UN to release report on North Korean human rights violations

[The IASM]

North Korea can do what I wants unless it affects us indirectly as we have no reason to intervene in what it is doing and any invasion by South Korean forces will result in massive amounts of civilian deaths as well as billions of damaged infrastructure. Such a war could only be performed by China effectively which will result in North Korea finally being silenced.

[Valica]

A little off-topic, but thanks to this comment, I am going to go play some Civ V.

Haha. What. How are those two related?

It was his comment about the Golden Age ending.

[Magna Libero]

Haha. What. How are those two related?

It was his comment about the Golden Age ending.

Ah. Now I get it.

[Imperium Sidhicum]

And that's pretty much all the UN ever does - release reports.

[Viritica]

And that's pretty much all the UN ever does - release reports.

And then rely on the US to handle it.

[Hladgos]

Well if that wasn't obvious enough. How long did they take to do this report?

Anyway, what are they even going to do now? Nothing probably.

[Everia]

I really don't see why it is the concern of other nations of what goes on inside another. Unless they are invading or bombing you then I see no reason to interfere or mess with the domestic issues of a nation.

all-in-all the DPRK should be left to run its nation how it sees fit and left alone. And shockingly if we actually cooperated with them and not go "SANCTIONSANCTIOSANCTION! DO WHAT WE SAY" there would be progress and benefits for both sides.

[Valica]

I don't see why it is the concern of other nations of what goes on inside another. Unless they are invading or bombing you then I see no reason to interfere or mess with the domestic issues of a nation.

all-in-all the DPRK should be left to run its nation how it sees fit and left alone. And shockingly if we actually cooperated with them and not go "SANCTIONSANCTIOSANCTION! DO WHAT WE SAY" there would be progress and benefits for both sides.

Yeah, let's just let them torture, abuse, kill, starve, and degrade their people.

Oh, wait, we did that once. Remember WWII?

I'm pretty sure leaving them alone doesn't make the problem go away.

[Everia]

I don't see why it is the concern of other nations of what goes on inside another. Unless they are invading or bombing you then I see no reason to interfere or mess with the domestic issues of a nation.

all-in-all the DPRK should be left to run its nation how it sees fit and left alone. And shockingly if we actually cooperated with them and not go "SANCTIONSANCTIOSANCTION! DO WHAT WE SAY" there would be progress and benefits for both sides.

Yeah, let's just let them torture, abuse, kill, starve, and degrade their people.

Oh, wait, we did that once. Remember WWII?

I'm pretty sure leaving them alone doesn't make the problem go away.

I don't believe in the intervention in the affairs of other nations. The world would be a much better place if we simply stopped telling other nations how to run themselves and stop trying to mold the world to what a certain group of people think it should be.

[Alyakia]

Yeah, let's just let them torture, abuse, kill, starve, and degrade their people.

Oh, wait, we did that once. Remember WWII?

I'm pretty sure leaving them alone doesn't make the problem go away.

I don't believe in the intervention in the affairs of other nations. The world would be a much better place if we simply stopped telling other nations how to run themselves and stop trying to mold the world to what a certain group of people think it should be.

i dunno. if we make sure 100% that the "no genocide" and "no concentration camp" guys are the ones doing the molding i don't see the problem

[Everia]

I don't believe in the intervention in the affairs of other nations. The world would be a much better place if we simply stopped telling other nations how to run themselves and stop trying to mold the world to what a certain group of people think it should be.

i dunno. if we make sure 100% that the "no genocide" and "no concentration camp" guys are the ones doing the molding i don't see the problem

They'd still have to invade that nation, causing the unnecessary deaths of many civilians and soldiers, and the destruction of that nations infrastructure all so we can "save them". Madness.

Another part is that you're still making nations conform to what a few people want them to be, not what that nation wants to be. That is what I disagree with. You can't storm into a nation and tell them how to run themselves.

[Alyakia]

i dunno. if we make sure 100% that the "no genocide" and "no concentration camp" guys are the ones doing the molding i don't see the problem

They'd still have to invade that nation, causing the unnecessary deaths of many civilians and soldiers, and the destruction of that nations infrastructure all so we can "save them". Madness.

Another part is that you're still making nations conform to what a few people want them to be, not what that nation wants to be. That is what I disagree with. You can't storm into a nation and tell them how to run themselves.

as opposed to the civilians and no doubt soldiers, who are already dying? surely necessary.

i assure you, if they are "literally pol pot", i can.

[Everia]

They'd still have to invade that nation, causing the unnecessary deaths of many civilians and soldiers, and the destruction of that nations infrastructure all so we can "save them". Madness.

Another part is that you're still making nations conform to what a few people want them to be, not what that nation wants to be. That is what I disagree with. You can't storm into a nation and tell them how to run themselves.

as opposed to the civilians and no doubt soldiers, who are already dying? surely necessary.

i assure you, if they are "literally pol pot", i can.

So if some foreign power were to march into your country, bombing cities and towns, destroying the infrastructure, and killing your fellow citizens and soldiers all in the name of liberation you would be fine with it?

If we are unable to apply it to us, why do we have the "right" to apply it to them.

[Alyakia]

as opposed to the civilians and no doubt soldiers, who are already dying? surely necessary.

i assure you, if they are "literally pol pot", i can.

So if some foreign power were to march into your country, bombing cities and towns, destroying the infrastructure, and killing your fellow citizens and soldiers all in the name of liberation you would be fine with it?

If we are unable to apply it to us, why do we have the "right" to apply it to them.

considering we don't have concentration camps at the moment not really no.

[United Marxist Nations]

So if some foreign power were to march into your country, bombing cities and towns, destroying the infrastructure, and killing your fellow citizens and soldiers all in the name of liberation you would be fine with it?

If we are unable to apply it to us, why do we have the "right" to apply it to them.

considering we don't have concentration camps at the moment not really no.

His point is that you would likely face some sort of fairly large scale nationalist guerrilla war.

[Everia]

considering we don't have concentration camps at the moment not really no.

His point is that you would likely face some sort of fairly large scale nationalist guerrilla war.

That's not my point at all.

My points is that I disagree with the fact that we have some "obligation" to help "save" the world from "tyranny". We do not have an obligation to go around and telling other nations how to go about their business. Peaceful cooperation is much, much preferable to rampant neo-imperialism that only results in more bloodshed then necessary.

But there's also that.

[Alyakia]

His point is that you would likely face some sort of fairly large scale nationalist guerrilla war.

That's not my point at all.

My points is that I disagree with the fact that we have some "obligation" to help "save" the world from "tyranny". We do not have an obligation to go around and telling other nations how to go about their business. Peaceful cooperation is much, much preferable to rampant neo-imperialism that only results in more bloodshed then necessary.

But there's also that.

don't get me wrong i get what you're saying about bombing people not exactly being a good way to help them i just don't buy your "but what right do we have to tell a nation that they cannot exterminate the queers and jews???" line.

[Yorkopolis]

Funny you mention that because it is a report compiled by the U.N.; a more capable body of research than you.

Granted, a "bastion" of toothless authority when it comes to Global Policy, but a better research institute regardless.

Also Kim Jong Il and Kim Jong Un are not saints, we've already known that they violate human rights for years. This is just more evidence against them that's piling up in a big fucking mountain of straws that is wearing the patience and the back of the camel in which they are sitting on.

The UN is a puppet controlled by the Capitalists. It does not do research a much as it makes propaganda.

Yeah, and there is a New World Order and Jewluminati. What's next, space Nazi's?

[Everia]

That's not my point at all.

My points is that I disagree with the fact that we have some "obligation" to help "save" the world from "tyranny". We do not have an obligation to go around and telling other nations how to go about their business. Peaceful cooperation is much, much preferable to rampant neo-imperialism that only results in more bloodshed then necessary.

But there's also that.

don't get me wrong i get what you're saying about bombing people not exactly being a good way to help them i just don't buy your "but what right do we have to tell a nation that they cannot exterminate the queers and jews???" line.

Because the internal affairs of a nation should be of concern to another nation. They should be focusing on how they can better their own nation only.

And where does "kill qu33rs n j00ws" enter in to this?

[Alyakia]

don't get me wrong i get what you're saying about bombing people not exactly being a good way to help them i just don't buy your "but what right do we have to tell a nation that they cannot exterminate the queers and jews???" line.

Because the internal affairs of a nation should be of concern to another nation. They should be focusing on how they can better their own nation only.

And where does "kill qu33rs n j00ws" enter in to this?

you've set up a rather black/white we don't have the right to intervene in the affairs of other nations idea and you seem to confirm it applies to that situation as well. so why not take it to its logical conclusion?

what if the people they start killing are our citizens? :-(

[Yorkopolis]

don't get me wrong i get what you're saying about bombing people not exactly being a good way to help them i just don't buy your "but what right do we have to tell a nation that they cannot exterminate the queers and jews???" line.

Because the internal affairs of a nation should be of concern to another nation. They should be focusing on how they can better their own nation only.

And where does "kill qu33rs n j00ws" enter in to this?

So, basically, even if there's a gigantic genocide or organised politicide going on - as is going on in the best Korea - we should just say "meh let's just let them do that anyway, it's their matter after all"? Really?

Well then, good to know you support leaving people to fetch for themselves when they're set in a totalitarian, dystopian, 1984-alike hellhole out of which escape is literally impossible.

[Everia]

Because the internal affairs of a nation should be of concern to another nation. They should be focusing on how they can better their own nation only.

And where does "kill qu33rs n j00ws" enter in to this?

So, basically, even if there's a gigantic genocide or organised politicide going on - as is going on in the best Korea - we should just say "meh let's just let them do that anyway, it's their matter after all"? Really?

Well then, good to know you support leaving people to fetch for themselves when they're set in a totalitarian, dystopian, 1984-alike hellhole out of which escape is literally impossible.

No. Wrong again.

I don't support going to war to fulfill some pointless idealistic ambitions to "liberate and save the world". What I advocate is for peaceful cooperation around the word, regardless of ideology and political structure, and putting the needs of my country first. The amount of people killed, both civilian and soldiers, infrastructure lost, lives and families ruined forever, in this pointless conflict to "save north korea" absolutely outweighs so so called "pros" of having "liberated" them.

[Alyakia]

So, basically, even if there's a gigantic genocide or organised politicide going on - as is going on in the best Korea - we should just say "meh let's just let them do that anyway, it's their matter after all"? Really?

Well then, good to know you support leaving people to fetch for themselves when they're set in a totalitarian, dystopian, 1984-alike hellhole out of which escape is literally impossible.

No. Wrong again.

I don't support going to war to fulfill some pointless idealistic ambitions to "liberate and save the world". What I advocate is for peaceful cooperation around the word, regardless of ideology and political structure, and putting the needs of my country first. The amount of people killed, both civilian and soldiers, infrastructure lost, lives and families ruined forever, in this pointless conflict to "save north korea" absolutely outweighs so so called "pros" of having "liberated" them.

if could do it with minimum casualties, would you?

i mean there's a difference between "i don't think it'd do much" and "we have no right to tell north korea that they can't murder pregnant women with dogs" and one of these is pretty terrible

[Democratic Koyro]

No. Wrong again.

I don't support going to war to fulfill some pointless idealistic ambitions to "liberate and save the world". What I advocate is for peaceful cooperation around the word, regardless of ideology and political structure, and putting the needs of my country first. The amount of people killed, both civilian and soldiers, infrastructure lost, lives and families ruined forever, in this pointless conflict to "save north korea" absolutely outweighs so so called "pros" of having "liberated" them.

if could do it with minimum casualties, would you?

i mean there's a difference between "i don't think it'd do much" and "we have no right to tell north korea that they can't murder pregnant women with dogs" and one of these is pretty terrible

Imperialism is bad.

[Alyakia]

if could do it with minimum casualties, would you?

i mean there's a difference between "i don't think it'd do much" and "we have no right to tell north korea that they can't murder pregnant women with dogs" and one of these is pretty terrible

Imperialism is bad.

you don't know what imperialism means

western imperialist tells me i cannot put entire family in camp. i laugh.