UN to release report on North Korean human rights violations

[Everia]

No. Wrong again.

I don't support going to war to fulfill some pointless idealistic ambitions to "liberate and save the world". What I advocate is for peaceful cooperation around the word, regardless of ideology and political structure, and putting the needs of my country first. The amount of people killed, both civilian and soldiers, infrastructure lost, lives and families ruined forever, in this pointless conflict to "save north korea" absolutely outweighs so so called "pros" of having "liberated" them.

if could do it with minimum casualties, would you?

No.

i mean there's a difference between "i don't think it'd do much" and "we have no right to tell north korea that they can't murder pregnant women with dogs" and one of these is pretty terrible

Interventionism is interventionism and it is bad.

[Alyakia]

if could do it with minimum casualties, would you?

No.

i mean there's a difference between "i don't think it'd do much" and "we have no right to tell north korea that they can't murder pregnant women with dogs" and one of these is pretty terrible

Interventionism is interventionism and it is bad.

i can only wonder whether if your government started exterminating you your mind would change.

[Everia]

No.


Interventionism is interventionism and it is bad.

i can only wonder whether if your government started exterminating you your mind would change.

I haven't done anything to warrant the wrath of the State and I rarely ever criticize it if ever.

I'm pretty sure I would be perfectly safe.

[Democratic Koyro]

No.


Interventionism is interventionism and it is bad.

i can only wonder whether if your government started exterminating you your mind would change.

If Government exterminates you your mind can't change, you're dead. I honestly don't think you thought that question through.

[Alyakia]

i can only wonder whether if your government started exterminating you your mind would change.

I haven't done anything to warrant the wrath of the State and I rarely ever criticize it if ever.

I'm pretty sure I would be perfectly safe.

religion, ethnicity, revolution by your political enemies. i'm not really surprised that you seem to be under the delusion that you would never be in danger though.

i can only wonder whether if your government started exterminating you your mind would change.

If Government exterminates you your mind can't change, you're dead. I honestly don't think you thought that question through.

you'd probably have a few days in the camps to think over your political beliefs. ask the guards to play you some world leader speeches as "no one will save you" sucker punch.

[Everia]

I haven't done anything to warrant the wrath of the State and I rarely ever criticize it if ever.

I'm pretty sure I would be perfectly safe.

religion, ethnicity, revolution by your political enemies. i'm not really surprised that you seem to be under the delusion that you would never be in danger though.

If Government exterminates you your mind can't change, you're dead. I honestly don't think you thought that question through.

you'd probably have a few days in the camps to think over your political beliefs. ask the guards to play you some world leader speeches as "no one will save you" sucker punch.

I seriously did not understand a single word you just said.

[Great Nepal]

So, what you are saying is this massive report goes to prove what we already know about North Korea: it is horrible place. I think we could have concluded that when Kim publicly executed his eighty year old uncle and family...
However invasion would be a disaster. Firstly, Seoul would be glassed causing casualties that modern world has not seen. Secondly, what is the plan with tens of millions brainwashed and starving North Koreans with whoever takes over North Korea? Cost involved to solve the internal situation of North Korean people will be absolutely astronomical. Invasion and subsequent consolidation of power in North Korea is simply infeasible, best solution at the moment is probably to engage in dialogue with Kim even though I doubt that will achieve much.

[Alyakia]

religion, ethnicity, revolution by your political enemies. i'm not really surprised that you seem to be under the delusion that you would never be in danger though.



you'd probably have a few days in the camps to think over your political beliefs. ask the guards to play you some world leader speeches as "no one will save you" sucker punch.

I seriously did not understand a single word you just said.

i'll try and go over it again

you haven't done anything to warrant the wrath of the state is funny because states have historically murdered people for things like religion/ethnicity/other random things. they also change. so the next state could very much not be your friend. there's also the option of someone in your distant family earning the wrath of the state and you and your entire family being killed because of it even if you love the government. like, you know, north korea does.

it's also just like i suspected in that you're perfectly fine in saying this because you think the state wouldn't target you. which is hilarious naive for reasons stated above.

[Everia]

I seriously did not understand a single word you just said.

i'll try and go over it again

you haven't done anything to warrant the wrath of the state is funny because states have historically murdered people for things like religion/ethnicity/other random things. they also change. so the next state could very much not be your friend. there's also the option of someone in your distant family earning the wrath of the state and you and your entire family being killed because of it even if you love the government. like, you know, north korea does.

it's also just like i suspected in that you're perfectly fine in saying this because you think the state wouldn't target you. which is hilarious naive for reasons stated above.

I'm a white, heterosexual male joining the Armed Forces.

I am pretty sure I won't be persecuted by any dictatorship that would happen in my nation.

[Alyakia]

i'll try and go over it again

you haven't done anything to warrant the wrath of the state is funny because states have historically murdered people for things like religion/ethnicity/other random things. they also change. so the next state could very much not be your friend. there's also the option of someone in your distant family earning the wrath of the state and you and your entire family being killed because of it even if you love the government. like, you know, north korea does.

it's also just like i suspected in that you're perfectly fine in saying this because you think the state wouldn't target you. which is hilarious naive for reasons stated above.

I'm a white, heterosexual male joining the Armed Forces.

I am pretty sure I won't be persecuted by any dictatorship that would happen in my nation.

and? where is your family from? what's your religious background? have you looked at most of the dictatorships recently? even the goddamn nazis killed white heterosexual males who were joining the armed forces.

i'm going to assume you're right-wing. please imagine a stalinist government came into power. how do you feel now?

[Great Nepal]

I'm a white, heterosexual male joining the Armed Forces.
I am pretty sure I won't be persecuted by any dictatorship that would happen in my nation.

Right there means you would be persecuted by any and all revolutionary governments originating in the nation because you are their obvious and natural enemy.

[Yorkopolis]

So, basically, even if there's a gigantic genocide or organised politicide going on - as is going on in the best Korea - we should just say "meh let's just let them do that anyway, it's their matter after all"? Really?

Well then, good to know you support leaving people to fetch for themselves when they're set in a totalitarian, dystopian, 1984-alike hellhole out of which escape is literally impossible.

No. Wrong again.

I don't support going to war to fulfill some pointless idealistic ambitions to "liberate and save the world". What I advocate is for peaceful cooperation around the word, regardless of ideology and political structure, and putting the needs of my country first. The amount of people killed, both civilian and soldiers, infrastructure lost, lives and families ruined forever, in this pointless conflict to "save north korea" absolutely outweighs so so called "pros" of having "liberated" them.

And neither do I support going to war all over the world, but hey, let's now pretend that this is WW2 and Nazi Germany is exterminating Jews en-masse and pretty much everybody knows it. Would you still say you support peaceful cooperation even if you knew the country you are cooperating with is exterminating an entire people? Yes, I support peaceful cooperation, too, but if I knew the country I was cooperating with is exterminating an entire people, I sure as hell would do everything in my power to stop them from doing so.

[Everia]

I'm a white, heterosexual male joining the Armed Forces.

I am pretty sure I won't be persecuted by any dictatorship that would happen in my nation.

and? where is your family from? what's your religious background? have you looked at most of the dictatorships recently? even the goddamn nazis killed white heterosexual males who were joining the armed forces.

i'm going to assume you're right-wing. please imagine a stalinist government came into power. how do you feel now?

Well, if they keep the people's welfare and living standards up then I would have no problem really.

[Ganos Lao]

Can't wait to hear what Rodman has to say about this report.

He'll wear it on his shirt:

UN....bite me.

[Yorkopolis]

and? where is your family from? what's your religious background? have you looked at most of the dictatorships recently? even the goddamn nazis killed white heterosexual males who were joining the armed forces.

i'm going to assume you're right-wing. please imagine a stalinist government came into power. how do you feel now?

Well, if they keep the people's welfare and living standards up then I would have no problem really.

Now imagine it being a Nazi government that executes its Jews en-masse but still keeps up "the people's welfare and living standards". Would you still have no problem? If you don't, then you basically don't care about how many people are suffering, as long as you don't.

[Obnoxious Teenagers]

Why don't they release report on South Korean human rights violations, huh???

[Everia]

Well, if they keep the people's welfare and living standards up then I would have no problem really.

Now imagine it being a Nazi government that executes its Jews en-masse but still keeps up "the people's welfare and living standards". Would you still have no problem? If you don't, then you basically don't care about how many people are suffering, as long as you don't.

First there would have to be knowing that they are being executed, which I highly doubt because they would want to keep it a secret. There goes that.

So yes, I wouldn't have a problem because I wouldn't know it was going on.

[Arkinesia]

I'm generally opposed to intervention. The only casus belli I can think of for the DPRK is a direct DPRK invasion of the ROK. Short of that, I flatly oppose any military intervention efforts against the DPRK and would prefer to see a peaceful uniting of Korea.

[Great Nepal]

Why don't they release report on South Korean human rights violations, huh???

Seriously what's up with this?
US is doing horrible things in Guantanamo. South Korea is probably doing horrible things somewhere. China is doing horrible things in Tibet. None of this detracts from the fact that North Korea is doing things that are more horrible than all of these horrible things combined.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

and? where is your family from? what's your religious background? have you looked at most of the dictatorships recently? even the goddamn nazis killed white heterosexual males who were joining the armed forces.

i'm going to assume you're right-wing. please imagine a stalinist government came into power. how do you feel now?

Well, if they keep the people's welfare and living standards up then I would have no problem really.

And you really believe you won't be targeted because you were loyal to the government prior to the revolution?

You CAN most likely be targeted for something as stupid as your hair color if they choose to when a new regime comes to power. There's no way to avoid being persecuted in a ruthless dictatorship if the previous government sheltered people like you from harm.

[Everia]

Well, if they keep the people's welfare and living standards up then I would have no problem really.

And you really believe you won't be targeted because you were loyal to the government prior to the revolution?

You CAN most likely be targeted for something as stupid as your hair color if they choose to when a new regime comes to power. There's no way to avoid being persecuted in a ruthless dictatorship if the previous government sheltered people like you from harm.

Then I'll just get my hair color changed.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And you really believe you won't be targeted because you were loyal to the government prior to the revolution?

You CAN most likely be targeted for something as stupid as your hair color if they choose to when a new regime comes to power. There's no way to avoid being persecuted in a ruthless dictatorship if the previous government sheltered people like you from harm.

Then I'll just get my hair color changed.

How about your skin color? What if a regime led by the Black Panthers comes to power and they begin to round up all white males in the nation?

[Everia]

Then I'll just get my hair color changed.

How about your skin color? What if a regime led by the Black Panthers comes to power and they begin to round up all white males in the nation?

I doubt the black panthers would come to power in my nation.

And we're starting to get off topic now.

[Yorkopolis]

Now imagine it being a Nazi government that executes its Jews en-masse but still keeps up "the people's welfare and living standards". Would you still have no problem? If you don't, then you basically don't care about how many people are suffering, as long as you don't.

First there would have to be knowing that they are being executed, which I highly doubt because they would want to keep it a secret. There goes that.

So yes, I wouldn't have a problem because I wouldn't know it was going on.

It's pretty hard to keep things as genocide a secret for a prolonged time, especially in the modern times that are today. Consider South Sudan, and now North Korea. Hell, even in Nazi Germany it was quite well-known that a genocide was going on. The public was just apathetic to it, but any man who looked further than his own home and town would know that the Nazis were actively exterminating Jews.

Now consider, would you still have no problem if there were rumours - that were true - that the government that you are cooperating with is committing a genocide?

[Luziyca]

The only reason why northern Korea has been using nuclear tests is because it feels threatened by the USA having war games every year with southern Korea, and thus, like a porcupine, it raises its quills out of fear of being attacked. Conditions are bad, but it is made worse by the embargo on the DPRK. Thus, if we have a more relaxed approach to the DPRK and an intelligent approach, we could see their quills would go down, and may be more co-operative to the Western world.