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Postby Torvalyn » Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:59 pm

Positive: the media sensationalizing of 'benefit tourism' and the like is a load of rubbish. Immigration is good for people, the economy and culture.
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Republic of Greater America
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Postby Republic of Greater America » Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:00 pm

As long as the immigrants are skilled, hard working, pay taxes, and don't commit crime or go on welfare. College educated immigrants should especially be welcomed.

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Postby Othelos » Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:01 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:Immigration from Conservative religious nations is a good thing since it brings positive values to the EU, and refreshes Europe with good new ideas.

Conservative ideas aren't new ideas.
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Postby Chrehonryn » Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:02 pm

It is good and bad.

Good side: You get more workers: ect more production in work.

Bad side: Your citizens jobs get taken over by low paid immigrants, who makes the citizens a bit annoyed and they start protesting.

Neutral side: You make it so immigrants can't take over a citizens job but they can work with them. Making everyone happy and all the racist craps can be kicked out of their country.

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Postby Empire of Narnia » Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:09 pm

Othelos wrote:
Empire of Narnia wrote:Immigration from Conservative religious nations is a good thing since it brings positive values to the EU, and refreshes Europe with good new ideas.

Conservative ideas aren't new ideas.

Conservative Islamic ideas are new to Europe for example the ideas of Sharia law which Europe has never enacted before. Apparently Europe is getting many new immigrants from conservative Muslim countries, and they bring good values to the continent as well as new ideas about how to run a government and courts.

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Postby 72o » Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:14 pm

The problem is the type of immigrants europe gets. The uneducated muslim immigrants are an economic burden. On top of that they bring backward cultures, often don't accept western values and tend to form parallel societies. They don't integrate very well.

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Postby Nova_Ravenna » Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:14 pm

Negative, the continued introduction of non-white immigrants will lead to the eventual extinction of the white race in their home continent of Europe.

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Postby Othelos » Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:15 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:
Othelos wrote:Conservative ideas aren't new ideas.

Conservative Islamic ideas are new to Europe for example the ideas of Sharia law which Europe has never enacted before. Apparently Europe is getting many new immigrants from conservative Muslim countries, and they bring good values to the continent as well as new ideas about how to run a government and courts.

You think bringing the idea of Sharia Law to Europe is a good thing? :eyebrow:

Aren't you Christian?

And explain how Muslim ideals are good values.

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Postby Othelos » Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:16 pm

Nova_Ravenna wrote:Negative, the continued introduction of non-white immigrants will lead to the eventual extinction of the white race in their home continent of Europe.

White people are eventually going to disappear anyway.

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Postby Nova_Ravenna » Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:19 pm

Othelos wrote:
Nova_Ravenna wrote:Negative, the continued introduction of non-white immigrants will lead to the eventual extinction of the white race in their home continent of Europe.

White people are eventually going to disappear anyway.


They will if the current course is upheld, but that itself is not an excuse for genocide.

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Postby Edlichbury » Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:21 pm

Nova_Ravenna wrote:Negative, the continued introduction of non-white immigrants will lead to the eventual extinction of the white race in their home continent of Europe.

It was going to happen anyways: fertility rates in the western world are too low to sustain themselves through births alone.

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Postby Othelos » Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:23 pm

Nova_Ravenna wrote:
Othelos wrote:White people are eventually going to disappear anyway.


They will if the current course is upheld, but that itself is not an excuse for genocide.

Whoa, explain how you're jumping from immigration to genocide.

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Postby Edlichbury » Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:28 pm

Nova_Ravenna wrote:
Othelos wrote:White people are eventually going to disappear anyway.


They will if the current course is upheld, but that itself is not an excuse for genocide.

You have no understanding of genocide.

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Postby Saiwania » Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:31 pm

Othelos wrote:White people are eventually going to disappear anyway.


This is why I am racist.
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Postby Nova_Ravenna » Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:34 pm

Edlichbury wrote:
Nova_Ravenna wrote:
They will if the current course is upheld, but that itself is not an excuse for genocide.

You have no understanding of genocide.


No, it is you who is clueless about genocide.

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Postby Luveria » Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:36 pm

It's more positive than negative.

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Postby Edlichbury » Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:36 pm

Nova_Ravenna wrote:
Edlichbury wrote:You have no understanding of genocide.


No, it is you who is clueless about genocide.

The mingling of whites and non-whites in entirely voluntary manners resulting in offspring that are not perfectly white does not constitute genocide.

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Postby Nova_Ravenna » Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:37 pm

Edlichbury wrote:
Nova_Ravenna wrote:
No, it is you who is clueless about genocide.

The mingling of whites and non-whites in entirely voluntary manners resulting in offspring that are not perfectly white does not constitute genocide.


Forced racial integration where someone who opposes mixed race marriages is socially ostracized as a racist does constitute genocide.

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Postby Volantyz » Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:38 pm

Mostly negative. Once upon a time, people came here escaping from tyranny. These days too many immigrants are mad mullahs who leave tyrannous states not to escape tyranny, but to build tyranny over here.

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Postby Bulgar Rouge » Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:40 pm

From an economic point of view, it's mostly positive. From a cultural point of view, not at all.

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Postby Othelos » Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:40 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Othelos wrote:White people are eventually going to disappear anyway.


This is why I am racist.

Because somehow having light skin is a quality too special and ethereal to exist forever?

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Postby Nova_Ravenna » Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:41 pm

Othelos wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
This is why I am racist.

Because somehow having light skin is a quality too special and ethereal to exist forever?


There is more to race than skin color.

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Postby Edlichbury » Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:41 pm

Nova_Ravenna wrote:
Edlichbury wrote:The mingling of whites and non-whites in entirely voluntary manners resulting in offspring that are not perfectly white does not constitute genocide.


Forced racial integration where someone who opposes mixed race marriages is socially ostracized as a racist does constitute genocide.

There is no force. You don't like mixed-race marriages. You are under no obligation to have one yourself. No one is under any obligation to have a mixed-race marriage. Your belief that mixed-race marriages are bad is in fact racism; your belief that this is forcing racial integration is false.

Unless you can present actual evidence that "whites" are being compelled by the government into mixed-race marriages you have no argument. Even if you could, that still is not genocide. I'd suggest you learn definitions before deciding to broadcast your lamentable ignorance.

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Postby Saiwania » Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:41 pm

Othelos wrote:Because somehow having light skin is a quality too special and ethereal to exist forever?


I'm not going to let my beloved Whites disappear if I can help it.
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Postby Camelza » Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:42 pm

Immigration is a blessing to any nation, if said nation knows how to use it.

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