Should we be siding with the Soviets or the Nazis? [1935]

[Historical Debates]

Credit to Divair for the idea.

I get that nobody really likes choosing the lesser of multiple evils, but then again, as Americans we have to do that every four years. So now, looking ahead in the realm of foreign policy, we must again make a similar decision though perhaps a more difficult one.

With rising nationalism and the presence of the Nazi party in Germany, and the odd backwards attitude of the Soviet Union, European politics is becoming more and more tense. I think we all see more tension coming in the years ahead - only time will tell whether or not it is extremely violent.

As a world power even in our current economic conditions, I think we need to decide which evil we would side with if push comes to shove.

I understand that many of you are probably isolationist, but the premise of my question is that if we absolutely HAVE to, who should we have a friendlier foreign policy with in the coming decades? Germany or the Soviet Union?

Personally, I think we have to look at who each entity is a risk to. Germany is a risk to our Western allies, while the Soviets are a risk to Eastern Europe and Central Asia. We must stand by our allies and recognize the real threat. I choose the Soviets in this disgusting decision we might have to make.

But what do you all think?

[Alyakia]

Sorry, I just got out of a a coma. What year is it again? Is it Christmas yet?

[God Kefka]

Credit to Divair for the idea.

I get that nobody really likes choosing the lesser of multiple evils, but then again, as Americans we have to do that every four years. So now, looking ahead in the realm of foreign policy, we must again make a similar decision though perhaps a more difficult one.

With rising nationalism and the presence of the Nazi party in Germany, and the odd backwards attitude of the Soviet Union, European politics is becoming more and more tense. I think we all see more tension coming in the years ahead - only time will tell whether or not it is extremely violent.

As a world power even in our current economic conditions, I think we need to decide which evil we would side with if push comes to shove.

I understand that many of you are probably isolationist, but the premise of my question is that if we absolutely HAVE to, who should we have a friendlier foreign policy with in the coming decades? Germany or the Soviet Union?

Personally, I think we have to look at who each entity is a risk to. Germany is a risk to our Western allies, while the Soviets are a risk to Eastern Europe and Central Asia. We must stand by our allies and recognize the real threat. I choose the Soviets in this disgusting decision we might have to make.

But what do you all think?

Well, if I were the USA I would have sided with Nazi Germany precisely because they were a threat to Britain. We would supply them to undermine and fight the British, or at least weaken them. I could then make a land grab for Canada when Germany goes to war with the British...

Once we have Canada, we can continue with our isolationism... if necessary, we could acquire additional colonies in South America... Once the rest of the world destroys itself through World War, we could move out and pick up all the pieces.

Since Germany is our ally and their rhetoric is so anti-Russian... I expect the two would have gone off to war, it doesn't matter who wins because we would just pick up the pieces. The Nazis can easily be played to go to war against the rest of Europe. Germany should do quite well against Russia and maybe even win because they have our support. We could always invade Russia from the other side too if necessary to facilitate German victory.

See we want Germany to win because Germany can't effectively occupy Russia... but we know Russia can effectively occupy Germany. It's a manpower issue, we don't want a strong Russia we would later have to fight. So give the Germans their ''victory''... it improves our position on the board because it gives the Germans a lot of burden.

I expect at the end of all, the USA will rule the world. Maybe not directly, but definitely behind the scenes at the very least as the real superpower. Europe would have destroyed itself and there would be no Cold War because we would have made sure Russia lost... Germany doesn't have the industrial base to ever match the USA.

America wins...

[Farnhamia]

[2014] What year are you asking this question? [/2014]

[Pilotto]

Well, if I were the USA I would have sided with Nazi Germany precisely because they were a threat to Britain. We would supply them to undermine and fight the British, or at least weaken them. I could then make a land grab for Canada when Germany goes to war with the British...

Once we have Canada, we can continue with our isolationism... if necessary, we could acquire additional colonies in South America... Once the rest of the world destroys itself through World War, we could move out and pick up all the pieces.

Since Germany is our ally and their rhetoric is so anti-Russian... I expect the two would have gone off to war, it doesn't matter who wins because we would just pick up the pieces. The Nazis can easily be played to go to war against the rest of Europe. Germany should do quite well against Russia and maybe even win because they have our support. We could always invade Russia from the other side too if necessary to facilitate German victory.

See we want Germany to win because Germany can't effectively occupy Russia... but we know Russia can effectively occupy Germany. It's a manpower issue, we don't want a strong Russia we would later have to fight. So give the Germans their ''victory''... it improves our position on the board because it gives the Germans a lot of burden.

I expect at the end of all, the USA will rule the world. Maybe not directly, but definitely behind the scenes at the very least as the real superpower. Europe would have destroyed itself and there would be no Cold War because we would have made sure Russia lost... Germany doesn't have the industrial base to ever match the USA.

America wins...

I'm all for the good ole' USA, but damn... selling out the Brits like that? That's not cool.

[Historical Debates]

[2014] What year are you asking this question? [/2014]

[2014] 1935 [/2014]

[Gallup]

Have the Commies declare war on the Nazis, killing them both. Then, the beacon of democracy will swoop in to save them.

[Kelinfort]

Side with the Soviets and the British.

[Arglorand]

Side with Poland.

[Alexannbggg]

USSR all the way!

[God Kefka]

Well, if I were the USA I would have sided with Nazi Germany precisely because they were a threat to Britain. We would supply them to undermine and fight the British, or at least weaken them. I could then make a land grab for Canada when Germany goes to war with the British...

Once we have Canada, we can continue with our isolationism... if necessary, we could acquire additional colonies in South America... Once the rest of the world destroys itself through World War, we could move out and pick up all the pieces.

Since Germany is our ally and their rhetoric is so anti-Russian... I expect the two would have gone off to war, it doesn't matter who wins because we would just pick up the pieces. The Nazis can easily be played to go to war against the rest of Europe. Germany should do quite well against Russia and maybe even win because they have our support. We could always invade Russia from the other side too if necessary to facilitate German victory.

See we want Germany to win because Germany can't effectively occupy Russia... but we know Russia can effectively occupy Germany. It's a manpower issue, we don't want a strong Russia we would later have to fight. So give the Germans their ''victory''... it improves our position on the board because it gives the Germans a lot of burden.

I expect at the end of all, the USA will rule the world. Maybe not directly, but definitely behind the scenes at the very least as the real superpower. Europe would have destroyed itself and there would be no Cold War because we would have made sure Russia lost... Germany doesn't have the industrial base to ever match the USA.

America wins...

I'm all for the good ole' USA, but damn... selling out the Brits like that? That's not cool.

Britain had their time in the sun...

Now it's America's age of glory I think...

To do that, you have to undermine not just Britain, but Russia as well. Germany and its band of fanatics can be the main instrument... America just has to pick up the pieces after.

[Vorkova]

I side with Comrade Stalin. Long live the cause of Marx and Lenin!

[Nazi Flower Power]

Credit to Divair for the idea.

I get that nobody really likes choosing the lesser of multiple evils, but then again, as Americans we have to do that every four years. So now, looking ahead in the realm of foreign policy, we must again make a similar decision though perhaps a more difficult one.

With rising nationalism and the presence of the Nazi party in Germany, and the odd backwards attitude of the Soviet Union, European politics is becoming more and more tense. I think we all see more tension coming in the years ahead - only time will tell whether or not it is extremely violent.

As a world power even in our current economic conditions, I think we need to decide which evil we would side with if push comes to shove.

I understand that many of you are probably isolationist, but the premise of my question is that if we absolutely HAVE to, who should we have a friendlier foreign policy with in the coming decades? Germany or the Soviet Union?

Personally, I think we have to look at who each entity is a risk to. Germany is a risk to our Western allies, while the Soviets are a risk to Eastern Europe and Central Asia. We must stand by our allies and recognize the real threat. I choose the Soviets in this disgusting decision we might have to make.

But what do you all think?

How can you choose the Soviets over us! Don't you love our sexy uniforms and spiffy swastikas?

[Vorkova]

How can you choose the Soviets over us! Don't you love our sexy uniforms and spiffy swastikas?

Lots of tall, blonde muscular men in tight leather uniforms. So heterosexual.

[Conservatismus]

If Germany attacks the USSR then we should take Siberia.

But we should stay out unless that happens or someone attacks us.

[Nazi Flower Power]

How can you choose the Soviets over us! Don't you love our sexy uniforms and spiffy swastikas?

Lots of tall, blonde muscular men in tight leather uniforms. So heterosexual.

Why would I point out the sexy uniforms to a male-dominated government if I thought they were all straight?

[The Grey Wolf]

The Nazis, obviously. I will be explaining my reasons below:

The Nazis are obviously opposed to our form of government. But not at the same level as the Soviet Union. It would be much easier to be friendly with a country that sees you as a nuisance, than one that sees you as literally the Devil Incarnate.

[In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam]

I have to say that with the soviets and china communist it might end up the cuban missile crisis, but with DEFCOM 1, so i have to chose Russia

[Lincolnocracy]

We're still recovering from The Great Depression, there's no way we can afford to finance a foreign war, especially one in a conflict so large and unrelated to the American national interest. What we need is jobs, and possibly some kind of system which transmits pictures of cats to the world (probably steam-powered).

[Kiruri]

"Should we be siding..."

??

I have a feeling your calendar's a few decades old.

I would chose the Soviets. They were far more sane than the Germans

[Caltarania]

As a Brit, I will have to say the Soviets. Although their government form is not exactly ideal, they are less of a threat to my homeland, at least.

I've always seen the Ruskies as the lesser of the two evils, anyway.

[Kiruri]

We're still recovering from The Great Depression, there's no way we can afford to finance a foreign war, especially one in a conflict so large and unrelated to the American national interest. What we need is jobs, and possibly some kind of system which transmits pictures of cats to the world (probably steam-powered).

ppttfff, diesel

[Congotar]

USSR all the way!

This.

[Alyakia]

The Nazis, obviously. I will be explaining my reasons below:

The Nazis are obviously opposed to our form of government. But not at the same level as the Soviet Union. It would be much easier to be friendly with a country that sees you as a nuisance, than one that sees you as literally the Devil Incarnate.

...You haven't paid much attention to what their leader has said about the U.S.A. as a morally deficient racially inferior mixing pot of untermensch, have you?

[Sun Wukong]

Kill Russians or Germans?

Germans. Business before pleasure.