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Who is more likely to kill : Mentally Ill or a regular perso

Postby The Supremely Evil Dictators Union » Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:52 am

I am wondering who is more prone to murder: a person suffering from mental illness or a non-mentally ill person?
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Postby Alyakia » Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:53 am

is a person that would kill really mentally fit?

do you mean kill as in murder or kill as in just kill?

what kind of mental illness?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:54 am

Depends on the illness. Depends on the person. Mental disorders aren't something that are easily grouped into one overarching category as far as consequences are concerned.
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Postby The Supremely Evil Dictators Union » Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:54 am

Alyakia wrote:is a person that would kill really mentally fit?

do you mean kill as in murder or kill as in just kill?

what kind of mental illness?


Oh, Bipolar Disorder or Schizophrenia.
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Postby Divair » Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:55 am

Conserative Morality wrote:Depends on the illness. Depends on the person. Mental disorders aren't something that are easily grouped into one overarching category as far as consequences are concerned.

Quite. I'd like to think my dysgraphia has no impact on whether or not I'd kill someone.

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Postby Thafoo » Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:55 am

Let me be the third, fourth or fifth to say that it depends on the mental illness. Not all mentally ill people are bonkers omnicidal maniacs.

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Postby OMGeverynameistaken » Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:56 am

A person suffering delusions that he's surrounded by demons is pretty likely to harm himself or others.

A person with downs syndrome isn't likely to do much harm to anybody.

An otherwise mentally healthy person in dire financial straits is more likely to harm somebody in their effort to stay alive than a happy and satisfied middle class person with a steady income.

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Postby The 93rd Coalition » Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:57 am

Thafoo wrote:Let me be the third, fourth or fifth to say that it depends on the mental illness. Not all mentally ill people are bonkers omnicidal maniacs.


This.

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Postby Congotar » Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:57 am

Thafoo wrote:Let me be the third, fourth or fifth to say that it depends on the mental illness. Not all mentally ill people are bonkers omnicidal maniacs.


I agree with this.
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Postby Thafoo » Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:57 am

The Supremely Evil Dictators Union wrote:
Alyakia wrote:is a person that would kill really mentally fit?

do you mean kill as in murder or kill as in just kill?

what kind of mental illness?


Oh, Bipolar Disorder or Schizophrenia.

Bipolar disorder. Hm.

I highly doubt Conservative Morality here is feeling particularly homicidal right now.

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Postby Der Kaiser Mikey III » Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:59 am

The Supremely Evil Dictators Union wrote:
Alyakia wrote:is a person that would kill really mentally fit?

do you mean kill as in murder or kill as in just kill?

what kind of mental illness?


Oh, Bipolar Disorder or Schizophrenia.

Bipolar perhaps (more likely themselves though), schizophrenia no (considering they often think not than the average human, unless they are paranoid schizo) and regular people-Hell they are pretty Fuckin dumb-the average iq is decreasing.
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Postby Der Kaiser Mikey III » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:00 pm

OMGeverynameistaken wrote:A person suffering delusions that he's surrounded by demons is pretty likely to harm himself or others.

A person with downs syndrome isn't likely to do much harm to anybody.

An otherwise mentally healthy person in dire financial straits is more likely to harm somebody in their effort to stay alive than a happy and satisfied middle class person with a steady income.

So, the answer is "your question is flawed, see me after class."
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:00 pm

If we include the armies of the world, probably mentally healthy individuals.
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Postby Divair » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:01 pm

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The Supremely Evil Dictators Union wrote:
Oh, Bipolar Disorder or Schizophrenia.

Bipolar perhaps (more likely themselves though), schizophrenia no (considering they often think not than the average human, unless they are paranoid schizo) and regular people-Hell they are pretty Fuckin dumb-the average iq is decreasing.

IQ is pseudo-science.

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Postby Der Kaiser Mikey III » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:02 pm

Divair wrote:
Der Kaiser Mikey III wrote:Bipolar perhaps (more likely themselves though), schizophrenia no (considering they often think not than the average human, unless they are paranoid schizo) and regular people-Hell they are pretty Fuckin dumb-the average iq is decreasing.

IQ is pseudo-science.

Well problem solving ability is useless too right? :palm:
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Postby Divair » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:03 pm

Der Kaiser Mikey III wrote:
Divair wrote:IQ is pseudo-science.

Well problem solving ability is useless too right? :palm:

No. IQ is simply a horrible way of measuring it.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:03 pm

Der Kaiser Mikey III wrote:
Divair wrote:IQ is pseudo-science.

Well problem solving ability is useless too right? :palm:

IQ doesn't measure problem solving ability very well.

IQ is only really any use if you use it exclusively on anglo-saxon cultured males with no history of mental illness.
As soon as you broaden it out from there, cultural differences and such warp the results.
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Postby Der Kaiser Mikey III » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:04 pm

Divair wrote:
Der Kaiser Mikey III wrote:Well problem solving ability is useless too right? :palm:

No. IQ is simply a horrible way of measuring it.

Have you taken a real one? Id say the method works quite well in the realm of third dimensional matter
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Postby Divair » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:05 pm

Der Kaiser Mikey III wrote:
Divair wrote:No. IQ is simply a horrible way of measuring it.

Have you taken a real one? Id say the method works quite well in the realm of third dimensional matter

Several, yes. A requirement so that I could obtain accommodation. The scores are ridiculously off. There's a reason IQ means nothing beyond getting into Mensa, which is just a useless circlejerk.
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Postby Der Kaiser Mikey III » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:07 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Der Kaiser Mikey III wrote:Well problem solving ability is useless too right? :palm:

IQ doesn't measure problem solving ability very well.

IQ is only really any use if you use it exclusively on anglo-saxon cultured males with no history of mental illness.
As soon as you broaden it out from there, cultural differences and such warp the results.

I scored 168, im an american with borderline schizo, ocd and temper issues. Often times what we call illnesses are simply evolutionary advantages over the outdated and stagnant humans.
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Postby Yakutikov » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:08 pm

I'm bipolar and Schizophrenic. I came off my meds for a few weeks and had a severe episode and tried to stab myself and 3 of my friends, successfully stabbing one of them in the arm.
I would say, people like me are much more likely to commit murder than a non-ill person.
The difference is, when a person like me commits these acts (Like myself), we don't remember doing it, or we don't know why we did it.
A person who is mentally sound, but has a murderous streak, does it for a purposeful reason.
My brother also has the same illness' and he committed murder and he is in a high security mental facility , he won't be released.
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Postby The Supremely Evil Dictators Union » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:08 pm

Der Kaiser Mikey III wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:IQ doesn't measure problem solving ability very well.

IQ is only really any use if you use it exclusively on anglo-saxon cultured males with no history of mental illness.
As soon as you broaden it out from there, cultural differences and such warp the results.

I scored 168, im an american with borderline schizo, ocd and temper issues. Often times what we call illnesses are simply evolutionary advantages over the outdated and stagnant humans.


I agree. Norms are an evolutionary dead end and we are the cutting edge of evolution.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:08 pm

Der Kaiser Mikey III wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:IQ doesn't measure problem solving ability very well.

IQ is only really any use if you use it exclusively on anglo-saxon cultured males with no history of mental illness.
As soon as you broaden it out from there, cultural differences and such warp the results.

I scored 168, im an american with borderline schizo, ocd and temper issues. Often times what we call illnesses are simply evolutionary advantages over the outdated and stagnant humans.


warped results. And yeh whatever man. I'm a purple unicorn.
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Postby Galloism » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:10 pm

Der Kaiser Mikey III wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:IQ doesn't measure problem solving ability very well.

IQ is only really any use if you use it exclusively on anglo-saxon cultured males with no history of mental illness.
As soon as you broaden it out from there, cultural differences and such warp the results.

I scored 168, im an american with borderline schizo, ocd and temper issues. Often times what we call illnesses are simply evolutionary advantages over the outdated and stagnant humans.

Wait, did you just imply that schizophrenia, OCD, and temper problems is a sign of the next stage in evolution, like you're Wolverine or something?
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Postby The Supremely Evil Dictators Union » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:10 pm

Galloism wrote:
Der Kaiser Mikey III wrote:I scored 168, im an american with borderline schizo, ocd and temper issues. Often times what we call illnesses are simply evolutionary advantages over the outdated and stagnant humans.

Wait, did you just imply that schizophrenia, OCD, and temper problems is a sign of the next stage in evolution, like you're Wolverine or something?


Yes.
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In RL I am not an insane, sociopathic person. My opinions, both political and otherwise, do not concur with my character. I do not justify or think genocide is ever justified.

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