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Could Germany Have Won WW2?

Postby The NAR » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:16 pm

Could Hitler's Germany have won WW2, i beleive so. If Hitler would have spaced out his invasions, like not attack the Soviet Union so quick, he would have had more streangth tho beat the Americans, and then invade the USSR. What do you think?
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Postby Terra Sector Union » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:19 pm

Yes the Axis could have won. I really wonder how the US would turn out. Britain and the eastern half of America would have been territories of Germany. Likely more camps would be set up there. Japan on the other hand would take control of Western North America.
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Postby Polski Swiety Imperium » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:20 pm

If Hitler hadn't attacked the Soviets, he would have won.
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Postby Solaray » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:21 pm

If they didn't blow all their resources on the Holocaust, it's possible.
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Postby Immoren » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:22 pm

The NAR wrote:Could Hitler's Germany have won WW2, i beleive so. If Hitler would have spaced out his invasions, like not attack the Soviet Union so quick, he would have had more streangth tho beat the Americans, and then invade the USSR. What do you think?

If Hitler had waited any longer, Germany wouldn't have had any change invading EU. IIRC.
And attempting to invade USA before USSR? With what expeditionary capability?
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Postby The NAR » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:23 pm

Hitler did not NEED the oil from Russia, he could have won without it. Or maybe he should have givin his troops, i dont know, JACKETS when invading Russia.
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Postby Divair » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:24 pm

No. Both the USSR and USA could out-produce the Axis by themselves. It was an inevitable victory for the Allies from the start.

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Postby Scomagia » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:24 pm

Polski Swiety Imperium wrote:If Hitler hadn't attacked the Soviets, he would have won.

Doubtful. iirc Stalin had plans drawn up for attacking Germany regardless of whether Hitler struck first.
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Postby Polski Swiety Imperium » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:25 pm

Divair wrote:No. Both the USSR and USA could out-produce the Axis by themselves. It was an inevitable victory for the Allies from the start.


But the USSR was on Hitler's side until he attacked them. He would have one combined with the USSR.
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Postby Polski Swiety Imperium » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:25 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Polski Swiety Imperium wrote:If Hitler hadn't attacked the Soviets, he would have won.

Doubtful. iirc Stalin had plans drawn up for attacking Germany regardless of whether Hitler struck first.


Really? O_O
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Postby Divair » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:27 pm

Polski Swiety Imperium wrote:
Divair wrote:No. Both the USSR and USA could out-produce the Axis by themselves. It was an inevitable victory for the Allies from the start.


But the USSR was on Hitler's side until he attacked them. He would have one combined with the USSR.

No, the USSR wasn't on Hitler's side. The USSR was, like Hitler, grabbing land from Poland for their own benefit. Ideological differences meant that conflict was inevitable.

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Postby Immoren » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:28 pm

Divair wrote:No. Both the USSR and USA could out-produce the Axis by themselves. It was an inevitable victory for the Allies from the start.

I remember someone remarking that British empire also could've driven Germans out of West Europe and perhaps in even penetrated into West Germany, if they didn't had to split their attention due to Japanese invasion of Pacific.
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Postby Jetan » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:29 pm

Impossible to say outright. It'd depend on what the POD is.
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Postby The Legion of War » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:29 pm

Polski Swiety Imperium wrote:
Divair wrote:No. Both the USSR and USA could out-produce the Axis by themselves. It was an inevitable victory for the Allies from the start.


But the USSR was on Hitler's side until he attacked them. He would have one combined with the USSR.

But the two were going to go to war regardless.

So, Germany might have finally had Western Europe under its control. However, it would have still had to fight the USSR and the USA most likely, not to mention the rest of the Commonwealth (I highly doubt they would have rolled over as soon as Britain went down).
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Postby Ozzy » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:30 pm

Due to the success of America's Manhattan Project, no I say not. Multiple atomic bombs would have been dropped on the German mainland in so many what-if scenarios I read, apparently the usage of nuclear weapons would be inevitable if things got out of The Allies' hand.

Then again, there's the jet; Germany simply didn't have enough time to mass manufacture the ME-262a.
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:31 pm

There is little way for Nazi Germany to have won against the USSR, USA, GB, France, and all the other allies. Depending Nazi Germany might have been able to defeat GB and/or the USSR.
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Postby Empire of Narnia » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:31 pm

No, because nobody can triumph when they are up against comrade Stalin.

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Postby DrakoLand » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:32 pm

To all the people saying Hitler shouldn't have attacked the USSR keep in mind that you can't have Nationalism Socialism rise in a world with USSR. Many Germans actually fought for just that, to stop the Bolsheviks and even now ex-soldiers are proud and think Europe owes them for stopping the commies...
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Postby Congotar » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:32 pm

It could've been possible.
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Postby Estado Paulista » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:32 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:No, because nobody can triumph when they are up against comrade Stalin.


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Postby Nazis in Space » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:33 pm

Could China have won the first opium war?

Could Toyotomi Hideyoshi have defeated Tokugawa Ieyasu?

Could Mas Oyama have beaten Bruce Lee?

Could Harry have ended up with Hermione?

Could Red beat Blue?

All these and more are much, much less talked about to death than this staggeringly stale 'Topic'.

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Postby DrakoLand » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:34 pm

Polski Swiety Imperium wrote:
Divair wrote:No. Both the USSR and USA could out-produce the Axis by themselves. It was an inevitable victory for the Allies from the start.


But the USSR was on Hitler's side until he attacked them. He would have one combined with the USSR.


No, they simply agreed to not attack each other till someone was ready :P
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Postby Greed and Death » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:34 pm

If it did not invade Russia and stopped Japan from attacking the US sure.
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:35 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:No, because nobody can triumph when they are up against comrade Stalin.

If Hitler hadn't micromanaged the Easter front, and the logistic support and supplies for russia had been better, Germany might have been able to take and hold Moscow. Probably couldn't do that while fighting GB and the USA though. Plus Japan might have taken another stab at Eastern Russia and Siberia if Germany had done well enough in the Europe.
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Postby DrakoLand » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:35 pm

Nazis in Space wrote:Could China have won the first opium war?

Could Toyotomi Hideyoshi have defeated Tokugawa Ieyasu?

Could Mas Oyama have beaten Bruce Lee?

Could Harry have ended up with Hermione?

Could Red beat Blue?

All these and more are much, much less talked about to death than this staggeringly stale 'Topic'.


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