UN to release report on North Korean human rights violations

[Transhuman Proteus]

So are you disputing the findings of the report? Do you have some grounds upon which to base the refutations?

It is all based on what defectors have said. Anybody in the North Korean criminal underworld knows the West will let you off free if you badmouth North Korea. They could very well be serial killers or drug dealers who escaped to the South to escape justice.

You have some proof of this? And the North Korean criminal underworld eh?

And if so, I admire the dedication these "serial killers or drug dealers" have to the sham, going so far as to have someone abuse them in such a way as to have their bodies bear evidence of torture (and it has to be someone else, since we can tell when such things are self inflicted). Or, you know, maybe it's a case of a something that works like a duck etc being a duck - all the evidence, including eye witness testimony, are N Korea do this sort of thing.

[Valica]

Wars are also extremely expensive. USA is having great economic struggles partially due to their interventionist policies in Afghanistan and Iraq, which might mark an end to the golden age of the Unites States.

A little off-topic, but thanks to this comment, I am going to go play some Civ V.

[Liberaxia]

Oi. "Capitalism" and "socialism"/"communism" are two labels that need to die. I absolutely despise them.

[Yorkopolis]

Oi. "Capitalism" and "socialism"/"communism" are two labels that need to die. I absolutely despise them.

Capitalism, socialism and communism are three types of socio-economic orders. Capitalism is a socio-economic order characterized by private ownership of the means of production - e.g. capital, factories, etc.
Socialism, on the other hand, is a socio-economic order characterized by workers' ownership of said means of production, and communism is a socio-economic order characterized by both workers' ownership of the means of production, the lack of a state, and the lack of currency.

Now, let's get back to le topic at hand.

[Liberaxia]

If we take the word "communist" to mean something like an orientation around industrial workers, then North Korea is not communist. The more I think about it, the more it resembles a tiny little empire that consists of a king who rules over the people in his see but wrestles with his generals over the exercise of power.

[Madenia]

I'm normally a non-interventionist Libertarian. . . but when it comes to North Korea I turn into a pro war Neoconservative. If we went to war with them here in the U.S I would immediately join the service.

Some people call me a hypocrite. . . I call it thinking for myself on a case by case basis.

[Geilinor]

I'm normally a non-interventionist Libertarian. . . but when it comes to North Korea I turn into a pro war Neoconservative. If we went to war with them here in the U.S I would immediately join the service.

Some people call me a hypocrite. . . I call it thinking for myself on a case by case basis.

If any country in the world needs liberation, it's North Korea.

[Arkinesia]

(1) Not completely accurate, it's actually artillery. If it was rockets the problem would already be resolved, just arrange for a construction of an Iron Dome-like system like we did for the Israelis, and boom, strategic invasion deterrence is gone. But unfortunately, it's heavy artillery, so that can't be helped.

'course it can, by the traditional methods of dealing with heavy artillery: reconnaissance, striking first, and destroying surviving artillery as it fires. Even deeply buried guns have to open their bunker doors to say "Hi!", and we don't seem to want for precision-guided weapons.

And all of this assumes the Nork artillery is actually operational and has ammunition. Given how screwed up the country is, I wouldn't take that for granted. I wouldn't discount the threat, but neither would I assume that they have super-abundant resources.

Politically speaking, it's not worth the gamble when one of the world's largest cities is on the line.

[United Marxist Nations]

I'm normally a non-interventionist Libertarian. . . but when it comes to North Korea I turn into a pro war Neoconservative. If we went to war with them here in the U.S I would immediately join the service.

Some people call me a hypocrite. . . I call it thinking for myself on a case by case basis.

If any country in the world needs liberation, it's North Korea.

What about Saudi Arabia, they're probably just as bad, if not worse.

[Costa Fierro]

If any country in the world needs liberation, it's North Korea.

What about Saudi Arabia, they're probably just as bad, if not worse.

Saudi's at least don't throw entire families into concentration camps and starve them. They also have plenty of food and can leave and return to the country at will. You can't even go to a different city in North Korea without a permit from the government.

[United Marxist Nations]

What about Saudi Arabia, they're probably just as bad, if not worse.

Saudi's at least don't throw entire families into concentration camps and starve them. They also have plenty of food and can leave and return to the country at will. You can't even go to a different city in North Korea without a permit from the government.

Crucifixions aren't much better:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion#Saudi_Arabia

[Magna Libero]

Wars are also extremely expensive. USA is having great economic struggles partially due to their interventionist policies in Afghanistan and Iraq, which might mark an end to the golden age of the Unites States.

A little off-topic, but thanks to this comment, I am going to go play some Civ V.

Haha. What. How are those two related?

[72o]

Saudi's at least don't throw entire families into concentration camps and starve them. They also have plenty of food and can leave and return to the country at will. You can't even go to a different city in North Korea without a permit from the government.

Crucifixions aren't much better:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion#Saudi_Arabia

You make the impression of someone who is utterly fucking clueless what's going on in NK.

[United Marxist Nations]

Crucifixions aren't much better:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion#Saudi_Arabia

You make the impression of someone who is utterly fucking clueless what's going on in NK.

North Korea sucks ass, don't get me wrong, but Saudi Arabia isn't much better, if at all.

[Geilinor]

Crucifixions aren't much better:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion#Saudi_Arabia

You make the impression of someone who is utterly fucking clueless what's going on in NK.

What's happening in Saudi Arabia is also terrible, but it would be far easier to depose the moneyless and friendless North Korean government.

[Yorkopolis]

You make the impression of someone who is utterly fucking clueless what's going on in NK.

North Korea sucks ass, don't get me wrong, but Saudi Arabia isn't much better, if at all.

I will agree with you that Saudi Arabia isn't really that much better, but deposing the hated North Korean government is far easier internationally and will anger far less people than trying to depose and occupy the Saudi government. Why? The lands the Saudi government controls are seen by thousands of Muslims around the world as holy land, and it's pretty likely that that'd cause a humongous war. On the other hand, invading, deposing the government, and occupying North Korea would anger a lot less people.

[Costa Fierro]

Saudi's at least don't throw entire families into concentration camps and starve them. They also have plenty of food and can leave and return to the country at will. You can't even go to a different city in North Korea without a permit from the government.

Crucifixions aren't much better:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion#Saudi_Arabia

Neither are death camps.

[Regnum Dominae]

I'm normally a non-interventionist Libertarian. . . but when it comes to North Korea I turn into a pro war Neoconservative. If we went to war with them here in the U.S I would immediately join the service.

Some people call me a hypocrite. . . I call it thinking for myself on a case by case basis.

If any country in the world needs liberation, it's North Korea.

Definitely.

Unfortunately, all that artillery pointed at Seoul makes a liberation rather difficult... :/

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I saw this in the news.

This is like saying "the grass is green" or "the sky is blue" pretty much.

[Empire of Narnia]

I saw this in the news.

This is like saying "the grass is green" or "the sky is blue" pretty much.

It is a lie. North Korea has no human rights violations.

[Regnum Dominae]

I saw this in the news.

This is like saying "the grass is green" or "the sky is blue" pretty much.

It is a lie. North Korea has no human rights violations.

You have got to be kidding me.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I saw this in the news.

This is like saying "the grass is green" or "the sky is blue" pretty much.

It is a lie. North Korea has no human rights violations.

Funny you mention that because it is a report compiled by the U.N.; a more capable body of research than you.

Granted, a "bastion" of toothless authority when it comes to Global Policy, but a better research institute regardless.

Also Kim Jong Il and Kim Jong Un are not saints, we've already known that they violate human rights for years. This is just more evidence against them that's piling up in a big fucking mountain of straws that is wearing the patience and the back of the camel in which they are sitting on.

[Empire of Narnia]

It is a lie. North Korea has no human rights violations.

Funny you mention that because it is a report compiled by the U.N.; a more capable body of research than you.

Granted, a "bastion" of toothless authority when it comes to Global Policy, but a better research institute regardless.

Also Kim Jong Il and Kim Jong Un are not saints, we've already known that they violate human rights for years. This is just more evidence against them that's piling up in a big fucking mountain of straws that is wearing the patience and the back of the camel in which they are sitting on.

The UN is a puppet controlled by the Capitalists. It does not do research a much as it makes propaganda.

[Magna Libero]

Funny you mention that because it is a report compiled by the U.N.; a more capable body of research than you.

Granted, a "bastion" of toothless authority when it comes to Global Policy, but a better research institute regardless.

Also Kim Jong Il and Kim Jong Un are not saints, we've already known that they violate human rights for years. This is just more evidence against them that's piling up in a big fucking mountain of straws that is wearing the patience and the back of the camel in which they are sitting on.

The UN is a puppet controlled by the Capitalists. It does not do research a much as it makes propaganda.

Human rights are propaganda; they are an illusion, right?

[Regnum Dominae]

Funny you mention that because it is a report compiled by the U.N.; a more capable body of research than you.

Granted, a "bastion" of toothless authority when it comes to Global Policy, but a better research institute regardless.

Also Kim Jong Il and Kim Jong Un are not saints, we've already known that they violate human rights for years. This is just more evidence against them that's piling up in a big fucking mountain of straws that is wearing the patience and the back of the camel in which they are sitting on.

The UN is a puppet controlled by the Capitalists. It does not do research a much as it makes propaganda.

Ok whatever... here's something not from the UN:

Official documents authorizing human experimentation smuggled out of Camp 22 and analyzed by a Korea expert who came to the conclusion that the documents are legitimate.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/t ... 440771.stm

I can seriously do this all day.