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Posted: **Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:22 pm**

Gallup wrote:I propose we make one gender: "Gender"

*Nods* Yes. I like this..

Posted: **Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:23 pm**

Susria wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:
But what about the good old daaaaaaaaaaaays

You mean the same good old days that believed in other past irrelevant beliefs that we have dismissed for newer ones? Because in the good old days they thought the Earth was flat, everything was created by god, and that the best way of organizing a mass means of agriculture meant planned famines. Seems pretty progressive and modern, right?

...I'm going to assume you're aware I was joking.

Posted: **Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:23 pm**

The Time Alliance wrote:
Othelos wrote:I'm so sorry you have to deal with the pain of having more options for what to identify as.

But what If I don't indentify as them? Must I be the oppressed other? It's not fair...Now Facebook has to make it fair for me too. Even though I'm not even a small portion of Society. My rights are still there right?

Feel free to contact Facebook and let them know of what they missed.

Posted: **Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:25 pm**

Othelos wrote:
The Time Alliance wrote:But what If I don't indentify as them? Must I be the oppressed other? It's not fair...Now Facebook has to make it fair for me too. Even though I'm not even a small portion of Society. My rights are still there right?

Feel free to contact Facebook and let them know of what they missed.

Yep. Let's see....Any Genders you want me to tell them about so you minorities aren't oppressed? I'll Propose that One gender thing while I'm at it Gallup.

Posted: **Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:26 pm**

The Holy Therns wrote:
Susria wrote:
You mean the same good old days that believed in other past irrelevant beliefs that we have dismissed for newer ones? Because in the good old days they thought the Earth was flat, everything was created by god, and that the best way of organizing a mass means of agriculture meant planned famines. Seems pretty progressive and modern, right?

...I'm going to assume you're aware I was joking.

I assumed wrong and I'm sorry.

Posted: **Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:27 pm**

If they're going to offer needlessly redundant choices, they could at least offer "guy", "dude", "chap", "fellow", and "bloke" as alternatives for "man".

Posted: **Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:28 pm**

Good for Facebook, I guess...

Posted: **Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:29 pm**

The Two Jerseys wrote:If they're going to offer needlessly redundant choices, they could at least offer "guy", "dude", "chap", "fellow", and "bloke" as alternatives for "man".

I know right?

Posted: **Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:30 pm**

Okay, this is good, but this is kind of going over the top.

"Gender-questioning"? Why couldn't they just give you the option to change your gender?

Posted: **Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:41 pm**

Fifty bucks to anyone who can name all 56 without looking at the list

Posted: **Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:41 pm**

Srboslavija wrote:Fifty bucks to anyone who can name all 56 without looking at the list

Everyone's just going to copy the list now...And say they named them all...

Posted: **Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:50 pm**

The Holy Therns wrote:http://blog.al.com/breaking/2014/02/heres_a_list_of_facebooks_new.html

So briefly, Facebook now allows 56 different gender identities rather than simply "man" and "woman" - and kindly asks for clarification regarding pronouns when you choose. In my opinion, considering the role Facebook now has in pop cultural consensus, this is excellent news and a great step forward.

Your own thoughts, my friends?

I like this. Its a good step forward. They still need to make alterations to the 'relationships' and 'interested in' options, but this is still a good thing.

The Holy Therns wrote:
Vorkova wrote:I just checked my own Facebook and there's nothing new there?

On Gender, below female and male there should be custom, which allows you to enter an option on this list. Worked splendidly for me.

IIRC, you have to be using the US English language option.

The Genoese Cromanatum wrote:Finally, my years of being an opressed multinational-transracial ethnically identifying south african zebra pan-dimensional otherkin demigod are over! Never again will I live in shame!

HOLY NON-EXISTENT DOGTOASTERS, BATMAN!

Domenic and friends wrote:
Othelos wrote:How is more freedom for the individual stupid?

It's either your a man or a woman. Keep it like that.

Nope. I refused to be shoved into your shitty gender binary.

Solaray wrote:And here I thought there were only something like 5 different identities. Turns out there's 56.

The more you know...

Most of them are probably different ways of saying the same thing, kind of like how "GOP" and "US Republican" would be the same thing.

The Time Alliance wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Unless, of course, you're not. Gender and biological sex are not the same thing.

How are you not Man or Women?

I mean I get Gender and biological sex are different? But....

Its hard to explain to cisgender people.

The Time Alliance wrote:
Liriena wrote:I disagree. Some people do not feel that they belong to the binary conception of gender that dominates much of the modern world, and denying them the possibility of accurately expressing their identity is harmful.

That's not what I meant by Un-needed. They have several Things you can choose that mean THE EXACT SAME THING.

What's the point of that. You don't need 5 Gender Options that mean the same thing......

Some people don't know what some labels mean, but do understand others.

For instance, a poboy in New Orleans is what many people outside New Orleans would call a sub sandwich, or a hero, or something like that. Does it not help people to give multiple labels for the same thing in case they don't understand the one label you'd have given otherwise?

The Glorious Eternal Revolution Land wrote:There are two genders, not 56, at least for humans. Biological fact.

Gender is a matter of psychology, not biology. And there's more than two.

Scientific fact.

Gallup wrote:
New Frenco Empire wrote:
Family values and other useless shit. You know the drill.

Way to dismiss someone without considering it.

What's there to dismiss?

Also, I find it ironic and an act of appropriation that conservatives have hijacked "family values" in order to hind behind bigotry, when nearly every major family value in American culture would express support for people regardless of sexual orientation and/or gender identity.

Posted: **Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:52 pm**

Had a squizz at ye olde' HuffPost user comments, apparently the new additions are not good enough.

Better but still kinda cissexist & binarist, insofar as it still has male and female as "default" genders and anything else is a deviation from that. And also cis/trans* status has been tagged onto gender rather than being put as a separate field (which is problematic because whether you're cis or trans* doesn't actually effect your gender or the way in which you are that gender, it's a socially constructed relationship between your gender and your assigned sex). And you still have to pick your gender from a list ANYWAY, it's just a bigger list (which is problematic because gender being defined by the individual, it's impossible to have an exhaustive list of all possible genders)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/13/facebook-gender_n_4782477.html

Posted: **Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:53 pm**

Grenartia wrote:IIRC, you have to be using the US English language option.

How absolutely heretical.

Posted: **Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:53 pm**

Srboslavija wrote:Had a squizz at ye olde' HuffPost user comments, apparently the new additions are not good enough.

Better but still kinda cissexist & binarist, insofar as it still has male and female as "default" genders and anything else is a deviation from that. And also cis/trans* status has been tagged onto gender rather than being put as a separate field (which is problematic because whether you're cis or trans* doesn't actually effect your gender or the way in which you are that gender, it's a socially constructed relationship between your gender and your assigned sex). And you still have to pick your gender from a list ANYWAY, it's just a bigger list (which is problematic because gender being defined by the individual, it's impossible to have an exhaustive list of all possible genders)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/13/facebook-gender_n_4782477.html

OH MY GOD! You people can complain about anything.....

Posted: **Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:57 pm**

The Time Alliance wrote:
Othelos wrote:Feel free to contact Facebook and let them know of what they missed.

Yep. Let's see....Any Genders you want me to tell them about so you minorities aren't oppressed? I'll Propose that One gender thing while I'm at it Gallup.

What exactly is your issue with people identifying as something besides male or female?

Posted: **Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:59 pm**

Othelos wrote:
The Time Alliance wrote:Yep. Let's see....Any Genders you want me to tell them about so you minorities aren't oppressed? I'll Propose that One gender thing while I'm at it Gallup.

What exactly is your issue with people identifying as something besides male or female?

I don't....My Issue is Placing stuff that only like 100 People are going to click...AND THEN Putting FIVE different options for that.

Edit: Plus as a Mormon we believe that God created Men and Women...not All this other stuff. I'll let Two-Spirit Slide though as it is religious/cultural and I can't argue with another groups religious/Cultural beliefs

Posted: **Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:03 pm**

The Time Alliance wrote:
Othelos wrote:What exactly is your issue with people identifying as something besides male or female?

I don't....My Issue is Placing stuff that only like 100 People are going to click...AND THEN Putting FIVE different options for that.

So? You didn't have to do anything to create it, and you don't have to go through the entire list to figure out what to identify as.

The Time Alliance wrote:Edit: Plus as a Mormon we believe that God created Men and Women...not All this other stuff. I'll let Two-Spirit Slide though as it is religious/cultural and I can't argue with another groups religious/Cultural beliefs

Even if God created men/women, there's no reason to deny people who identify as a different gender, because they exist.

Also, gender is socially constructed, so God doesn't enter into it.

Posted: **Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:06 pm**

Good.

Posted: **Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:19 pm**

Christ alive, I have no clue what half those mean. I suppose it's a good option to have for those people who do, though (and identify as one/some of them).

Posted: **Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:21 pm**

The Time Alliance wrote:
Srboslavija wrote:Had a squizz at ye olde' HuffPost user comments, apparently the new additions are not good enough.

OH MY GOD! You people can complain about anything.....

What do you mean "you people"?

Also, yeah, people complain. About anything and everything, such as you complaining about people complaining. Pot, meet kettle. And since you live in a glass house, try not to throw stones.

The Time Alliance wrote:
Othelos wrote:What exactly is your issue with people identifying as something besides male or female?

I don't....My Issue is Placing stuff that only like 100 People are going to click...AND THEN Putting FIVE different options for that.

Edit: Plus as a Mormon we believe that God created Men and Women...not All this other stuff. I'll let Two-Spirit Slide though as it is religious/cultural and I can't argue with another groups religious/Cultural beliefs

And who's to say that God didn't create people of other genders as well?

The Joseon Dynasty wrote:Christ alive, I have no clue what half those mean. I suppose it's a good option to have for those people who do, though (and identify as one/some of them).

As has been said above, most of them are just different labels for the same things.

Posted: **Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:28 pm**

A lot of them appear to be more or less saying the same thing, though this certainly is a welcome improvement.

Posted: **Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:30 pm**

The Time Alliance wrote:So wait? I read the list. I have some questions

1. Cis male and Cis Man? Are they not the same thing?
2. Two-Spirit is a gender? What? That's like...Religious are something....

Look the way I see it...There are Male's and Female's. Identify as whichever you want. I don't care but the genders are Male and Female.

The fact that there are supposed adults who care about gender terrifies me.

I feel like I'm living in a society full of oversized children.

Posted: **Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:31 pm**

Threlizdun wrote:A lot of them appear to be more or less saying the same thing,

Which, again, isn't necessarily a bad thing, since it makes somebody more likely to understand at least one label for a given gender (or lack thereof). Again, I draw reference to the poboy/sub sandwich comparison I made earlier.

Posted: **Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:32 pm**

Arkinesia wrote:
The Time Alliance wrote:So wait? I read the list. I have some questions

1. Cis male and Cis Man? Are they not the same thing?
2. Two-Spirit is a gender? What? That's like...Religious are something....

Look the way I see it...There are Male's and Female's. Identify as whichever you want. I don't care but the genders are Male and Female.

The fact that there are supposed adults who care about gender terrifies me.

I feel like I'm living in a society full of oversized children.

The fact that people think that gender is only for children terrifies me.

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