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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Feb 10, 2014 8:25 pm

Ok? Oklahoma and Rand Paul.

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Postby Phoenixfox » Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:36 pm

What's wrong with wanting to prevent undesirables and miscreants from hurting the atmosphere of your establishment? Banning everyone of a certain race is wrong, but that doesn't sound like what he intended.
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Postby Belzia » Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:37 pm

Phoenixfox wrote:What's wrong with wanting to prevent undesirables and miscreants from hurting the atmosphere of your establishment? Banning everyone of a certain race is wrong, but that doesn't sound like what he intended.

please be sarscasm, please be sracasm, please be sarcasm...
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Postby Utceforp » Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:39 pm

Belzia wrote:
Phoenixfox wrote:What's wrong with wanting to prevent undesirables and miscreants from hurting the atmosphere of your establishment? Banning everyone of a certain race is wrong, but that doesn't sound like what he intended.

please be sarscasm, please be sracasm, please be sarcasm...

I've read other posts of his. It's not.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:39 pm

Oh, it's gonna be a delight seeing the right-wing media defend him if he ever gets sued over this bullshit. :lol:

I take it NSG already knows my stance regarding discrimination by licensed businesses?
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:42 pm

Phoenixfox wrote:What's wrong with wanting to prevent undesirables and miscreants from hurting the atmosphere of your establishment? Banning everyone of a certain race is wrong, but that doesn't sound like what he intended.


The restaurant’s official t-shirt ["Where Great Whites Gather"] makes it clear that a “f*ggot” isn’t welcome in James’s establishment. It features that word, the N-word ["Nigger Free Zone"] , and threatens violence against Muslims, Democrats, and members of many minority groups.


How in the Nine Fucking Hells does that not signify the intent to ban everyone of a certain race, not to mention several other groups?

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Postby Phoenixfox » Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:42 pm

Belzia wrote:
Phoenixfox wrote:What's wrong with wanting to prevent undesirables and miscreants from hurting the atmosphere of your establishment? Banning everyone of a certain race is wrong, but that doesn't sound like what he intended.

please be sarscasm, please be sracasm, please be sarcasm...

I'm not saying it's okay to prohibit broad categories of people from your restaurant, because it's not.

What I'm saying is that the owner has the right to ban people from his store if they are detracting from the experience of the other customers by being loud (black people are often guilty of this in the south but so are others), smelly, obnoxious, raggedy in appearance, disrespectful, trouble-starters, etc.
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Postby Stormhound » Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:46 pm

Well it is his business. If he wants to exclude people from entering, more power to him. Doesn't mean you have to agree with what he says, or even accept it.
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Postby Wamitoria » Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:47 pm

Stormhound wrote:Well it is his business. If he wants to exclude people from entering, more power to him. Doesn't mean you have to agree with what he says, or even accept it.

Other than the fact that he legally cannot do what he's doing and has only gotten by because he lives in a white area...
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Postby Mkuki » Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:48 pm

Stormhound wrote:Well it is his business. If he wants to exclude people from entering, more power to him. Doesn't mean you have to agree with what he says, or even accept it.

But it's illegal. :eyebrow:
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Postby Mkuki » Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:49 pm

Phoenixfox wrote:
Belzia wrote:please be sarscasm, please be sracasm, please be sarcasm...

I'm not saying it's okay to prohibit broad categories of people from your restaurant, because it's not.

What I'm saying is that the owner has the right to ban people from his store if they are detracting from the experience of the other customers by being loud (black people are often guilty of this in the south but so are others), smelly, obnoxious, raggedy in appearance, disrespectful, trouble-starters, etc.

Stereotypes galore! Hail Stereotypia! King of Stereotypes!

Seriously? That's your argument for him violating the law? Seriously, what do you think minorities are? Evil demons ready to set buildings on fire?
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Postby ALMF » Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:04 pm

Stormhound wrote:Well it is his business. If he wants to exclude people from entering, more power to him. Doesn't mean you have to agree with what he says, or even accept it.

It is generally wrong to discriminate and right to interfere with decriminalization. And why is it always "property rights" if and only if someone is abusing and clames the right?
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Postby Ikand » Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:55 pm

Stormhound wrote:Well it is his business. If he wants to exclude people from entering, more power to him. Doesn't mean you have to agree with what he says, or even accept it.



He doesn't have the right to do that, and is in violation of federal law.

If you want to do business in the marketplace, you have to follow the rules. Simple as that.
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Postby Aurumaquaria » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:37 am

No one is forcing you to give your business to them.

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Postby Regnum Dominae » Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:10 am

Aurumaquaria wrote:No one is forcing you to give your business to them.

Doesn't matter. He does not have the right to deny service based on race, gender, religion, sexuality, what have you.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:18 am

Stormhound wrote:Well it is his business. If he wants to exclude people from entering, more power to him. Doesn't mean you have to agree with what he says, or even accept it.


Ah no. You can bar people from entering your home. You can't with a business open to the public.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:20 am

Aurumaquaria wrote:No one is forcing you to give your business to them.


All that should matter is how you act and you can pay.
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Postby Cascadistan » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:22 am

San wrote:"great whites only"

i'm a hammerhead and i find this offensive


Crap!

So much for us Six-Gillers >:(

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Postby Draica » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:23 am

I do not care what this man does with his business. Government has NO business stepping in and telling him what to do.

The Free market is going to respond and this guy will go OUT of business. I do not agree with his views but I assure you that this guy will not operate for long.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:24 am

Draica wrote:I do not care what this man does with his business. Government has NO business stepping in and telling him what to do.

The Free market is going to respond and this guy will go OUT of business. I do not agree with his views but I assure you that this guy will not operate for long.

Which is why his business has been in operation for 44 years, successful the whole time?
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Postby Draica » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:26 am

Phoenixfox wrote:
Belzia wrote:please be sarscasm, please be sracasm, please be sarcasm...

I'm not saying it's okay to prohibit broad categories of people from your restaurant, because it's not.

What I'm saying is that the owner has the right to ban people from his store if they are detracting from the experience of the other customers by being loud (black people are often guilty of this in the south but so are others), smelly, obnoxious, raggedy in appearance, disrespectful, trouble-starters, etc.



Are you a racist? I'm from Pennsylvania and just go to one of the Harrisburg or Philidelphia ghettos.

Hell, go up to Maine's ghettos, you'll see ALL what you've just described. I live in the south now and most of the blacks I know are nice, respectful people. Ok, so what if they dress a certain way?
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Postby Draica » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:26 am

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Draica wrote:I do not care what this man does with his business. Government has NO business stepping in and telling him what to do.

The Free market is going to respond and this guy will go OUT of business. I do not agree with his views but I assure you that this guy will not operate for long.

Which is why his business has been in operation for 44 years, successful the whole time?



The market has decided, then.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:28 am

Draica wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Which is why his business has been in operation for 44 years, successful the whole time?



The market has decided, then.

And this is a clear example of the market failing to do its job. This is where the government steps in.
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Postby Draica » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:29 am

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Draica wrote:

The market has decided, then.

And this is a clear example of the market failing to do its job. This is where the government steps in.



The Government does not have the authority to step into a private business and telling people how to run it..If they're not doing anything illegal.
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Enemies: Arkania 5, any communist nation, Drakorvanyia.
Wars:

The Draican-Arkanian war: On-going

The Waldensian-Draican-Kiribati Cold War: Won. Dissolution of Communist Government in Waldensia

The Draican-Die erworbenen Namen war: Draica successfully defended, retaliation called off.

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Postby Regnum Dominae » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:31 am

Draica wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:And this is a clear example of the market failing to do its job. This is where the government steps in.



The Government does not have the authority to step into a private business and telling people how to run it..If they're not doing anything illegal.

What this business is doing is illegal.
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