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What Fascist party do you align with?

Italian Fascist
51
7%
National Socialist
74
11%
Falangist
10
1%
Distributist
4
1%
Ba'athist
9
1%
Platonist
3
0%
Legionarist
7
1%
Corporatist
27
4%
Other
39
6%
Not Fascist
466
68%
 
Total votes : 690

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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:58 am

National Socialist Republics of Europe wrote:
L Ron Cupboard wrote:
You should go and read the forum rules.


I suggest you to create a Liberal Discussion Thread.


I suggest you read the forum rules.
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Postby Seaxeland » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:06 am

National Socialist Republics of Europe wrote:
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Whelp, thanks for proving to everyone you don't know shit about what you're talking about. I'll just sit back and laugh my ass off at all this garbage you just spewed. I truly feel sorry for people like you, who weren't properly educated on matters such as these.


American Fascists are just like Chinese Europeans.

Trash, trash and trash again. America is trash. Americans are trash people. Also your being "fascist" is a trash being "fascist".

Go back to play baseball and don't talk about matters you don't know.


Stop... please... you're hurting my sides! I just can't... it's all too funny!

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Postby National Socialist Republics of Europe » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:10 am

Seaxeland wrote:
National Socialist Republics of Europe wrote:
American Fascists are just like Chinese Europeans.

Trash, trash and trash again. America is trash. Americans are trash people. Also your being "fascist" is a trash being "fascist".

Go back to play baseball and don't talk about matters you don't know.


Stop... please... you're hurting my sides! I just can't... it's all too funny!


You're not even European. You don't know what Fascism is.

You're just a GOP conservative.
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Postby Blackledge » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:11 am

So... what are the merits of fascism/national socialism?
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Postby Estado Paulista » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:12 am

Blackledge wrote:So... what are the merits of fascism/national socialism?


You get to kill the dissidents.
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Postby Themiclesia » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:13 am

Blackledge wrote:So... what are the merits of fascism/national socialism?

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Postby Estado Paulista » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:13 am

National Socialist Republics of Europe wrote:You're not even European. You don't know what Fascism is.

You're just a GOP conservative.


Considering how you've been using the word 'liberal', I don't think you're European either.
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Postby Seaxeland » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:14 am

National Socialist Republics of Europe wrote:
Seaxeland wrote:
Stop... please... you're hurting my sides! I just can't... it's all too funny!


You're not even European. You don't know what Fascism is.

You're just a GOP conservative.


Oh this is just rich. You think only Europeans can be Fascist... how cute. I just love it when you Euros think you're the best around and everybody else is some simple-minded twat who doesn't know shit. You think being European makes you better than everybody else. That's hilarious.

You make your fellow Europeans look bad, just like how Rednecks & Hillbillies make their fellow Americans look bad.
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Postby Seaxeland » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:14 am

Blackledge wrote:So... what are the merits of fascism/national socialism?


Define "merits".

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Postby Estado Paulista » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:15 am

Seaxeland wrote:
Blackledge wrote:So... what are the merits of fascism/national socialism?


Define "merits".


noun
1.
the quality of being particularly good or worthy, esp. so as to deserve praise or reward.


It wasn't that hard, huh?
Your nation is like a son. What it does right is your merit, as well as what it does wrong is your fault. When you praise it, be lucid and avoid exaggeration. Praising it too much can make it indolent. On the other hand, when you criticize it, be harsh, but do not ridicule it. Do your best to improve it, not through derision or disdain, but through good examples and dedication.

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Postby National Socialist Republics of Europe » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:16 am

Seaxeland wrote:
National Socialist Republics of Europe wrote:
You're not even European. You don't know what Fascism is.

You're just a GOP conservative.


Oh this is just rich. You think only Europeans can be Fascist... how cute. I just love it when you Euros think you're the best around and everybody else is some simple-minded twat who doesn't know shit. You think being European makes you better than everybody else. That's hilarious.

You make your fellow Europeans look bad, just like how Rednecks & Hillbillies make their fellow Americans look bad.


The fact is that Fascism is a European movement and has nothing to do with the american political context.
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Postby National Socialist Republics of Europe » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:17 am

Blackledge wrote:So... what are the merits of fascism/national socialism?


Saving our own nations from decadence.
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Postby Blackledge » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:19 am

Estado Paulista wrote:You get to kill the dissidents.

Ah, but I can chose from any number of authoritarian styles of government for that. What's the meat to F/NS?

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Seaxeland wrote:Define "merits".

Really? Estado Paulista is right, it isn't that hard to define.

National Socialist Republics of Europe wrote:Saving our own nations from decadence.

To what end?
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Postby Seaxeland » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:20 am

Estado Paulista wrote:
Seaxeland wrote:
Define "merits".


noun
1.
the quality of being particularly good or worthy, esp. so as to deserve praise or reward.


It wasn't that hard, huh?


Oh, well in that case, the merits would depend on how well the governing body is. Just like any other ideology.

National Socialist Republics of Europe wrote:
Seaxeland wrote:
Oh this is just rich. You think only Europeans can be Fascist... how cute. I just love it when you Euros think you're the best around and everybody else is some simple-minded twat who doesn't know shit. You think being European makes you better than everybody else. That's hilarious.

You make your fellow Europeans look bad, just like how Rednecks & Hillbillies make their fellow Americans look bad.


The fact is that Fascism is a European movement and has nothing to do with the american political context.


No. Fascism is a political movement aimed at bringing the people of a nation together and to unite them and bring power and greatness to that nation.

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Postby Blackledge » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:21 am

Seaxeland wrote:Oh, well in that case, the merits would depend on how well the governing body is. Just like any other ideology.

That doesn't really answer the question. What are the merits of the ideology? Why adopt it or follow it?
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Postby National Socialist Republics of Europe » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:21 am

Ah, but I can chose from any number of authoritarian styles of government for that. What's the meat to F/NS?


Socialism, Nationalism and, in certain cases, also racial suprematism.
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Postby National Socialist Republics of Europe » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:22 am

No. Fascism is a political movement aimed at bringing the people of a nation together and to unite them and bring power and greatness to that nation.


If you know Fascism you should know that true Fascism has nothing to do with classical conservatism.
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Postby Benshir » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:23 am

National Socialist Republics of Europe wrote:
Ah, but I can chose from any number of authoritarian styles of government for that. What's the meat to F/NS?


Socialism, Natonalism and, in certain cases, also racial suprematism.

Isn't racial supremacism a defining feature of National Socialism though? They one-up the Fascists in the sense that the state isn't the end. For them, the State is only an instrument by which the racial stock and health of a people are safeguarded.
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Postby Estado Paulista » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:24 am

National Socialist Republics of Europe wrote:
No. Fascism is a political movement aimed at bringing the people of a nation together and to unite them and bring power and greatness to that nation.


If you know Fascism you should know that true Fascism has nothing to do with classical conservatism.


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Jesus Christ, son...
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Postby National Socialist Republics of Europe » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:27 am

Benshir wrote:
National Socialist Republics of Europe wrote:
Socialism, Natonalism and, in certain cases, also racial suprematism.

Isn't racial supremacism a defining feature of National Socialism though?


Only for the German National-Socialism.

But remember that Germans didn't want to eliminate other non-Aryan races. Also africans and asian volunters fought for Germany during the WWII. Thei just supported the conservation of their own race, without racial corruptions, but they didn't have any ambitions of extermination of other races.
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Postby Seaxeland » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:27 am

Blackledge wrote:
Seaxeland wrote:Oh, well in that case, the merits would depend on how well the governing body is. Just like any other ideology.

That doesn't really answer the question. What are the merits of the ideology? Why adopt it or follow it?


Fascism is a Patriotic ideology. It's for those who love their country, who desire their country to thrive and prosper, who seek to usher in a new Golden Age for their country. It's conservative in that it seeks to preserve the identity that defines the nation, seeking to protect it's society and culture, to keep them from fading away or being perverted beyond recognition.

A successful Fascist state would be able to wade off foreign influences that threaten the nation's identity, to subdue the crime wave, to preserve a powerful military to protect the nation from those that dare threaten it's existence, and to manufacture a stable economy and inspiring patriotism amongst the populace.

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Postby Seaxeland » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:29 am

National Socialist Republics of Europe wrote:
No. Fascism is a political movement aimed at bringing the people of a nation together and to unite them and bring power and greatness to that nation.


If you know Fascism you should know that true Fascism has nothing to do with classical conservatism.


No, you're thinking of National Socialism.

National Socialist Republics of Europe wrote:
Benshir wrote:Isn't racial supremacism a defining feature of National Socialism though?


Only for the German National-Socialism.

But remember that Germans didn't want to eliminate other non-Aryan races. Also africans and asian volunters fought for Germany during the WWII. Thei just supported the conservation of their own race, without racial corruptions, but they didn't have any ambitions of extermination of other races.


Wow, look at all this horseshit. There's so much of it... it's like an endless sea of horseshit!

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Postby Blasveck » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:30 am

Seaxeland wrote:
Blackledge wrote:That doesn't really answer the question. What are the merits of the ideology? Why adopt it or follow it?


Fascism is a Patriotic ideology. It's for those who love their country, who desire their country to thrive and prosper, who seek to usher in a new Golden Age for their country. It's conservative in that it seeks to preserve the identity that defines the nation, seeking to protect it's society and culture, to keep them from fading away or being perverted beyond recognition.

A successful Fascist state would be able to wade off foreign influences that threaten the nation's identity, to subdue the crime wave, to preserve a powerful military to protect the nation from those that dare threaten it's existence, and to manufacture a stable economy and inspiring patriotism amongst the populace.

Don't forget a dislike of anybody in a minority. Can't forget that.

I mean, when you prosper an 'Us vs Them' mentality, what do you expect?
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Postby National Socialist Republics of Europe » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:30 am

Seaxeland wrote:
National Socialist Republics of Europe wrote:
If you know Fascism you should know that true Fascism has nothing to do with classical conservatism.


No, you're thinking of National Socialism.

National Socialist Republics of Europe wrote:
Only for the German National-Socialism.

But remember that Germans didn't want to eliminate other non-Aryan races. Also africans and asian volunters fought for Germany during the WWII. Thei just supported the conservation of their own race, without racial corruptions, but they didn't have any ambitions of extermination of other races.


Wow, look at all this horseshit. There's so much of it... it's like an endless sea of horseshit!



Americans: fighting against Fascism in WWII and then claiming to be Fascist.
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Postby Seaxeland » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:31 am

Blasveck wrote:
Seaxeland wrote:
Fascism is a Patriotic ideology. It's for those who love their country, who desire their country to thrive and prosper, who seek to usher in a new Golden Age for their country. It's conservative in that it seeks to preserve the identity that defines the nation, seeking to protect it's society and culture, to keep them from fading away or being perverted beyond recognition.

A successful Fascist state would be able to wade off foreign influences that threaten the nation's identity, to subdue the crime wave, to preserve a powerful military to protect the nation from those that dare threaten it's existence, and to manufacture a stable economy and inspiring patriotism amongst the populace.

Don't forget a dislike of anybody in a minority. Can't forget that.

I mean, when you prosper an 'Us vs Them' mentality, what do you expect?


No, that's National Socialism.

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