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Postby Totally Not Leningrad Union » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:17 pm

The title explains it all, is using genetic engineering on human, plants and animals ethical?

Humans: No, I don't think we should be changing our genetic code and making fake evolution for our own desires, when this happens science has gone too far. It will also remove genes deemed unattractive or useless which is superficial but not part of the greater problem. It's like what happened with potatoes in Ireland, there was only one type of potato and they were all destroyed in a disease that affected that potato and I don't think we're going to become Burbank potatoes without a lot of issues along the way, so let's play it safe and let nature run it's course.

Animals: Same opinion that I do for humans, just a bit relaxed on the subject.

Plants: Go for it, just make sure they're safe.

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Postby Straughn » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:24 pm

Passively or aggressively literally nothing will stop the great experiment.

Nothing. It is the very nature and meaning of existence.

That being said, do i agree with what we've done already? Do i think a stopgap for horrific consequences utilising similar technology is not a good idea?
No.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:25 pm

My only problem would be adding genes that did not exist before the advent of genetic engineering to human beings. That's my arbitrary line, and I'm sticking to it.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:27 pm

I think it would generally be helpful, as it could help eliminate genetic diseases and disabilities, as well as possibly lower cancer rates.
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Postby Zottistan » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:28 pm

I'm all for it for plants, animals and humans.
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Postby Straughn » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:28 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:My only problem would be adding genes that did not exist before the advent of genetic engineering to human beings. That's my arbitrary line, and I'm sticking to it.

You know you would be more commanding and persuasive if your tail weren't vestigal.
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Postby Flaxxony » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:29 pm

Sure but certain things need to be understood first such as the need for genetic diversity because if people just decide they all want to be huge and tall and strong models it could cause a dangerous shift towards homogeneity that could put the human race in danger

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Postby Straughn » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:29 pm

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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:29 pm

Straughn wrote:You know you would be more commanding and persuasive if your tail weren't vestigal.
Just sayin'

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Postby Totally Not Leningrad Union » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:29 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:I think it would generally be helpful, as it could help eliminate genetic diseases and disabilities, as well as possibly lower cancer rates.

I agree, but it just goes too far. Make it like a vaccine, we are not created/evolved to be modified like that and adding it to the human genome could will make people in 3rd world nations without genes like us rich westerners suffer because they do not have the proper genes against these disabilities. It's like smallpox and Native Americans.
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Conserative Morality wrote:
Straughn wrote:You know you would be more commanding and persuasive if your tail weren't vestigal.
Just sayin'

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Postby Allentyr » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:31 pm

I fail to see why ethics should hold us back. Nazis (No, I'm not promoting Nazism as good) got a lot of new technology done because from what I know, they had little concern for such things. We should support genetic sciences more.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:32 pm

One important distinction is the difference between germ line gene therapy and somatic gene therapy. Germ line is fine as it only affects the required cells in one human and won't be passed on to future generations. Somatic is way out of our league as we don't understand what the side affects will be, not to mention the potential for abuse and inherited superiority.
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Postby Blasveck » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:34 pm

We already genetically modify our crops and (if you call it genetic engineering) we selectively breed our livestock.

If the effects are purely beneficial, what would the harm be if said technology was available to everyone?
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Postby Straughn » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:35 pm

Allentyr wrote:I fail to see why ethics should hold us back. Nazis (No, I'm not promoting Nazism as good) got a lot of new technology done because from what I know, they had little concern for such things. We should support genetic sciences more.

There's an understanding in science that there will be a great generalization of appearance and characteristics in the near enough future from all the regional cross-reproduction .... versus isolating specific traits (see : hemophilia) as being important it would be best suiting (as it could be for stomach bacteria and cultures) to have everything homogenized. some study a while back on why Halle Barry is so "attractive" comes to mind ...

Me personally? thinking "turritopsis nutricula - elysium chlorotica-sapiens sapiens".
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Postby Allentyr » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:38 pm

Straughn wrote:
Allentyr wrote:I fail to see why ethics should hold us back. Nazis (No, I'm not promoting Nazism as good) got a lot of new technology done because from what I know, they had little concern for such things. We should support genetic sciences more.

There's an understanding in science that there will be a great generalization of appearance and characteristics in the near enough future from all the regional cross-reproduction .... versus isolating specific traits (see : hemophilia) as being important it would be best suiting (as it could be for stomach bacteria and cultures) to have everything homogenized. some study a while back on why Halle Barry is so "attractive" comes to mind ...

Me personally? thinking "turritopsis nutricula - elysium chlorotica-sapiens sapiens".
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Halle Berry isn't attractive to me :P
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Postby 72o » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:39 pm

If we had the ability to eradicate disabilities and diseases by modifying genetics and didn't do it, that would be unethical in my opinion. I don't see why genetic engineering would be unethical.

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Postby Allentyr » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:41 pm

72o wrote:If we had the ability to eradicate disabilities and diseases by modifying genetics and didn't do it, that would be unethical in my opinion. I don't see why genetic engineering would be unethical.


This. If we could stop the possibility of anyone ever being born with a disability that makes them unable to live a normal life, it'd be cruel to damn those few to such fates.
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Postby Totally Not Leningrad Union » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:42 pm

Blasveck wrote:We already genetically modify our crops and (if you call it genetic engineering) we selectively breed our livestock.

If the effects are purely beneficial, what would the harm be if said technology was available to everyone?

Because someone in a remote African village will totally have access too it.
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Postby Geilinor » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:43 pm

If we can eradicate diseases, we should certainly research human genetic engineering.
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Postby Blasveck » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:44 pm

Totally Not Leningrad Union wrote:
Blasveck wrote:We already genetically modify our crops and (if you call it genetic engineering) we selectively breed our livestock.

If the effects are purely beneficial, what would the harm be if said technology was available to everyone?

Because someone in a remote African village will totally have access too it.

They don't have access to running water or iPhone either. Doesn't stop the First World.

My comment was in relative terms. Genetic engineering should be available to everyone, was the point.
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Postby Yoite » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:44 pm

I'm for genetic engineering in humans, plants, but not animals (with exception for the necessary experimentation).

Research into genetics has the potential to answer many of humanities questions about our own origins, as well as solve many of the problems we face biologically.
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Postby Geilinor » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:44 pm

Totally Not Leningrad Union wrote:
Blasveck wrote:We already genetically modify our crops and (if you call it genetic engineering) we selectively breed our livestock.

If the effects are purely beneficial, what would the harm be if said technology was available to everyone?

Because someone in a remote African village will totally have access too it.

Someone in a remote African village doesn't have access to a computer, but you're still using one.
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Postby Allentyr » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:45 pm

Totally Not Leningrad Union wrote:
Blasveck wrote:We already genetically modify our crops and (if you call it genetic engineering) we selectively breed our livestock.

If the effects are purely beneficial, what would the harm be if said technology was available to everyone?

Because someone in a remote African village will totally have access too it.


As the Tau say, for the greater good! :P
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