project that had no relevance to our current topic. Complete waste of time. I started to question the system when I was given the task of answering these questions for Lord of the Flies:

1) if Piggy was a plant, what would he be?
2) if Piggy was a instrument, what would he be?
3) if Piggy was a season, what would he be?

There were about 10 of these questions, all of which had nothing to do with the book. It occurred to me that the teacher didn't give a flying foobar as she just copy,pasted the entire document.

[Post-Keynesian Economics]

Why not have a "minimum" curriculum, the federal government sets a minimum that states' education system must meet. If they don't meet it, then the federal government can intervene and reform it to bring it up to standards. If the state is at or above the minimum, then the federal government doesn't get involved. That way states like Massachusetts and New York that are ahead in education don't get dragged down with the rest of the country.

That's actually incredibly similar to what we have now. The problem is that then states put all their focus on meeting those minimums for every single student, rather than making the majority excel. "No child left behind" effect.

[DesAnges]

Irrelevant.

Why on earth do states know better than the feds? One deals with an insular network of neighbouring, culturally homogenous authorities on a national level, the other deals with a network of global, culturally heterogenous authorities on an international level. I know which one I'd trust to teach my kids.

I'd trust neither. But I would first trust my State before the federal government to teach. FURTHERMORE, the states are not "culturally homogeneous" as you'd like to believe.

You haven't explained why you'd trust the states more, though.

Oh this isn't going to be an "America is BIG and DIVERSE" argument, is it? Because they are entirely useless.

[Blasveck]

Irrelevant.

Why on earth do states know better than the feds? One deals with an insular network of neighbouring, culturally homogenous authorities on a national level, the other deals with a network of global, culturally heterogenous authorities on an international level. I know which one I'd trust to teach my kids.

I'd trust neither. But I would first trust my State before the federal government to teach. FURTHERMORE, the states are not "culturally homogeneous" as you'd like to believe.

They certainly are compared to the feds. You're not going to be exposed to the same kind of global exposure if Idaho was running education than if the feds were. That's not a good thing in an increasingly globalized and culturally heterogenous society.

Again, you don't seem to be thinking about the consequences of having states run education. They won't be properly educated.

[Temujinn]

I'd trust neither. But I would first trust my State before the federal government to teach. FURTHERMORE, the states are not "culturally homogeneous" as you'd like to believe.

They certainly are compared to the feds. You're not going to be exposed to the same kind of global exposure if Idaho was running education than if the feds were. That's not a good thing in an increasingly globalized and culturally heterogenous society.

Again, you don't seem to be thinking about the consequences of having states run education. They won't be properly educated.

Additionally it shouldnt be State governments at all, it should the Academic Community, at the international, national, state(regional), district, school, and class room level. Minimal input from political sources should be given. I dont care what some senator thinks my kids should be learning.

[Greed and Death]

The national government is free to create educational standards, the problem is the national government will have to take over and run the schools then.

An unpopular move and one that would be costly. Like it or not reality currently dictates that education will continue to be local.


As for common core my prediction is it will flop like no child left behind.

[Greed and Death]

They certainly are compared to the feds. You're not going to be exposed to the same kind of global exposure if Idaho was running education than if the feds were. That's not a good thing in an increasingly globalized and culturally heterogenous society.

Again, you don't seem to be thinking about the consequences of having states run education. They won't be properly educated.

Additionally it shouldnt be State governments at all, it should the Academic Community, at the international, national, state(regional), district, school, and class room level. Minimal input from political sources should be given. I dont care what some senator thinks my kids should be learning.

Then that senator will not give you access to state coffers for paying for your kid. I am sure you will enjoy private school.

[Greed and Death]

I'd trust neither. But I would first trust my State before the federal government to teach. FURTHERMORE, the states are not "culturally homogeneous" as you'd like to believe.

They certainly are compared to the feds. You're not going to be exposed to the same kind of global exposure if Idaho was running education than if the feds were. That's not a good thing in an increasingly globalized and culturally heterogenous society.

Again, you don't seem to be thinking about the consequences of having states run education. They won't be properly educated.

Yes because we will fly in urban people to Idaho to ensure cultural diversity.

[Blasveck]

They certainly are compared to the feds. You're not going to be exposed to the same kind of global exposure if Idaho was running education than if the feds were. That's not a good thing in an increasingly globalized and culturally heterogenous society.

Again, you don't seem to be thinking about the consequences of having states run education. They won't be properly educated.

Additionally it shouldnt be State governments at all, it should the Academic Community, at the international, national, state(regional), district, school, and class room level. Minimal input from political sources should be given. I dont care what some senator thinks my kids should be learning.

Ideally, yes, academic organizations should run schools.

Unfortunately, that isn't always feasible.

[Temujinn]

Additionally it shouldnt be State governments at all, it should the Academic Community, at the international, national, state(regional), district, school, and class room level. Minimal input from political sources should be given. I dont care what some senator thinks my kids should be learning.

Then that senator will not give you access to state coffers for paying for your kid. I am sure you will enjoy private school.

Im sure that Senator will enjoy being a single term Junior then.

That being said, this thread is about what we think it should be not how it is, just post a wiki link of your only input is "this is how it is, it aint going to change".
Given the education in my country at least is broken, a change away form the crap it currently is how I think it should be.

[Hindenburgia]

Here's my take on it:
1) international (or, failing that, national) minimum grade-specific goals, like addition/subtraction by kindergarten, multiplication/division by first, etc.
2) regional or local authorities can choose to implement tougher standards, if they wish
3) it's up to the teachers to get the students to reach these levels - if the student is not there, the student does not advance

[The Serbian Empire]

Regional as regional accreditation is required for schools to issue diplomas and not be called a diploma mill in the US. When a country has unitary instead of a federal system then the national level is where it should be done. The problem with national standards is the federalist structure in places like the US. Maybe Federalism is what is defective with the US and other countries with such a system.

[Greed and Death]

Then that senator will not give you access to state coffers for paying for your kid. I am sure you will enjoy private school.

Im sure that Senator will enjoy being a single term Junior then.

That being said, this thread is about what we think it should be not how it is, just post a wiki link of your only input is "this is how it is, it aint going to change".
Given the education in my country at least is broken, a change away form the crap it currently is how I think it should be.

No the voters like him forcing other people's kids to learn creationism.

[Frihetskommunen]

In my opinion this question depends on what age the students are. You can't expect a child to control their own education fully, so there has to be some higher level of decider in that scenario. However, I believe that when a student reaches a certain age (not sure what age exactly, but spontaneously I'd say around the time they're in high school) they should be given as much freedom as they themselves feel they should have in designing their curriculum, with help from their teacher.
Now I'm not an educator or anything, but this is the way that makes the most sense to me.

[Imperializt Russia]

In my opinion this question depends on what age the students are. You can't expect a child to control their own education fully, so there has to be some higher level of decider in that scenario. However, I believe that when a student reaches a certain age (not sure what age exactly, but spontaneously I'd say around the time they're in high school) they should be given as much freedom as they themselves feel they should have in designing their curriculum, with help from their teacher.
Now I'm not an educator or anything, but this is the way that makes the most sense to me.

I disagree wholeheartedly, since that would, in my mind, defeat part of the point of an "education". If you turn it all-elective, they'll cut out things they find "boring" and not give a toss.

[Ethel mermania]

local level, the people who are paying for it should get to decide. in the states it is usually the local (including city) school district.

[Imperializt Russia]

local level, the people who are paying for it should get to decide. in the states it is usually the local (including city) school district.

How can education needs differ between cities?
Or, more correctly, why do they need to?

[Liriena]

National. For the sake of ensuring equal opportunity regardless of the state you live in, the national state should produce a standard national curriculum.

[Ethel mermania]

local level, the people who are paying for it should get to decide. in the states it is usually the local (including city) school district.

How can education needs differ between cities?
Or, more correctly, why do they need to?

a kid in wyoming doesnt need the same skill set as a kid in brooklyn. much more time should be spent on farming and animal safety in wyoming, than in brookly.

also it is unfair for me to dictate my standards on other kids. the people who are most intvested in a kids developement are the local community.

[Frihetskommunen]

In my opinion this question depends on what age the students are. You can't expect a child to control their own education fully, so there has to be some higher level of decider in that scenario. However, I believe that when a student reaches a certain age (not sure what age exactly, but spontaneously I'd say around the time they're in high school) they should be given as much freedom as they themselves feel they should have in designing their curriculum, with help from their teacher.
Now I'm not an educator or anything, but this is the way that makes the most sense to me.

I disagree wholeheartedly, since that would, in my mind, defeat part of the point of an "education". If you turn it all-elective, they'll cut out things they find "boring" and not give a toss.

Some may go down that road, but I think that most would instead study those things that they are genuinely interested in, which would lead to more specialization (and thus more innovation) and less burnouts. If you actually study people’s learning-habits you'll find that most people actively want to learn, and the freedom to learn about what interests them would only foster that. Granted, we may need to change some of our cultural (and maybe even economic) structures to achieve this, but I think it would benefit people the most.

[Blasveck]

How can education needs differ between cities?
Or, more correctly, why do they need to?

a kid in wyoming doesnt need the same skill set as a kid in brooklyn. much more time should be spent on farming and animal safety in wyoming, than in brookly.

also it is unfair for me to dictate my standards on other kids. the people who are most intvested in a kids developement are the local community.

Unless of course the kid in Wyoming doesn't want to learn farming and animal safety. The same concept for the kid in Brooklyn.

[Imperializt Russia]

And a farmboy in Wyoming shouldn't be able to say "fuck this shit" and move to Brooklyn because... What?
You don't like social mobility or equal opportunity?

[Farnhamia]

And a farmboy in Wyoming shouldn't be able to say "fuck this shit" and move to Brooklyn because... What?
You don't like social mobility or equal opportunity?

All this "social mobility" just makes people unhappy with their predestined lot in life. *nods*