Should we be siding with the Soviets or the Nazis? [1935]

[Corenea]

Choosing between Nazis and the Soviet Union is like choosing to eat your shit or drink your piss. And why should we recognize these two un-American states? They hate each other so let them kill each other while everyone else just watch. If we ally with either one of them, they'll end up being our enemy, I'll bet you $500 for that.

Because despite its growing pains, the U.S.S.R. is the single greatest defender of the proletariat in the world today, and I will not stand idly by while it is threatened. The Soviets are not the enemy of America itself, but rather of the ruthless capitalist predatory class, which survives off of the blood of the workers.

I''ll bet you that the USSR will be America's enemy after America helped the USSR defeat Nazi Germany. Do you accept the bet?

[European Socialist Republic]

Because despite its growing pains, the U.S.S.R. is the single greatest defender of the proletariat in the world today, and I will not stand idly by while it is threatened. The Soviets are not the enemy of America itself, but rather of the ruthless capitalist predatory class, which survives off of the blood of the workers.

I''ll bet you that the USSR will be America's enemy after America helped the USSR defeat Nazi Germany. Do you accept the bet?

Not if the USA is turned into the USSSA! Soviet America is Best America!

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Because despite its growing pains, the U.S.S.R. is the single greatest defender of the proletariat in the world today, and I will not stand idly by while it is threatened. The Soviets are not the enemy of America itself, but rather of the ruthless capitalist predatory class, which survives off of the blood of the workers.

I''ll bet you that the USSR will be America's enemy after America helped the USSR defeat Nazi Germany. Do you accept the bet?

Absolutely not, since you're refusing to differentiate between the American ruling class and the American worker when you say "America's enemy". They may be the enemy of those pulling the levers of power, but never of those pulling the levers in the factories.

[Corenea]

I''ll bet you that the USSR will be America's enemy after America helped the USSR defeat Nazi Germany. Do you accept the bet?

Absolutely not, since you're refusing to differentiate between the American ruling class and the American worker when you say "America's enemy". They may be the enemy of those pulling the levers of power, but never of those pulling the levers in the factories.

You are obviously out of touch with the modern world, American workers live better than those Soviet commie elites. Thanks to the New Deal, we have more wages and more happiness. The enemy of America are you Soviet terrorists that want to install an anti-democratic government and you want to kill Americans to suit you freedom-hating dogs

[God Kefka]

We should side with Nazi Germany and not the USSR if we have to take a side (the OP rules).

The Nazis have more in common with America ideologically (respect for business oligarchs, discrimination against racial minorities etc) and they are less likely to emerge as a future rival once we defeat the common enemy (Germany has less people and less resources than Russia, it can't singlehandedly dominate a huge chunk of the world... this means we will the boss in this alliance).

And besides, there are more German-Americans then there are Russian-Americans. It would be more politically marketable...

[Ozzy]

How often does it have to be repeated that the Third Reich has a non-aggression pact with Poland, cordial relations with Britain, and is actively working on ending the animosity between France and Germany?

What the fuck are you people fantasising about?

Yours somewhat wearily,

Adolf Hitler, Chancellor & President of Germany

How often must it be repeated that war would be inevitable in Eastern Europe due to your Fuhrer's fantasies of Lebensraum as previously mentioned in volume 2 of Mein Kampf?

[America Libertaria]

We should first side with USSR. Once we finish with Germany we could turn against the Commies and use a special weapon on them that I'm pretty sure will be finished by that time.

[Ozzy]

We should first side with USSR. Once we finish with Germany we could turn against the Commies and use a special weapon on them that I'm pretty sure will be finished by that time.

Manhatten Project + This = No Cold War

Is this what you mean?

[European Socialist Republic]

We should first side with USSR. Once we finish with Germany we could turn against the Commies and use a special weapon on them that I'm pretty sure will be finished by that time.

No weapon could possibly crush the spirit of the proletariat!

Besides, we have enough spies in your ranks to steal the secrets to this weapon, if you were to ever create one that is.

[Granadeseret]

How often does it have to be repeated that the Third Reich has a non-aggression pact with Poland, cordial relations with Britain, and is actively working on ending the animosity between France and Germany?

What the fuck are you people fantasising about?

Yours somewhat wearily,

Adolf Hitler, Chancellor & President of Germany

How often must it be repeated that war would be inevitable in Eastern Europe due to your Fuhrer's fantasies of Lebensraum as previously mentioned in volume 2 of Mein Kampf?

You do realize that war will be just about as inevitable EVERYWHERE due to the Marxist predictions of World Revolution and the Soviet's long-standing support for Red movements abroad, correct? At least the Germans have a very limited frame of expansion... and considering, even combined and with massive American funding ands support the three could barely defeat Germany last time, it would be safe to say the Germans would make a wonderful shield against Bolshevism. If that means resinding a few of the unfair terms of the Versailles treaty. (Such as allowing an Austria to exercise its sovereign right to dispose of its territory as it pleases, or the return of the "Polish" (primarily populated by ethnic Germans) corridor) then so be it.

[European Socialist Republic]

How often must it be repeated that war would be inevitable in Eastern Europe due to your Fuhrer's fantasies of Lebensraum as previously mentioned in volume 2 of Mein Kampf?

You do realize that war will be just about as inevitable EVERYWHERE due to the Marxist predictions of World Revolution and the Soviet's long-standing support for Red movements abroad, correct? At least the Germans have a very limited frame of expansion... and considering, even combined and with massive American funding ands support the three could barely defeat Germany last time, it would be safe to say the Germans would make a wonderful shield against Bolshevism. If that means resinding a few of the unfair terms of the Versailles treaty. (Such as allowing an Austria to exercise its sovereign right to dispose of its territory as it pleases, or the return of the "Polish" (primarily populated by ethnic Germans) corridor) then so be it.

Peace means there's an absence of opposition to socialism.

[Nazis in Space]

How often does it have to be repeated that the Third Reich has a non-aggression pact with Poland, cordial relations with Britain, and is actively working on ending the animosity between France and Germany?

What the fuck are you people fantasising about?

Yours somewhat wearily,

Adolf Hitler, Chancellor & President of Germany

How often must it be repeated that war would be inevitable in Eastern Europe due to your Fuhrer's fantasies of Lebensraum as previously mentioned in volume 2 of Mein Kampf?

I've already addressed this issue, in public, in the French press, and I've referenced said interview in this very discussion. You're really grasping at straws and, incidentally, appear to suffer from poor english, considering that you're using 'Your Führer' when addressing, you know...

Adolf Hitler, Chancellor & President of Germany

[European Socialist Republic]

How often must it be repeated that war would be inevitable in Eastern Europe due to your Fuhrer's fantasies of Lebensraum as previously mentioned in volume 2 of Mein Kampf?

I've already addressed this issue, in public, in the French press, and I've referenced said interview in this very discussion. You're really grasping at straws and, incidentally, appear to suffer from poor english, considering that you're using 'Your Führer' when addressing, you know...

Adolf Hitler, Chancellor & President of Germany

Chancellor & President? But it's 1935! You already dissolved those positions last year! Your current position is "Führer und Reichskanzler".

[Ozzy]

I've already addressed this issue, in public, in the French press, and I've referenced said interview in this very discussion. You're really grasping at straws and, incidentally, appear to suffer from poor english, considering that you're using 'Your Führer' when addressing, you know...

Adolf Hitler, Chancellor & President of Germany

English you mean or would that be German? Since I apologize for my English keyboard lacking a 'ü' character nor do I have the respect to even capitalize the 'Y' before it.

Word to the wise, don't be making posts that contradicts your previous statements in the same thread because that would not only label you as a hypocrite but would confuse everyone here in regards to your stance on the topic.

[Nazis in Space]

I've already addressed this issue, in public, in the French press, and I've referenced said interview in this very discussion. You're really grasping at straws and, incidentally, appear to suffer from poor english, considering that you're using 'Your Führer' when addressing, you know...

Adolf Hitler, Chancellor & President of Germany

Chancellor & President? But it's 1935! You already dissolved those positions last year! Your current position is "Führer und Reichskanzler".

Oh, right. My apologies. You see, I occasionally get mixed up over the work I'm doing to rebuild Germany and all that... And legislation works quickly once the Reichstag is gleichgeschaltet.

But you're of course right, and I appreciate your reminder.

Yours sincerely,

Adolf Hitler, Führer & Reichskanzler

I've already addressed this issue, in public, in the French press, and I've referenced said interview in this very discussion. You're really grasping at straws and, incidentally, appear to suffer from poor english, considering that you're using 'Your Führer' when addressing, you know...

Adolf Hitler, Chancellor & President of Germany

English you mean or would that be German? Since I apologize for my English keyboard lacking a 'ü' character nor do I have the respect to even capitalize the 'Y' before it.

Word to the wise, don't be making posts that contradicts your previous statements in the same thread because that would not only label you as a hypocrite but would confuse everyone here in regards to your stance on the topic.

Holy shit. It's got to take effort to miss the point by such a margain.

Commies.

lol

Yours in disgust at your terrible ideology,

Adolf Hitler, Führer & Reichskanzler

PS: (You wouldn't happen to be jewish, would you? That'd explain so much)

[European Socialist Republic]

Chancellor & President? But it's 1935! You already dissolved those positions last year! Your current position is "Führer und Reichskanzler".

Oh, right. My apologies. You see, I occasionally get mixed up over the work I'm doing to rebuild Germany and all that... And legislation works quickly once the Reichstag is gleichgeschaltet.

But you're of course right, and I appreciate your reminder.

Yours sincerely,

Adolf Hitler, Führer & Reichskanzler

No problem. We'll have the last laugh once the proletariat overthrows your Nazi ass!

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Absolutely not, since you're refusing to differentiate between the American ruling class and the American worker when you say "America's enemy". They may be the enemy of those pulling the levers of power, but never of those pulling the levers in the factories.

You are obviously out of touch with the modern world, American workers live better than those Soviet commie elites. Thanks to the New Deal, we have more wages and more happiness. The enemy of America are you Soviet terrorists that want to install an anti-democratic government and you want to kill Americans to suit you freedom-hating dogs

We're getting a bit off-topic, but I'll bite.

The New Deal is a minor step forward, but fails to take into account the huge structural problems inherent within the capitalist economy. While it will put food on the table for starving workers, and is deserving of temporary support for that, the violence and exploitation inherent within the system has only been giving a fresh coat of paint, not solved entirely, and will not be solved until the workers gain control of the means of production.

In America, we claim to have democracy, but how true is this, really? Workers are not guaranteed time off to vote on Election Day, and so must choose between exercising their franchise and maintaining their employment. In the South, punitive poll taxes and tests keep Negroes from the ballot box. Corruption is the order of the day. Despite some losses, the capitalist exploiters of Tammany Hall still run things behind the scenes in New York.

By calling the vanguard of the revolution "elites", you show that you have no idea what the word means. Yes, I would prefer to see a faster transition to workers' councils and local control, but in the face of the threat of fascist aggression from Europe and constant sabotage from the bankers and industrialists in the United States, I can see why the dictatorship has been extended for now.

[Mirkana]

Of course you should side with me... er, I mean the glorious Third Reich!

[Ashmoria]

Stalin, of course. He may be imperfect, but at least the Soviet Union stands for the worker. The Nazis stand for nothing but some scientifically unsupportable "Aryan" ideal.

we'll show them how stupid their Aryan ideals are when we kick their ass next year in the Olympics!

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Stalin, of course. He may be imperfect, but at least the Soviet Union stands for the worker. The Nazis stand for nothing but some scientifically unsupportable "Aryan" ideal.

we'll show them how stupid their Aryan ideals are when we kick their ass next year in the Olympics!

The Olympics are a bourgeois joke. I'm going to be focusing on the Spartakiad.

[McCatsonia]

I say we side with the Nazis.

[Ashmoria]

we'll show them how stupid their Aryan ideals are when we kick their ass next year in the Olympics!

The Olympics are a bourgeois joke. I'm going to be focusing on the Spartakiad.

I am in favor of any event that will humiliate the Nazis.

[Neo Rome Republic]

USSR.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

The Olympics are a bourgeois joke. I'm going to be focusing on the Spartakiad.

I am in favor of any event that will humiliate the Nazis.

Then boycotting the Olympics is the best move. Participate in the Spartakiad instead. Don't give Herr Shicklegruber the attention and legitimacy he craves.

[Osterlais]

Russia is stronger, and while some of Herr Hitler's ideas may be strange, I don't see how they are that different than Mr. Roosevelt's. I would also like to denounce half the people on this thread as soviet spies. The Reds must be stopped!