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What Fascist party do you align with?

Italian Fascist
51
7%
National Socialist
74
11%
Falangist
10
1%
Distributist
4
1%
Ba'athist
9
1%
Platonist
3
0%
Legionarist
7
1%
Corporatist
27
4%
Other
39
6%
Not Fascist
466
68%
 
Total votes : 690

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Postby Benshir » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:31 am

National Socialist Republics of Europe wrote:But remember that Germans didn't want to eliminate other non-Aryan races.

That may be speculative. We'll have no way of conclusively knowing that since yeah, the 3rd Reich crashed and burned. Mein Kampf makes no explicit statement on the matter however, only that "inferior peoples owe superior peoples servitude". That leaves a lot of space for pretty much enslaving everyone the author doesn't categorize as a member of said "master race".
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Postby Themiclesia » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:32 am

National Socialist Republics of Europe wrote:
Blackledge wrote:So... what are the merits of fascism/national socialism?


Saving our own nations from decadence.

Decadence is good for the economy.

If everybody saves and resists buying things, the economy contracts.
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Postby Seaxeland » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:32 am

National Socialist Republics of Europe wrote:
Seaxeland wrote:
No, you're thinking of National Socialism.



Wow, look at all this horseshit. There's so much of it... it's like an endless sea of horseshit!



Americans: fighting against Fascism in WWII and then claiming to be Fascist.


Wow. That has to be the stupidest thing you have said this entire time.

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Postby National Socialist Republics of Europe » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:32 am

No, you're thinking of National Socialism.


National-Socialism is Fascism.
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Postby National Socialist Republics of Europe » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:33 am

Themiclesia wrote:
National Socialist Republics of Europe wrote:
Saving our own nations from decadence.

Decadence is good for the economy.

If everybody saves and resists buying things, the economy contracts.


You're talking about capitalism but Fascism is not capitalist.
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Postby Benshir » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:34 am

National Socialist Republics of Europe wrote:
Themiclesia wrote:Decadence is good for the economy.

If everybody saves and resists buying things, the economy contracts.


You're talking about capitalism but Fascism is not capitalist.

Neither does it abolish capitalism. It merely brings it within the orbit of the state's interests as a whole.
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Postby Themiclesia » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:35 am

National Socialist Republics of Europe wrote:
No, you're thinking of National Socialism.


National-Socialism is Fascism.

It is an incarnation of fascism, as I should put it. Fascism as it is conceived is stateless -- and politicians apply it to the states. Applied to Italy, it stresses the importance of the Italian nation; to Germany, the German nation.
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Postby National Socialist Republics of Europe » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:35 am

Seaxeland wrote:
National Socialist Republics of Europe wrote:

Americans: fighting against Fascism in WWII and then claiming to be Fascist.


Wow. That has to be the stupidest thing you have said this entire time.


What a ridiculous clown you are.

In fact you are American.
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Postby National Socialist Republics of Europe » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:36 am

Benshir wrote:
National Socialist Republics of Europe wrote:
You're talking about capitalism but Fascism is not capitalist.

Neither does it abolish capitalism. It merely brings it within the orbit of the state's interests as a whole.


It's Socialist, although not marxist.
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Postby Themiclesia » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:36 am

National Socialist Republics of Europe wrote:
Themiclesia wrote:Decadence is good for the economy.

If everybody saves and resists buying things, the economy contracts.


You're talking about capitalism but Fascism is not capitalist.

The economy is integral to all nations.
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Postby Seaxeland » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:36 am

National Socialist Republics of Europe wrote:
Seaxeland wrote:
Wow. That has to be the stupidest thing you have said this entire time.


What a ridiculous clown you are.

In fact you are American.


Just cut this "European Nationalist" bullshit already. You're just making yourself look stupid.

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Postby Blackledge » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:36 am

Seaxeland wrote:Fascism is a Patriotic ideology. It's for those who love their country, who desire their country to thrive and prosper, who seek to usher in a new Golden Age for their country. It's conservative in that it seeks to preserve the identity that defines the nation, seeking to protect it's society and culture, to keep them from fading away or being perverted beyond recognition.

A successful Fascist state would be able to wade off foreign influences that threaten the nation's identity, to subdue the crime wave, to preserve a powerful military to protect the nation from those that dare threaten it's existence, and to manufacture a stable economy and inspiring patriotism amongst the populace.

I mean it all sounds good, but what about immigration, multiculturalism, individual liberties, and Taco Bell?
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Postby Benshir » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:37 am

National Socialist Republics of Europe wrote:It's Socialist, although not marxist.

How, exactly? Doesn't Fascism reject social welfare and assert that happiness=/=material wellbeing?
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Postby National Socialist Republics of Europe » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:37 am

Seaxeland wrote:
National Socialist Republics of Europe wrote:
What a ridiculous clown you are.

In fact you are American.


Just cut this "European Nationalist" bullshit already. You're just making yourself look stupid.


You should be aware of the jewish lobby that controls the culture and the media of your country, before claiming that there is not any jewish conspiracy.
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Postby Estado Paulista » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:38 am

National Socialist Republics of Europe wrote:
Seaxeland wrote:
Just cut this "European Nationalist" bullshit already. You're just making yourself look stupid.


You should be aware of the jewish lobby that controls the culture and the media of your country, before claiming that there is not any jewish conspiracy.


Do you even know what "claiming" means?
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Postby Themiclesia » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:38 am

Blackledge wrote:
Seaxeland wrote:Fascism is a Patriotic ideology. It's for those who love their country, who desire their country to thrive and prosper, who seek to usher in a new Golden Age for their country. It's conservative in that it seeks to preserve the identity that defines the nation, seeking to protect it's society and culture, to keep them from fading away or being perverted beyond recognition.

A successful Fascist state would be able to wade off foreign influences that threaten the nation's identity, to subdue the crime wave, to preserve a powerful military to protect the nation from those that dare threaten it's existence, and to manufacture a stable economy and inspiring patriotism amongst the populace.

I mean it all sounds good, but what about immigration, multiculturalism, individual liberties, and Taco Bell?

All that is the expense.
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Postby National Socialist Republics of Europe » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:39 am

Benshir wrote:
National Socialist Republics of Europe wrote:It's Socialist, although not marxist.

How, exactly? Doesn't Fascism reject social welfare and assert that happiness=/=material wellbeing?


No, it doesn't reject social welfare. Its supports nationalisation and collective statal property of the main strategic industries. Private Property is limited to the little local business.
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Postby National Socialist Republics of Europe » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:40 am

Estado Paulista wrote:
National Socialist Republics of Europe wrote:
You should be aware of the jewish lobby that controls the culture and the media of your country, before claiming that there is not any jewish conspiracy.


Do you even know what "claiming" means?


Do you even know what "reading other posts before making stupid useless objections" means?
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Postby Seaxeland » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:40 am

Blackledge wrote:
Seaxeland wrote:Fascism is a Patriotic ideology. It's for those who love their country, who desire their country to thrive and prosper, who seek to usher in a new Golden Age for their country. It's conservative in that it seeks to preserve the identity that defines the nation, seeking to protect it's society and culture, to keep them from fading away or being perverted beyond recognition.

A successful Fascist state would be able to wade off foreign influences that threaten the nation's identity, to subdue the crime wave, to preserve a powerful military to protect the nation from those that dare threaten it's existence, and to manufacture a stable economy and inspiring patriotism amongst the populace.

I mean it all sounds good, but what about immigration, multiculturalism, individual liberties, and Taco Bell?


Immigration would exist, but it would be heavily regulated to prevent overflowing of immigrants and illegal immigrants.
Multiculturalism would exist, to an extent, in nations that are multicultural by definition. Like Russia.
Individual Liberties would be up to the governing body.
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Postby Themiclesia » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:40 am

National Socialist Republics of Europe wrote:
Seaxeland wrote:
Just cut this "European Nationalist" bullshit already. You're just making yourself look stupid.


You should be aware of the jewish lobby that controls the culture and the media of your country, before claiming that there is not any jewish conspiracy.

If this is true, you can have yourself to blame for not lobbying for yourself hard enough.
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Postby Seaxeland » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:42 am

National Socialist Republics of Europe wrote:
Seaxeland wrote:
Just cut this "European Nationalist" bullshit already. You're just making yourself look stupid.


You should be aware of the jewish lobby that controls the culture and the media of your country, before claiming that there is not any jewish conspiracy.


Laughing out loud.

Themiclesia wrote:
Blackledge wrote:I mean it all sounds good, but what about immigration, multiculturalism, individual liberties, and Taco Bell?

All that is the expense.


No, that's your opinion.

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Postby Benshir » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:42 am

National Socialist Republics of Europe wrote:
Benshir wrote:How, exactly? Doesn't Fascism reject social welfare and assert that happiness=/=material wellbeing?


No, it doesn't reject social welfare. Its supports nationalisation and collective statal property of the main strategic industries. Private Property is limited to the little local business.

But it only borrows a few things from socialist theory. It doesn't care about class warfare, and in the Doctrine of Fascism it's stated that this "inequality between men" is actually beneficial. Fascism as asserted by the Duce is most certainly not socialistic in nature. It's populist yes, but it opposes socialism like the plague.
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Postby Themiclesia » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:43 am

Seaxeland wrote:
Themiclesia wrote:All that is the expense.


No, that's your opinion.

Thanks for stating the obvious.
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Postby Seaxeland » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:45 am

Themiclesia wrote:
Seaxeland wrote:


No, that's your opinion.

Thanks for stating the obvious.


Well, if you weren't stating it like it was a universal fact then I wouldn't have stated the obvious.

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Postby National Socialist Republics of Europe » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:46 am

Benshir wrote:
National Socialist Republics of Europe wrote:
No, it doesn't reject social welfare. Its supports nationalisation and collective statal property of the main strategic industries. Private Property is limited to the little local business.

But it only borrows a few things from socialist theory. It doesn't care about class warfare, and in the Doctrine of Fascism it's stated that this "inequality between men" is actually beneficial. Fascism as asserted by the Duce is most certainly not socialistic in nature. It's populist yes, but it opposes socialism like the plague.


In fact I wrote that Fascist Socialism is not Marxist, because it rejects the Class Warfare Theory and radical egalitarianism.
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