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The Time Alliance
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Postby The Time Alliance » Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:40 pm

Blasveck wrote:
The Time Alliance wrote:Sure there is. It's just most people don't know it. I've given up on calling people offensive. It's life. It's not there to make you happy.

I know we're all ITGs here, but having Facebook include other genders or people asking you to call them by their preferred gender really shouldn't bother you in the slightest unless you deliberately misgender someone for the hell of it.

I'm not bothered.
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Postby Srboslavija » Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:41 pm

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I'm a genderless butterfly. :hug:

:palm:

This "I identify as <insert animal here>" bullshit as an attempt to mock transgender rights has become extremely annoying.


Well, you've completely ignored the follow up posts, but that's nothing new. :palm:

I think the only way we are going to resolve our differences here is via hug.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:42 pm

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Regnum Dominae wrote::palm:

This "I identify as <insert animal here>" bullshit as an attempt to mock transgender rights has become extremely annoying.


Well, you've completely ignored the follow up posts, but that's nothing new. :palm:

I think the only way we are going to resolve our differences here is via hug.

Actually, I read through all the follow up posts. It was the same old thing that we've all heard a thousands times.
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Postby Grenartia » Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:43 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Srboslavija wrote:
I'm a genderless butterfly. :hug:

:palm:

This "I identify as <insert animal here>" bullshit as an attempt to mock transgender rights has become extremely annoying.


Indeed. The dogtoaster argument is really fucking annoying, because of how often we debunk it. It seems like we're having to debunk it every 5 seconds, and by the time we get done, somebody comes in and does it again.
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Postby Mandicoria » Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:44 pm

Good for them..... Still not gonna reactivate my account.
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Postby Srboslavija » Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:52 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Srboslavija wrote:
Well, you've completely ignored the follow up posts, but that's nothing new. :palm:

I think the only way we are going to resolve our differences here is via hug.

Actually, I read through all the follow up posts. It was the same old thing that we've all heard a thousands times.


I'm sorry that you feel this way.

It is your prerogative to assume the butterfly was literal. For me the butterfly represents being "light on the feet", being free in the mind, body and soul - and being genderless removes the restriction to male or female constructs.
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Postby Elmerna » Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:57 pm

The concept of transvestism is a blight upon western society. This leftist idea of multiple-gender personalities is nothing more than a confusion of the mind. No wonder the west is failing, we have those who can't even decide their own gender in power.
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Postby The Time Alliance » Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:57 pm

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The Time Alliance wrote:I was serious when I said I wanted to be Classified as a "Pony" on Facebook. It's not being offensive unless you insult them. What that is is harmless fun. A joke.

You're making fun of the entire concept of gender identity when you do that.

No I'm not.... It's a simple joke. I'm not allowed to have fun? I'm not instituting anyone by having fun. It's not like I'm calling people who Gender Identify idiots. That would be offensive.

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Postby Geilinor » Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:58 pm

Elmerna wrote:The concept of transvestism is a blight upon western society. This leftist idea of multiple-gender personalities is nothing more than a confusion of the mind. No wonder the west is failing, we have those who can't even decide their own gender in power.

1. There's no reason why respecting those with different gender identities can't be a human idea. It's not a leftist idea.
2. The West isn't failing.
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Postby Olivaero » Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:00 pm

Elmerna wrote:The concept of transvestism is a blight upon western society. This leftist idea of multiple-gender personalities is nothing more than a confusion of the mind. No wonder the west is failing, we have those who can't even decide their own gender in power.

Wow. Apparently Leftism now means listening to medical professionals.
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Postby Othelos » Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:03 pm

The Time Alliance wrote:
Othelos wrote:Mocking people for having a different gender identity is just like mocking people for having a different sexual orientation.

It's not funny, it's offensive.

It's true. However Life's Offensive. Not everyone is nice. Get over it.

If you want respect, do the same for others.

Srboslavija wrote:
Othelos wrote:Mocking people for having a different gender identity is just like mocking people for having a different sexual orientation.

It's not funny, it's offensive.


Your persecution complex aside, I'm actually try to illustrate how preposterous the statement that there is "an infinite number of possible genders" really is.

Not mocking any person or group.


Technically there could be a really high number, but I doubt it's so in reality. Most people are somewhere on the spectrum between male and female. The few that aren't are probably just a-gendered.
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Postby Yakutikov » Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:03 pm

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On Gender, below female and male there should be custom, which allows you to enter an option on this list. Worked splendidly for me.

It's apparently not been rolled out in Ireland yet. I won't be using it myself, but it's a good idea nonetheless.


I'm in England and it doesn't work here :/ My cousin in Germany said it's not on his either. I don't think it's reached the EU.
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Postby Elmerna » Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:04 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Elmerna wrote:The concept of transvestism is a blight upon western society. This leftist idea of multiple-gender personalities is nothing more than a confusion of the mind. No wonder the west is failing, we have those who can't even decide their own gender in power.

1. There's no reason why respecting those with different gender identities can't be a human idea. It's not a leftist idea.
2. The West isn't failing.


Those that consider themselves to be of multiple/no genders are confused. Either mentally or sexually, they seek to gain attention through presenting themselves as a unique sect that deserves "rights". The entire concept of multiple-gender people is entirely antithetical to the last 2000 years of European, Christian heritage. I'd rather have Islam to be the main religion of Europe than Atheism.
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Postby Luveria » Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:05 pm

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Elmerna wrote:The concept of transvestism is a blight upon western society.


Crossdressers and trans people are two different things. And no, "transvestitism" is not a blight. It's hawt when done well.

Elmerna wrote:This leftist idea of multiple-gender personalities is nothing more than a confusion of the mind.


Oh really? What about the idea that "male" and "female" are legitimate gender identities and no others are? What makes two social constructs more valid than others? Nothing does.

Elmerna wrote:No wonder the west is failing, we have those who can't even decide their own gender in power.


The West isn't failing. It's more successful than the rest of the world.

Provide sources that people who can't decide their own gender are in power, or stop making up things.

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Postby Liriena » Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:05 pm

Elmerna wrote:The concept of transvestism is a blight upon western society. This leftist idea of multiple-gender personalities is nothing more than a confusion of the mind. No wonder the west is failing, we have those who can't even decide their own gender in power.

Funny how the concept of non-binary gender identities has existed, and continues to exist, in countless non-Western nations. And let's not even delve into how ignorant of the science behind gender identity your assertions are.
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Postby Othelos » Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:06 pm

Elmerna wrote:The concept of transvestism is a blight upon western society.


What do transvestites have to do with this thread? Cross-dressing isn't the topic.

Elmerna wrote:This leftist idea of multiple-gender personalities is nothing more than a confusion of the mind. No wonder the west is failing, we have those who can't even decide their own gender in power.


The west isn't failing.
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Postby Blasveck » Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:07 pm

Elmerna wrote:
Geilinor wrote:1. There's no reason why respecting those with different gender identities can't be a human idea. It's not a leftist idea.
2. The West isn't failing.


Those that consider themselves to be of multiple/no genders are confused. Either mentally or sexually, they seek to gain attention through presenting themselves as a unique sect that deserves "rights". The entire concept of multiple-gender people is entirely antithetical to the last 2000 years of European, Christian heritage. I'd rather have Islam to be the main religion of Europe than Atheism.

I'd normally ask you to prove that, but I'd rather not indulge in the rest of your lunacy, thanks.
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Postby Luveria » Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:07 pm

Elmerna wrote:
Geilinor wrote:1. There's no reason why respecting those with different gender identities can't be a human idea. It's not a leftist idea.
2. The West isn't failing.


Those that consider themselves to be of multiple/no genders are confused. Either mentally or sexually, they seek to gain attention through presenting themselves as a unique sect that deserves "rights".


Oh stop making up things. Do you realize most trans females live in fear and secrecy because of discrimination and a very real risk of violence against them? They keep it secret that they are trans so they can gain attention?

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Postby Liriena » Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:07 pm

Olivaero wrote:
Elmerna wrote:The concept of transvestism is a blight upon western society. This leftist idea of multiple-gender personalities is nothing more than a confusion of the mind. No wonder the west is failing, we have those who can't even decide their own gender in power.

Wow. Apparently Leftism now means listening to medical professionals.

No, you don't understand. Apparently, leftists control the scientific community in every field, from sociology to quantum mechanics, and every single piece of peer reviewed research that comes out of that community is commiejewllumifeminazi propaganda for crossdressing secular fundamentalist muslim gay necrozoopedophiles.
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Postby Geilinor » Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:08 pm

Elmerna wrote:
Geilinor wrote:1. There's no reason why respecting those with different gender identities can't be a human idea. It's not a leftist idea.
2. The West isn't failing.


Those that consider themselves to be of multiple/no genders are confused. Either mentally or sexually, they seek to gain attention through presenting themselves as a unique sect that deserves "rights".

If people like you would agree that all people are entitled to certain basic rights, nobody would need to appeal for their rights.
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Postby Othelos » Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:09 pm

Elmerna wrote:
Geilinor wrote:1. There's no reason why respecting those with different gender identities can't be a human idea. It's not a leftist idea.
2. The West isn't failing.


Those that consider themselves to be of multiple/no genders are confused. Either mentally or sexually, they seek to gain attention through presenting themselves as a unique sect that deserves "rights".


You need a source to back up your claims.

Elmerna wrote:The entire concept of multiple-gender people is entirely antithetical to the last 2000 years of European, Christian heritage.


Not really. Have you heard of Two-Spirit people?

Elmerna wrote:I'd rather have Islam to be the main religion of Europe than Atheism.


Atheism isn't a religion.
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Postby Neutraligon » Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:10 pm

Elmerna wrote:
Geilinor wrote:1. There's no reason why respecting those with different gender identities can't be a human idea. It's not a leftist idea.
2. The West isn't failing.


Those that consider themselves to be of multiple/no genders are confused. Either mentally or sexually, they seek to gain attention through presenting themselves as a unique sect that deserves "rights". The entire concept of multiple-gender people is entirely antithetical to the last 2000 years of European, Christian heritage. I'd rather have Islam to be the main religion of Europe than Atheism.


I would appreciate you not calling me confused. I know very well I have no gender. Considering this is the only place I have actually mentioned it, and I have only mentioned it because I know there are those on this site who will support me, I am also not seeking attention. What the hell does the latter sentence have to do with the former?
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Postby Liriena » Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:10 pm

Othelos wrote:
Elmerna wrote:
Those that consider themselves to be of multiple/no genders are confused. Either mentally or sexually, they seek to gain attention through presenting themselves as a unique sect that deserves "rights".


You need a source to back up your claims.

Elmerna wrote:The entire concept of multiple-gender people is entirely antithetical to the last 2000 years of European, Christian heritage.


Not really. Have you heard of Two-Spirit people?

Elmerna wrote:I'd rather have Islam to be the main religion of Europe than Atheism.


Atheism isn't a religion.

Furthermore, Islam can be remarkably accepting towards transsexual people.
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Postby Srboslavija » Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:10 pm

The Time Alliance wrote:
Geilinor wrote:You're making fun of the entire concept of gender identity when you do that.

No I'm not.... It's a simple joke. I'm not allowed to have fun? I'm not instituting anyone by having fun. It's not like I'm calling people who Gender Identify idiots. That would be offensive.


Fair points.

It's a difficult balancing act on NSG because any perceived divergence from LGBT support is immediately treated as an "attack". It's understandable, but silly nonetheless.
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Postby Luveria » Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:10 pm

Olivaero wrote:
Elmerna wrote:The concept of transvestism is a blight upon western society. This leftist idea of multiple-gender personalities is nothing more than a confusion of the mind. No wonder the west is failing, we have those who can't even decide their own gender in power.

Wow. Apparently Leftism now means listening to medical professionals.


Yeah, it really does. Reality has a leftist slant to it. Homosexuality is known to be as legitimate as heterosexuality, and trans people are given treatments found to help them. You can see why that creates problems for someone opposed to social equality when it's a result of the medical profession advancing.

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