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Postby Luveria » Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:00 pm

Srboslavija wrote:I'd rather address this with Regnum directly than his team of defense attorneys.


Translation: "I can't admit I was wrong, and I'm unable to address anything said."


You've announced to the entire thread that Regnum is lying about being a conservative. You were very certain it's obvious that he was lying and that it can be easily proved. Now you can't prove it?

Luveria wrote:
Srboslavija wrote:
Lying to win an argument seems a bit facetious. It was even unnecessary because the other dude's argument was pretty weak.


Point out how Regnum lied.


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You do know people can access your post history, can see your sig, etc, lol.


You do know that someone's NSG Senate RPs may not be indicative of their personal politics? You realize there are gay conservatives? Etc etc LOLOL LOLOLOL.

Not so funny when it's put that way is it?

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Postby Srboslavija » Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:02 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
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I don't understand what Regnum did.

Apparently I'm a "liar" for calling myself a conservative.

Because apparently you can't call yourself "conservative" nowadays unless you're a tea party, socially authoritarian gop radical :roll:


Melodramatic, much?

It was a simple observation based on your previous posts in other topics.

But if you want to label yourself as "conservative", that's totally awesome. :hug: I just hope it goes beyond this one instance - in this topic, to help win an argument.
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Postby Transhuman Proteus » Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:09 pm

Orveleca wrote:Couldn't they just have "Man" "Woman" and "Insert Here" with a word box? That would lower the options, and make things simpler.

Just my two bits.


If one had "insert here" with a word box (I assume where a person can type in whatever they wish) wouldn't that increase the options, as people would be able to write whatever they want? So you'd be going from 56 to millions or more options (Gender - Quantum Hedgehog)

But anyway, why is it less simple for having 50+ options? Each of the categories is a defined, known thing. People who identify as them know which applies to them, and wont have a problem picking them out of a list. Facebook isn't asking you and everyone else to trawl a list you don't understand, to find a word you've never heard of to apply to yourself (heck, you don't even need to set gender on facebook, like you don't need to supply any other personal detail to your profile).

You identify as a male or female? There they are. You identify as an Adrogyne or gender fluid? There they are. It's not like you're going to select male and then get confused - "but wait, maybe I'm neutrois, or a trans women, or two spirited... this list has confused me, why can't I just have male, female and other?"

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Zaldakki wrote:Singular they ftw! :bow:


I'd like a word for that so there would only be neutral gender pronouns for everyone.

Until someone comes up with a singular gender neutral word to replace "he" or "she" that isn't "they", I have no choice but to support the extension of genders.


People have come up with such words, they just haven't taken root in the popular consciousness yet (and perhaps the current gen of them wont, but it's a start). They/them doesn't seem so bad though.

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Postby Srboslavija » Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:10 pm

Luveria wrote:
Srboslavija wrote:I'd rather address this with Regnum directly than his team of defense attorneys.


Translation: "I can't admit I was wrong, and I'm unable to address anything said."


Damn, English is my second language but I had no idea it was so bad that I need a translator present. Cheers mate.
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Postby Luveria » Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:14 pm

Srboslavija wrote:
Luveria wrote:
Translation: "I can't admit I was wrong, and I'm unable to address anything said."


Damn, English is my second language but I had no idea it was so bad that I need a translator present. Cheers mate.


You're welcome. English is my second language too, so I know how it is.

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Postby Zaldakki » Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:15 pm

Luveria wrote:
Srboslavija wrote:
Damn, English is my second language but I had no idea it was so bad that I need a translator present. Cheers mate.


You're welcome. English is my second language too, so I know how it is.

What's your first? :)

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Postby Luveria » Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:36 pm

Zaldakki wrote:
Luveria wrote:
You're welcome. English is my second language too, so I know how it is.

What's your first? :)


Polish.

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Postby Linux and the X » Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:40 pm

Seaxeland wrote:
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Sex =/= gender.


What a ridiculous thing to say. There is no difference between the two.

Sadly for you, science says you're wrong.
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Postby Srboslavija » Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:45 pm

Luveria wrote:
Zaldakki wrote:What's your first? :)


Polish.


masz na mysli że można było mówić po polski cały ten czas ? :o
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Postby Srboslavija » Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:51 pm

I'm going to assume that was a terrible Google translation of "Do you mean we could have been speaking Polish this whole time", lol.

Anyways, not to go offtopic any further.
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Postby Libertarian California » Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:52 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
I don't understand what Regnum did.

Apparently I'm a "liar" for calling myself a conservative.

Because apparently you can't call yourself "conservative" nowadays unless you're a tea party, socially authoritarian gop radical :roll:


You're a racist Nazi bigot.
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Postby Libertarian California » Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:53 pm

Luveria wrote:
Zaldakki wrote:What's your first? :)


Polish.


How many Polacks does it take to change a light bulb?

So about them Bielskis. :p
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Postby Snafturi » Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:55 pm

The Time Alliance wrote:
Liriena wrote:I disagree. Some people do not feel that they belong to the binary conception of gender that dominates much of the modern world, and denying them the possibility of accurately expressing their identity is harmful.

That's not what I meant by Un-needed. They have several Things you can choose that mean THE EXACT SAME THING.

What's the point of that. You don't need 5 Gender Options that mean the same thing......

But if you're in there adding things, why not? Sure, most people use male/female woman/man interchangably, but if you have a slight preference, why not have the option of choosing it?

Seriously, you sound the the kind of person who questions why there's 20+ shades of white in the paint section. While there's probably many people that can't tell the difference unless the colors are lined up, for the few that can (or just prefer the name ghost white because they think it sounds cool), it's nice that the choice is there.
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Postby Libertarian California » Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:56 pm

Snafturi wrote:
The Time Alliance wrote:That's not what I meant by Un-needed. They have several Things you can choose that mean THE EXACT SAME THING.

What's the point of that. You don't need 5 Gender Options that mean the same thing......

But if you're in there adding things, why not? Sure, most people use male/female woman/man interchangably, but if you have a slight preference, why not have the option of choosing it?

Seriously, you sound the the kind of person who questions why there's 20+ shades of white in the paint section. While there's probably many people that can't tell the difference unless the colors are lined up, for the few that can (or just prefer the name ghost white because they think it sounds nice), it's nice that the choice is there.


Matte midnight blue and matte ice white are good colors for any muscle car.
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Postby Orham » Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:02 am

This is good, and Facebook should feel good for doing it.

Srboslavija wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:I'm a conservative and I support transgender rights.


You do know people can access your post history, can see your sig, etc, lol.


Since you brought up post histories, here's a little nugget from my own:

viewtopic.php?p=18737505#p18737505

I'm still waiting, damn it.
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Postby Herador » Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:09 am

56? I mean, good for Facebook, and I'm happy that everyone is allowed to express who they are to the fullest, but 56? I need to read up on this stuff more.
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Postby Othelos » Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:12 am

Herador wrote:56? I mean, good for Facebook, and I'm happy that everyone is allowed to express who they are to the fullest, but 56? I need to read up on this stuff more.

Some of them are basically repeats.

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Postby Orham » Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:12 am

Herador wrote:56? I mean, good for Facebook, and I'm happy that everyone is allowed to express who they are to the fullest, but 56? I need to read up on this stuff more.


The number is surprisingly large for me as well. I thought I was "in-the-know" about transgender issues, but apparently I've barely stepped into the shallow end of the pool.
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Postby The Time Alliance » Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:13 am

Othelos wrote:
Herador wrote:56? I mean, good for Facebook, and I'm happy that everyone is allowed to express who they are to the fullest, but 56? I need to read up on this stuff more.

Some of them are basically repeats.

Yep. Repeats which are completely unnecessary.

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Postby Herador » Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:17 am

The Time Alliance wrote:
Othelos wrote:Some of them are basically repeats.

Yep. Repeats which are completely unnecessary.

If someone wants to identify as something that's just a renamed something-else, who are we to argue?
That's not sarcasm.
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Postby Othelos » Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:19 am

The Time Alliance wrote:
Othelos wrote:Some of them are basically repeats.

Yep. Repeats which are completely unnecessary.

More options aren't a bad thing.

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Postby The Time Alliance » Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:22 am

Othelos wrote:
The Time Alliance wrote:Yep. Repeats which are completely unnecessary.

More options aren't a bad thing.

Of course not...but when you give me 7 ways for me to say I'm a non-Transgender male.... that's a bit much.

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Postby Herador » Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:22 am

The Time Alliance wrote:
Othelos wrote:More options aren't a bad thing.

Of course not...but when you give me 7 ways for me to say I'm a non-Transgender male.... that's a bit much.

No, it isn't.
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Postby Grenartia » Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:24 am

Orham wrote:
Herador wrote:56? I mean, good for Facebook, and I'm happy that everyone is allowed to express who they are to the fullest, but 56? I need to read up on this stuff more.


The number is surprisingly large for me as well. I thought I was "in-the-know" about transgender issues, but apparently I've barely stepped into the shallow end of the pool.


Actually, you're probably not as far from the deep end as you might think. Most are basically different words for some of the same things. I redirect you to my poboy/sub sandwich comparison from earlier.
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Postby Grenartia » Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:27 am

The Time Alliance wrote:
Othelos wrote:Some of them are basically repeats.

Yep. Repeats which are completely unnecessary.


Again, no, they're not unnecessary.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=283438&p=18840669&hilit=poboy#p18840669
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