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Garwall
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Postby Garwall » Thu Feb 13, 2014 2:58 pm

Nice. Not that big a deal if you ask me, but progress in any small amount is still progress. Why not just let someone just list theirs voluntarily, and do away with the "pick one of x choices"?
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Postby Magna Libero » Thu Feb 13, 2014 2:58 pm

Okay. Can I choose a fancy gender from a fantasy book, too?

No, for real how does this gender option display? Can I first choose between the most common genders( man and woman), and if I'm dissatisfied I can click for more alternatives? I think it would be more practical this way as man and woman are sugnificantly more common and it would be a waste of time to hassle between 50 different alternatives.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Feb 13, 2014 2:58 pm

The Time Alliance wrote:So wait? I read the list. I have some questions

1. Cis male and Cis Man? Are they not the same thing?
2. Two-Spirit is a gender? What? That's like...Religious are something....

Look the way I see it...There are Male's and Female's. Identify as whichever you want. I don't care but the genders are Male and Female.

I don't think you understand the difference between gender and sex.
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The Time Alliance
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Postby The Time Alliance » Thu Feb 13, 2014 2:59 pm

Liriena wrote:
Gallup wrote:What happened to the good old days of Man, Woman, or Other?

We suddenly realized that being extremely simplistic about something as complex and important to people's identity as gender is kinda lazy, and serves no purpose other than pandering to people who apparently don't want to make the effort to think about there being more than two or three genders.

Really, what's the problem with giving people the chance to express their identity accurately?

Why can't Man and Women be the end of it. I'm reading crap like
Cis Male and Female
Cis Man andWoman
Two-Spirits? Like what the heck are those?

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Postby Shamhnan Insir » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:00 pm

I never realized there were 53 gender identities?
But yay progress!
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Postby Othelos » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:00 pm

The Holy Therns wrote:Your own thoughts, my friends?

I think this is a good thing. People should be able to identify as and be whoever they want.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:00 pm

The Time Alliance wrote:
Liriena wrote:We suddenly realized that being extremely simplistic about something as complex and important to people's identity as gender is kinda lazy, and serves no purpose other than pandering to people who apparently don't want to make the effort to think about there being more than two or three genders.

Really, what's the problem with giving people the chance to express their identity accurately?

Why can't Man and Women be the end of it. I'm reading crap like
Cis Male and Female
Cis Man andWoman
Two-Spirits? Like what the heck are those?


Why can't men just sleep with women, and women with men. I'm reading crap like gay and bisexual. Like what the heck are those?
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Postby The Time Alliance » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:00 pm

Liriena wrote:
The Time Alliance wrote:So wait? I read the list. I have some questions

1. Cis male and Cis Man? Are they not the same thing?
2. Two-Spirit is a gender? What? That's like...Religious are something....

Look the way I see it...There are Male's and Female's. Identify as whichever you want. I don't care but the genders are Male and Female.

I don't think you understand the difference between gender and sex.

Gender is the range of physical, biological, mental and behavioral characteristics pertaining to, and differentiating between, masculinity and femininity.
I get you can be a feminine guy or a Masculine girl but really?
I'm getting Two-Spirits here....

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Postby Liriena » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:00 pm

The Holy Therns wrote:
The Time Alliance wrote:So wait? I read the list. I have some questions

1. Cis male and Cis Man? Are they not the same thing?
2. Two-Spirit is a gender? What? That's like...Religious are something....

Look the way I see it...There are Male's and Female's. Identify as whichever you want. I don't care but the genders are Male and Female.


Thank you, I totally needed your permission.

Liriena wrote:We suddenly realized that being extremely simplistic about something as complex and important to people's identity as gender is kinda lazy, and serves no purpose other than pandering to people who apparently don't want to make the effort to think about there being more than two or three genders.

Really, what's the problem with giving people the chance to express their identity accurately?


But... but... but the good old days!!!

I know, I know... I sure miss the days when I could call anyone with epicanthal folds "Chinese" without people calling me out on my simplism.
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Postby The Time Alliance » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:01 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
The Time Alliance wrote:Why can't Man and Women be the end of it. I'm reading crap like
Cis Male and Female
Cis Man andWoman
Two-Spirits? Like what the heck are those?


Why can't men just sleep with women, and women with men. I'm reading crap like gay and bisexual. Like what the heck are those?

?Please tell me your being sarcastic?

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Postby Othelos » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:02 pm

The Time Alliance wrote:
Liriena wrote:We suddenly realized that being extremely simplistic about something as complex and important to people's identity as gender is kinda lazy, and serves no purpose other than pandering to people who apparently don't want to make the effort to think about there being more than two or three genders.

Really, what's the problem with giving people the chance to express their identity accurately?

Why can't Man and Women be the end of it. I'm reading crap like
Cis Male and Female
Cis Man andWoman


People should be free to identify as whatever they want. Some people don't fit inside the box other people want to put them in.

The Time Alliance wrote:Two-Spirits? Like what the heck are those?

Google it.

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Postby Liriena » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:03 pm

The Time Alliance wrote:
Liriena wrote:We suddenly realized that being extremely simplistic about something as complex and important to people's identity as gender is kinda lazy, and serves no purpose other than pandering to people who apparently don't want to make the effort to think about there being more than two or three genders.

Really, what's the problem with giving people the chance to express their identity accurately?

Why can't Man and Women be the end of it.

Because real life doesn't have to pander to intellectual simplism.

The Time Alliance wrote:Two-Spirits? Like what the heck are those?

"Two-Spirits" are a third gender of sorts in several American Native cultures.
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Political compass stuff:
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Estado Paulista
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Postby Estado Paulista » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:03 pm

Liriena wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:
Thank you, I totally needed your permission.



But... but... but the good old days!!!

I know, I know... I sure miss the days when I could call anyone with epicanthal folds "Chinese Mongoloid" without people calling me out on my simplism knowledge of antrophology and genetics.


Isn't this what Gallup means by "good ol' days"?
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Postby The Holy Therns » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:03 pm

The Time Alliance wrote:
Liriena wrote:We suddenly realized that being extremely simplistic about something as complex and important to people's identity as gender is kinda lazy, and serves no purpose other than pandering to people who apparently don't want to make the effort to think about there being more than two or three genders.

Really, what's the problem with giving people the chance to express their identity accurately?

Why can't Man and Women be the end of it. I'm reading crap like
Cis Male and Female
Cis Man andWoman
Two-Spirits? Like what the heck are those?


In other words "No I don't WANT to alter my frame of reference, why can't others just change their identity to conform to my binary view?"
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Postby Blasveck » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:04 pm

56?
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Postby The Time Alliance » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:04 pm

Othelos wrote:
The Time Alliance wrote:Why can't Man and Women be the end of it. I'm reading crap like
Cis Male and Female
Cis Man andWoman


People should be free to identify as whatever they want. Some people don't fit inside the box other people want to put them in.

Sure let them Identify how they want...But now I'll be seeing hold on..: A bunch of indigenous North Americans who fulfill one of many mixed gender roles in First Nations and Native American tribes.

Two-Spirits is interesting.
A Cis Male is a man whom isn't transgender so...Cis Male, Cis Man and Man are the EXACT same things.....
same with Cis Female, Cis Women and Women.

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Postby Zepplien » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:04 pm

In my honest ignorance, and because the Bing bar on my computer is all the way up there, what do the Cis options mean? Also, what is the point of asterisked ones?

Anyway good to see, more expression=good in my book
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Postby New Nassrau » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:05 pm

I mean, its nice… but some of the options cater to an extremely small minority
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Postby Liriena » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:05 pm

Estado Paulista wrote:
Liriena wrote:I know, I know... I sure miss the days when I could call anyone with epicanthal folds "Chinese Mongoloid" without people calling me out on my simplism knowledge of antrophology and genetics.


Isn't this what Gallup means by "good ol' days"?

Clearly not.
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
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For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Postby Liriena » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:06 pm

New Nassrau wrote:I mean, its nice… but some of the options cater to an extremely small minority

But they're there, which means a lot.
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


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Postby The Genoese Cromanatum » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:06 pm

Finally, my years of being an opressed multinational-transracial ethnically identifying south african zebra pan-dimensional otherkin demigod are over! Never again will I live in shame!

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Postby Agritum » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:06 pm

The Time Alliance wrote:
Othelos wrote:
People should be free to identify as whatever they want. Some people don't fit inside the box other people want to put them in.

Sure let them Identify how they want...But now I'll be seeing hold on..: A bunch of indigenous North Americans who fulfill one of many mixed gender roles in First Nations and Native American tribes.

Two-Spirits is interesting.
A Cis Male is a man whom isn't transgender so...Cis Male, Cis Man and Man are the EXACT same things.....
same with Cis Female, Cis Women and Women.

Man is more....manly?

Plus, one could argue that a young boy would be a male, but not a man, if you use the word "man" to denote adulthood.

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Postby Christmahanikwanzikah » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:06 pm

New Nassrau wrote:I mean, its nice… but some of the options cater to an extremely small minority


I'm sure it took an extremely long time to put all those options in their program.

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Postby Kiruri » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:07 pm

Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:I'm slightly disappointed by the lack of an "It's complicated" option. :P

I'm in serious need of that option :lol:
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Postby Othelos » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:07 pm

Blasveck wrote:56?

Some of them are basically repeats.

The Time Alliance wrote:A Cis Male is a man whom isn't transgender so...Cis Male, Cis Man and Man are the EXACT same things.....
same with Cis Female, Cis Women and Women.

Cis Male and cis man are basically repeats, yeah. But 'man' can cover cis males and transgender males.

There are a lot of options, because there are a lot of ways people can identify.

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