Should we be siding with the Soviets or the Nazis? [1935]

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Russia is stronger, and while some of Herr Hitler's ideas may be strange, I don't see how they are that different than Mr. Roosevelt's. I would also like to denounce half the people on this thread as soviet spies. The Reds must be stopped!

Well, how about the fact that Hitler's policies are openly racist and anti-Semitic, while the Soviets are working to ensure brotherhood among all workers, regardless of race?

[Granadeseret]

Russia is stronger, and while some of Herr Hitler's ideas may be strange, I don't see how they are that different than Mr. Roosevelt's. I would also like to denounce half the people on this thread as soviet spies. The Reds must be stopped!

Well, how about the fact that Hitler's policies are openly racist and anti-Semitic, while the Soviets are working to ensure brotherhood among all workers, regardless of race?

... racist? anti-semitic? That dosen't sound so different then most of the most successful and upstanding citizens in The United States. As for the Soviets, their style is rudely against everything The United States stands for; Freedom of Worship (Their enforced atheism, shutting down of temples, and sending religious leaders to Siberia?) Freedom of Speech (Killing all who disagree) Freedom of Trade (Their system stifles all healthy competition, and forces upon men their professions even if they would prefer others) and many other keystone values, and has been leveeing strong rhetoric against our government since their formation. The Germans, on the other hand, have only strong friendships with many of our most successful and admirable captains of industry and and upstanding organizations.

[Mkuki]

Russia is stronger, and while some of Herr Hitler's ideas may be strange, I don't see how they are that different than Mr. Roosevelt's. I would also like to denounce half the people on this thread as soviet spies. The Reds must be stopped!

Well, how about the fact that Hitler's policies are openly racist and anti-Semitic, while the Soviets are working to ensure brotherhood among all workers, regardless of race?

What policies?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Well, how about the fact that Hitler's policies are openly racist and anti-Semitic, while the Soviets are working to ensure brotherhood among all workers, regardless of race?

... racist? anti-semitic? That dosen't sound so different then most of the most successful and upstanding citizens in The United States. As for the Soviets, their style is rudely against everything The United States stands for; Freedom of Worship (Their enforced atheism, shutting down of temples, and sending religious leaders to Siberia?) Freedom of Speech (Killing all who disagree) Freedom of Trade (Their system stifles all healthy competition, and forces upon men their professions even if they would prefer others) and many other keystone values, and has been leveeing strong rhetoric against our government since their formation. The Germans, on the other hand, have only strong friendships with many of our most successful and admirable captains of industry and and upstanding organizations.

These successful citizens are some of the worst exploiters.

Freedom of worship is guaranteed under the Soviets. However, the Orthodox Church no longer has special privileges bestowed by the state. The religious leaders to whom you refer have been exploiting the Russian people since time immemorial.

The rest of your post shows that you have absolutely no understanding of Communist theory. I recommend reading Das Kapital and The Communist Manifesto.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Well, how about the fact that Hitler's policies are openly racist and anti-Semitic, while the Soviets are working to ensure brotherhood among all workers, regardless of race?

What policies?

See for yourself.

[2014]Obviously only refers to the ones listed as being passed between 1933-1935.[/2014]

EDIT: Forgot the link.

[Mkuki]

What policies?

See for yourself.

[2014]Obviously only refers to the ones listed as being passed between 1933-1935.[/2014]

I'd prefer that you provide some examples.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

See for yourself.

[2014]Obviously only refers to the ones listed as being passed between 1933-1935.[/2014]

I'd prefer that you provide some examples.

(My apologies, forgot to include the link. My fault entirely. Edited to correct that.)

[Shaggai]

Well, how about the fact that Hitler's policies are openly racist and anti-Semitic, while the Soviets are working to ensure brotherhood among all workers, regardless of race?

... racist? anti-semitic? That dosen't sound so different then most of the most successful and upstanding citizens in The United States. As for the Soviets, their style is rudely against everything The United States stands for; Freedom of Worship (Their enforced atheism, shutting down of temples, and sending religious leaders to Siberia?) Freedom of Speech (Killing all who disagree) Freedom of Trade (Their system stifles all healthy competition, and forces upon men their professions even if they would prefer others) and many other keystone values, and has been leveeing strong rhetoric against our government since their formation. The Germans, on the other hand, have only strong friendships with many of our most successful and admirable captains of industry and and upstanding organizations.

Hitler is bound to start another war. While his politics are mostly better than the Soviets', his idea of "Lebensraum" is impossible right now. Once the tensions of the Great War finally end, it will be viable. But not yet.

[The Republic of Lanos]

"Why aren't we letting the Germans and Soviets piss on themselves while we Americans care about ourselves? Besides, that business is Europe is none of our business! We may have some worries about Japan but hey, FDR will get us through this domestic mess with the New Deal! Screw intervention! Let all that play out! We should stay home!"

-some made-up Average Joe commenting on European affairs

[Mkuki]

I'd prefer that you provide some examples.

(My apologies, forgot to include the link. My fault entirely. Edited to correct that.)

No problem.

I see. That is unfortunate. This is why I say we should not side with either the Soviets or the Germans.

while the Soviets are working to ensure brotherhood among all workers, regardless of race

How is that true when Stalin starves his farmers to feed his workers?

[Mkuki]

"Why aren't we letting the Germans and Soviets piss on themselves while we Americans care about ourselves? Besides, that business is Europe is none of our business! We may have some worries about Japan but hey, FDR will get us through this domestic mess with the New Deal! Screw intervention! Let all that play out! We should stay home!"

-some made-up Average Joe commenting on European affairs

I agree. How can we do anything in Europe when our own house isn't in order?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

(My apologies, forgot to include the link. My fault entirely. Edited to correct that.)

No problem.

I see. That is unfortunate. This is why I say we should not side with either the Soviets or the Germans.

while the Soviets are working to ensure brotherhood among all workers, regardless of race

How is that true when Stalin starves his farmers to feed his workers?

That's an exaggeration at best. Frankly, if it weren't for Western intervention, they wouldn't be having any issues regarding supply.

[Granadeseret]

... racist? anti-semitic? That dosen't sound so different then most of the most successful and upstanding citizens in The United States. As for the Soviets, their style is rudely against everything The United States stands for; Freedom of Worship (Their enforced atheism, shutting down of temples, and sending religious leaders to Siberia?) Freedom of Speech (Killing all who disagree) Freedom of Trade (Their system stifles all healthy competition, and forces upon men their professions even if they would prefer others) and many other keystone values, and has been leveeing strong rhetoric against our government since their formation. The Germans, on the other hand, have only strong friendships with many of our most successful and admirable captains of industry and and upstanding organizations.

Hitler is bound to start another war. While his politics are mostly better than the Soviets', his idea of "Lebensraum" is impossible right now. Once the tensions of the Great War finally end, it will be viable. But not yet.

Mr. Hitler, I believe, is the one who seeks to end the tensions of The Great War, which continue to exist almost exclusively because of the lingering prejudices at Versailles. Granted, he has rearmed Germany, but how can he expect to wield any bargaining power with the French if Germany lacks military power, and France is capable of stomping them into the ground? How is he supposed to defend against Communist extremists without the proper armed forces? Certainly, if Mr. Hitler presents unsound claims to land (such as the whole of Poland, not just those areas with a great deal of ethnic Germans unfairly attributed to the new nation at Versailles), then we should oppose such blatent cultural imperialism, but besides some rhetoric which was written during his darkest, most lonely hours, what evidence do you have that he plans for another war? His naval limitations agreement with Great Britain? His Non-Aggression agreement with Poland? His strong stand against the spread of Bolshevism and is demand for global civil war? I fail to see how he is anything other then a paragon of virtue. What of the Arab peoples, which despite all the niceties the British and French continue to hold as de-facto colonies, and the tension building in those regions?

As to you, Man-who-seems-unnaturally-fond-of-dinner, I would hardly call the men who actually CREATED the jobs that the factory workers so enjoy, and provided living wages for them until our (admittedly broken) banking system sent us into a deflationary spiral that lead to a dark day in capitalism's history, through their talents at entrepreneurship and investment, who have played an important role in insuring the American standard of living is the highest in the world, can truely be considered exploiters (or, at least, any more exploitery then in any system that requires division of labor, including your precious Communism. Do you honestly believe the Commintern is eating the same meat as peasant? Or that the inside of the Kremlin looks even remotely like one of their worker's housing?). If you want to see true exploitation, look at the robber barons of the pre-Progressive era; certainly an example of Capitalism run amuck. However, through the power of Progressive government we harnessed the wild beast of Capitalism and made us, through the government, its master, so its benefits could be harvested for the good of the people, not shot the gold-laying goose that it is in the head merely to avoid it eating too much bread. We have begun doing the same thing under Mr. Roosevelt's New Deal programs, to retain the benefits of Capitalism while mitigating its excesses... just as, if we examine the economic policies of Mr. Hitler, the Germans have begun to do with stunning successes. Russia, the backwards, anti-business autocracy that it was, might have needed some radical movement of "workers" (for what they were; the Russian proletariat was hardly the industrial worker that Marx so predicted he would be... the industrial populaces as a whole of the truly industrialized nations seem just fine with capitalism.) to yank her out of feudalism, but we Americans certainly do not.

and your claims of "Western Intervention" are laughable to say the least. Simply because we do not wish to loan, invest in, or trade with en-mass a nation who constantly preaches for our destruction does not make us monster; it makes us reasonable men. The Soviets have many of the breadbaskets of Europe, but their farming systems of laughably inefficient... it is no wonder they can not feed themselves despite their massive area.

[Bacopa]

bah, diarrhea vs tuberculosis

[Osterlais]

If the Germans want to throw off the yoke of the Rothschilds as they did the Hollenzollern that is their issue. It is Germany's right to be a strong nation. We must put the past war behind us, and not with militarism start a new one. In this time of worldwide depression, Germany has suffered the worse, but we all have suffered. No one wants a war, well except maybe Stalin. It is up to the Great Powers of Europe to resolve their disputes, they will not make the same mistakes twice.

Really, every any conflict occurs it will be contained, such as with the war in Spain. Most likely this National Socialism will be a passing fad, just like Mr. Roosevelt's New Deal. Once this depression ends, like all the others, people will move on.

[Maurepas]

(Pre-Pearl Harbor and with no knowledge of the Holocaust) Neither. This isn't our fight, and both sides are ideologically opposed to our own. I'm not seeing what America or Americans have to gain in this situation.

Let Europe sort out its own mess.

[Frisbeeteria]

another of my thoughts are take over russia after germany is through with them. after that we send our troops to germany and take over germany. We could arrive at Stalingrad right when the germans are leaving. We could also threaten Japan with a third nuke if they don't give the U.S, China .

[Gallia-]

Neither. America should stay out of European wars. Marshall Foch may have been right, but there is no reason for the USA to be obliged to enter any European war unless provoked. That has always been policy, and God willing it will remain. Besides, we've fought both of them once, we can do it again if necessary, and our attention should be focused on the British Empire and Japanese collusion. That is the real threat.

[Euloria]

Russia is stronger, and while some of Herr Hitler's ideas may be strange, I don't see how they are that different than Mr. Roosevelt's. I would also like to denounce half the people on this thread as soviet spies. The Reds must be stopped!

Well, how about the fact that Hitler's policies are openly racist and anti-Semitic, while the Soviets are working to ensure brotherhood among all workers, regardless of race?

Brotherhood in slavery, perhaps.

I am beginning to suspect Congressman that you are a red spy.

[Nazis in Space]

Well, how about the fact that Hitler's policies are openly racist and anti-Semitic, while the Soviets are working to ensure brotherhood among all workers, regardless of race?

Brotherhood in slavery, perhaps.

I am beginning to suspect Congressman that you are a red spy.

Alf Landon '36

No reds in the white house!