Facebook allows nonbinary gender identities

[Transhuman Proteus]

I would hope not. If I could.



That's nice. The field is for genders.

If you believe your physical species is something else than human, provide evidence for that claim. Identifying as a species other than human won't make you that species. Maybe you can mention studies backing up your position that a person's species is defined by what they identify as.

Wait... aren't most of these 50+ choices based on what people identify us and not actual biological facts?

Gender identity is more the field of psychology/neurology/society (with some possible biological links, since you know, the brain is biological). Which isn't the same as choice. Transsexualism is a genuine, recognized way of being. So are lots of the terms on the list.

So it depends what you consider a "biological fact". If you mean like "a penis means you're biologically male" then no, they're not. But that's sex, not gender.

[The Holy Therns]

It's still, and I can't believe we have to repeat this, gender and not species.

You'd swear he didn't care about facts or intellectual honesty at all, and was just trying to mock people who are different from him.

Naaaaaaw, could such a good kid really do such a silly thing?

[DrakoLand]

You'd swear he didn't care about facts or intellectual honesty at all, and was just trying to mock people who are different from him.

Naaaaaaw, could such a good kid really do such a silly thing?

Could we stop the personal attacks? I'm just trying to express the voice of a minority here.

[Luveria]

Wait... aren't most of these 50+ choices based on what people identify us and not actual biological facts?

Gender identity is more the field of psychology/neurology/society (with some possible biological links, since you know, the brain is biological). Which isn't the same as choice. Transsexualism is a genuine, recognized way of being. So are lots of the terms on the list.

So it depends what you consider a "biological fact". If you mean like "a penis means you're biologically male" then no, they're not. But that's sex, not gender.

About transexualism being an option, I've noticed there have been people shouting that "transexual" isn't a gender. It has a valid place on the list for FtM and MtF gender abolitionists.

[The Genoese Cromanatum]

I'm offended. I feel like a wolf and identify as one. Why must I be labelled as a human male?

I was unaware wolf had been identified as one of the genders that doesn't fit the male/female binary.

Doubly so as last I heard "wolf" was a species of mammal. Like human is a species of mammel. You know what neither wolf or human are? Genders. But as I said, I might be behind the times - can you like to some sort of official source explaining what being wolf-gendered is?

I don't think you understood what he was getting at. In the disgustingly ever-evolving soup of special-snowflake production that is the site Tumblr, apparently something called trasnethnicity and transpecies became a thing. Whether it's subject to Poe's Law or not, I've no idea.

[DrakoLand]

I was unaware wolf had been identified as one of the genders that doesn't fit the male/female binary.

Doubly so as last I heard "wolf" was a species of mammal. Like human is a species of mammel. You know what neither wolf or human are? Genders. But as I said, I might be behind the times - can you like to some sort of official source explaining what being wolf-gendered is?

I don't think you understood what he was getting at. In the disgustingly ever-evolving soup of special-snowflake production that is the site Tumblr, apparently something called trasnethnicity and transpecies became a thing. Whether it's subject to Poe's Law or not, I've no idea.

This, there are plenty of people who were forced to abandon facebook and go to tumblr cause facebook won't approve of their refusal to identify as humans. If transgender people can get recongition, then why not transspeices do to?

[Transhuman Proteus]

Gender identity is more the field of psychology/neurology/society (with some possible biological links, since you know, the brain is biological). Which isn't the same as choice. Transsexualism is a genuine, recognized way of being. So are lots of the terms on the list.

So it depends what you consider a "biological fact". If you mean like "a penis means you're biologically male" then no, they're not. But that's sex, not gender.

About transexualism being an option, I've noticed there have been people shouting that "transexual" isn't a gender. It has a valid place on the list for FtM and MtF gender abolitionists.

Indeed, I've seen that as well.

[Ayreonia]

Well that's stupid and utterly useless.

What's that, scientifically authoritative body discussing the subect at hand? You're telling me to ignore this random internet poster's unscientific nonsense? Whatever you say, I trust you the most.

Psh, enlightened people like this Nazi don't listen to communists such as the APA.

[Ifreann]

You'd swear he didn't care about facts or intellectual honesty at all, and was just trying to mock people who are different from him.

Naaaaaaw, could such a good kid really do such a silly thing?

A good kid couldn't.

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Naaaaaaw, could such a good kid really do such a silly thing?

Could we stop the personal attacks? I'm just trying to express the voice of a minority here.

Teenaged trolls are hardly a minority on NSG.

[Luveria]

I don't think you understood what he was getting at. In the disgustingly ever-evolving soup of special-snowflake production that is the site Tumblr, apparently something called trasnethnicity and transpecies became a thing. Whether it's subject to Poe's Law or not, I've no idea.

This, there are plenty of people who were forced to abandon facebook and go to tumblr cause facebook won't approve of their refusal to identify as humans. If transgender people can get recongition, then why not transspeices do to?

You may have forgotten, but I've addressed this more than once already.

The field is for genders.

If you believe your physical species is something else than human, provide evidence for that claim. Identifying as a species other than human won't make you that species. Maybe you can mention studies backing up your position that a person's species is defined by what they identify as.

Gender is a social construct people may or may not identify as.

To put it simply, sex doesn't influence gender, but gender influences sex. A person who identifies as a gender will conform their appearance to the expectations for that gender. It's not comparable to identifying as a species or random household objects.

For the most part, a gender is a box with its appearance, gender pronouns, and social expectations.

Are you going to explain how identifying as another species is somehow comparable to identifying with a social construct?

[DrakoLand]

This, there are plenty of people who were forced to abandon facebook and go to tumblr cause facebook won't approve of their refusal to identify as humans. If transgender people can get recongition, then why not transspeices do to?

You may have forgotten, but I've addressed this more than once already.

The field is for genders.

If you believe your physical species is something else than human, provide evidence for that claim. Identifying as a species other than human won't make you that species. Maybe you can mention studies backing up your position that a person's species is defined by what they identify as.

Gender is a social construct people may or may not identify as.

To put it simply, sex doesn't influence gender, but gender influences sex. A person who identifies as a gender will conform their appearance to the expectations for that gender. It's not comparable to identifying as a species or random household objects.

For the most part, a gender is a box with its appearance, gender pronouns, and social expectations.

Are you going to explain how identifying as another species is somehow comparable to identifying with a social construct?

If gender is a biological contrust, then why isn't species?

[Luveria]

You may have forgotten, but I've addressed this more than once already.





Are you going to explain how identifying as another species is somehow comparable to identifying with a social construct?

If gender is a biological contrust, then why isn't species?

You're the only one saying gender is a biological construct. Gender is a concept. Species is something that physically exists. You really don't see the difference between a concept and something physical?

[Dyakovo]

You may have forgotten, but I've addressed this more than once already.





Are you going to explain how identifying as another species is somehow comparable to identifying with a social construct?

If gender is a biological contrust, then why isn't species?

Gender is a societal construct not a biological one.

[Ifreann]

You may have forgotten, but I've addressed this more than once already.





Are you going to explain how identifying as another species is somehow comparable to identifying with a social construct?

If gender is a biological contrust, then why isn't species?

If apples are a fruit then why aren't basketballs?

[Transhuman Proteus]

I was unaware wolf had been identified as one of the genders that doesn't fit the male/female binary.

Doubly so as last I heard "wolf" was a species of mammal. Like human is a species of mammel. You know what neither wolf or human are? Genders. But as I said, I might be behind the times - can you like to some sort of official source explaining what being wolf-gendered is?

I don't think you understood what he was getting at. In the disgustingly ever-evolving soup of special-snowflake production that is the site Tumblr, apparently something called trasnethnicity and transpecies became a thing. Whether it's subject to Poe's Law or not, I've no idea.

Yes, I'm familier with the terms and the ideas behind it.

Still doesn't really have any relevance to a debate about Facebook recognizing genders beyond the binary.

I don't think you understood what he was getting at. In the disgustingly ever-evolving soup of special-snowflake production that is the site Tumblr, apparently something called trasnethnicity and transpecies became a thing. Whether it's subject to Poe's Law or not, I've no idea.

This, there are plenty of people who were forced to abandon facebook and go to tumblr cause facebook won't approve of their refusal to identify as humans. If transgender people can get recongition, then why not transspeices do to?

Because trangenderism and transspeciasm are not similar. If they were, you could theoretically link us to some psychological papers on the subject, oh I don't know, showing us how it is mentally possible to be a wolf in a human's body, the psychological impact of it, how it can be helped (note, a lot of the people I've seen who claim that generally don't act in any way, shape or form like a wolf, they act like humans).

Not that I mind, you think you're a wolf, good for you. But really, the debate here is not comparable to that.

[DrakoLand]

If gender is a biological contrust, then why isn't species?

You're the only one saying gender is a biological construct. Gender is a concept. Species is something that physically exists. You really don't see the difference between a concept and something physical?[/quote

I derped there. Meant to say social instead of biological, and the answer is no. I can't see why species is something that physically exists when gender isn't.

[Luveria]

If gender is a biological contrust, then why isn't species?

If apples are a fruit then why aren't basketballs?

Sometimes they are.

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[Luveria]

I derped there. Meant to say social instead of biological, and the answer is no. I can't see why species is something that physically exists when gender isn't.

Are you going to explain how gender physically exists?

[Ifreann]

If apples are a fruit then why aren't basketballs?

Sometimes they are.

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Ifreann - 0

You may have won this round, but I'll be back!

[Transhuman Proteus]

You may have forgotten, but I've addressed this more than once already.





Are you going to explain how identifying as another species is somehow comparable to identifying with a social construct?

If gender is a biological contrust, then why isn't species?

Social construct. Social.

And did you really just type a question asking "why can't a snail actually be an elephant? And a human actually been a grape fruit in their mind?"

[Ayreonia]

You're the only one saying gender is a biological construct. Gender is a concept. Species is something that physically exists. You really don't see the difference between a concept and something physical?[/quote

I derped there. Meant to say social instead of biological, and the answer is no. I can't see why species is something that physically exists when gender isn't.

Look at a dog. Then look at me. Now look at that dog again.

See?

[DrakoLand]

You're the only one saying gender is a biological construct. Gender is a concept. Species is something that physically exists. You really don't see the difference between a concept and something physical?[/quote

I derped there. Meant to say social instead of biological, and the answer is no. I can't see why species is something that physically exists when gender isn't.

Look at a dog. Then look at me. Now look at that dog again.

See?

No. There is no dog here

[Kassaran]

1. Namely, the lack of acknowledgment of our existence, which prevents us from being referred to by our preferred pronouns, from having our gender listed on official documents, etc.

2. No, it was not.

3. They shouldn't be, outside of medical documentation. Seeing as how outside of medical and sexual contexts, sex is (or at least should be) utterly fucking irrelevant, and gender is all that matters in purely social interactions.

4. Why should we have to choose other? Why shouldn't you cis people have to choose "other"?

To answer this in a generally ignorant and simplistic point of view- because cis is the norm, and thus such forms such as selecting gender usually cater those within that norm, not the other way around.

[DrakoLand]

I derped there. Meant to say social instead of biological, and the answer is no. I can't see why species is something that physically exists when gender isn't.

Are you going to explain how gender physically exists?

That wasn't my point. I just... sincerely don't get it.

[Dumb Ideologies]

You're the only one saying gender is a biological construct. Gender is a concept. Species is something that physically exists. You really don't see the difference between a concept and something physical?

Cut the guy some slack. Rarely has one person been so comprehensively crushed. It's remarkable that what must by now be a micrometre-thin paste is continuing to manage to type.