Swiss vote to bring back immigration laws

[Arkinesia]

28% of the electorate forcing their views on the rest of the population? Wow, how democratic!

Look at it the other way round, about 27.5% tried to force their views on the rest of the population.

God help them! They tried to force freedom down the throats of ordinary Swiss! Oh no! Whatever would the people of Switzerland do in reaction to greater freedom?!

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Look at it the other way round, about 27.5% tried to force their views on the rest of the population.

God help them! They tried to force freedom down the throats of ordinary Swiss! Oh no! Whatever would the people of Switzerland do in reaction to greater freedom?!

dem pesky democracies being democratic

[The Revived Sith]

God help them! They tried to force freedom down the throats of ordinary Swiss! Oh no! Whatever would the people of Switzerland do in reaction to greater freedom?!

dem pesky democracies being democratic

How exactly is taking away freedoms being democratic?

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

As usual. The most fervent supporters of these stances will always be the ones who have the least experience of what they actually entail. Rule of thumb: determination is directly proportional with lack of experience

Wait, so you actually agree with him that the ones who voted FOR the quotas knew shit about the consequences of that vote?

Yes.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

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dem pesky democracies being democratic

How exactly is taking away "freedoms" being democratic?

Look up what democracy means and then we'll talk.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

How exactly is taking away freedoms being democratic?

I expected more than 70% of people voting in it.

I honestly think that referenda should have forced comparison mandatory attendance (yep, Portuguese) if they are going to be held at all.

[The Revived Sith]

How exactly is taking away "freedoms" being democratic?

Look up what democracy means and then we'll talk.

Last time I checked, democracy doesn't mean you're allowed to take away people's rights.

[God Kefka]

Why are the poor in your own country more deserving than the poor in other countries? People far away are still people especially when we live in a digital age like ours where a large amount of your money is data in a machine and can there fore be used in pretty much any country on earth.

Well if you were paying taxes and still saw your own people on the street's whilst billions is spent abroad you would be a bit pissed. So I am quite happy the UK International development fund is probably going to be raided to help those suffering from the floods we have had. Those people have paid in now they need help.

Most definitely...

[Luveria]

Look up what democracy means and then we'll talk.

Last time I checked, democracy doesn't mean you're allowed to take away people's rights.

Happens often enough. DOMA.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Look up what democracy means and then we'll talk.

Last time I checked, democracy doesn't mean you're allowed to take away people's rights.

Unrestricted immigration is not a right.

[Olivaero]

There's only so much I personally can do. Collective action by a state is much more powerful than any personal sacrifice I could give there fore it's much more effective for me to argue for more action from my country than it is for me to just go around doing good deeds myself. As to why I'm lecturing you it's because you are obviously in need of a lecture as to why your method of just telling third world countries to fuck off and sort their own problems out is not going to solve anything at all. And by arguing for foreign aid to be reduced actually possibly making things worse.

There is a word for this: moral cowardice, excuses. Have you actually even been to the Third World. And if you were: have you set one foot outside of the resort ?

Collective action be damned - the state is there to serve its own people and no one else. If you want change in the Third World get a plane ticket and go there yourself.

There's a word for attacking a persons character not the argument, It's called Ad hominim. Try and stop doing it to me please. I can do plenty more pushing for Aid budgets increased and arguing for open borders in Europe than I can personally building huts or educating children in Africa.

Also in regards to your other posts I wouldn't mind at all visiting Het or his mouth in Brazil

[God Kefka]

There is a word for this: moral cowardice, excuses. Have you actually even been to the Third World. And if you were: have you set one foot outside of the resort ?

Collective action be damned - the state is there to serve its own people and no one else. If you want change in the Third World get a plane ticket and go there yourself.

There's a word for attacking a persons character not the argument, It's called Ad hominim. Try and stop doing it to me please. I can do plenty more pushing for Aid budgets increased and arguing for open borders in Europe than I can personally building huts or educating children in Africa.

Also in regards to your other posts I wouldn't mind at all visiting Het or his mouth in Brazil

or Europe could deal with Europe's own problems first...

Do you send tons of money to strangers and invite tons of strangers to stay with you when you and your family still have social and economic problems to work through?

Open borders are an invitation to get flooded... and to import the Third World's problems into the First World...

[Olivaero]

There's a word for attacking a persons character not the argument, It's called Ad hominim. Try and stop doing it to me please. I can do plenty more pushing for Aid budgets increased and arguing for open borders in Europe than I can personally building huts or educating children in Africa.

Also in regards to your other posts I wouldn't mind at all visiting Het or his mouth in Brazil

or Europe could deal with Europe's own problems first...

Do you send tons of money to strangers and invite tons of strangers to stay with you when you and your family still have social and economic problems to work through?

Open borders are an invitation to get flooded... and to import the Third World's problems into the First World...

Europe has problems sure. The entire world has problems. once again your drawing Arbitrary lines "these peoples problems are our problems these others aren't our problems"

[God Kefka]

or Europe could deal with Europe's own problems first...

Do you send tons of money to strangers and invite tons of strangers to stay with you when you and your family still have social and economic problems to work through?

Open borders are an invitation to get flooded... and to import the Third World's problems into the First World...

Europe has problems sure. The entire world has problems. once again your drawing Arbitrary lines "these peoples problems are our problems these others aren't our problems"

they declared Independence from Europe, now let them pay the price.

They drew those lines first... they chose to follow populists who ran their countries into the ground instead of trusting Europe.

[Olivaero]

Europe has problems sure. The entire world has problems. once again your drawing Arbitrary lines "these peoples problems are our problems these others aren't our problems"

they declared Independence from Europe, now let them pay the price.

They drew those lines first... they chose to follow populists who ran their countries into the ground instead of trusting Europe.

So what? We weren't fucking helping them when they were colonies either. Unless you count "Exploiting for resources" as helping.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

they declared Independence from Europe, now let them pay the price.

They drew those lines first... they chose to follow populists who ran their countries into the ground instead of trusting Europe.

So what? We weren't fucking helping them when they were colonies either. Unless you count "Exploiting for resources" as helping.

Because obviously Switzerland is famous for its' broad colonial past

[Neu Leonstein]

Because obviously Switzerland is famous for its' broad colonial past

It's pretty obvious that God Kefka wasn't talking about Switzerland then, considering that most of the immigrants into Switzerland are highly educated Europeans (though you'd never know it listening to the SVP). Still, what he said was sufficient nuts not to be left unanswered, in this thread or anywhere else.

[Mkuki]

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26108597

Swiss voters have narrowly backed a referendum proposal to bring back strict quotas for immigration from European Union countries.

Final results showed 50.3% voted in favour. The vote invalidates the Swiss-EU agreement on freedom of movement.

Fuck yeah! Finally we can reinstate the systematic checks at the Italian-Swiss borders and get all those bloody tax evaders who carry cash and gold into the Swiss banks!

You really think authorities are going to go after the real wealthy tax evaders? Sounds optimistic to me.

[Ralkovia]

So you deny democracy. Thanks.

Hold on a sec... The referendum was accepted with 50.3% of the votes, but how high was the turnout? Apparently only 56%.
http://www.dw.de/swiss-voters-narrowly- ... a-17420367
In other words, the referendum was accepted by 50.3% of 56% of the electorate. So in reality, only a little more than 28% of the electorate voted in favour of this referendum.
I am not amused.

28% of the electorate forcing their views on the rest of the population? Wow, how democratic!

Oh please.

So I'm going to divert from my original point about how Hetalian would ignore a democratic vote because he didn't like how it turned out and address your point.
1) Voting isn't compulsory.
2) Not choosing to vote is the same thing as voting. As long as the Swiss Government or any other organization didn't prevent people from voting then it counts.
3) Do you have any fucking clue how democracy works? I'm going to guess not. I don't really have the time to explain the whole process, but if only 50 people showed up in a population of 100, then 26 is the majority needed to pass a law. Only in a few places does there need to be a minimum pop and as long as it was transparent then that's all that's needed. If the people don't like it, they have another referendum.

[Arkinesia]

Last time I checked, democracy doesn't mean you're allowed to take away people's rights.

Unrestricted immigration is not a right.

Well then I'd say Soviet-era Russia is right for you! Soviet-era Albania required people who were leaving their town of residence to be accompanied by political escort. Who needs pesky “freedom of movement”? Shit's lame, yo.

[Estado Paulista]

1) No, I have no idea. How many?
2) Source?

It's quite a few since it's expensive to get citizenship so it's normal having people work there but don't have citizenship.

Just check on the country itself since BUS, Streets have placards to watchout with pickpokects, assaults and recently it's becoming more common to have Houses robbed.

I Have family there and they say the samething I experienced there.

Is your family contributing to the increase in crime?

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Unrestricted immigration is not a right.

Well then I'd say Soviet-era Russia is right for you! Soviet-era Albania required people who were leaving their town of residence to be accompanied by political escort.

Oh really? Good thing you told me, I would have never guessed.

Who needs pesky “freedom of movement”?

In your interpretation? No one sane, that's sure.

After the end of hostilities in World War II, the United Nations was established on October 24, 1945. The new international organization recognized the importance of freedom of movement through documents such as the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (1966). Article 13 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, adopted by the U.N. General Assembly, reads,
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each State.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.
Article 12 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights incorporates this right into treaty law:
(1) Everyone lawfully within the territory of a State shall, within that territory, have the right to liberty of movement and freedom to choose his residence.
(2) Everyone shall be free to leave any country, including his own.
(3) The above-mentioned rights shall not be subject to any restrictions except those provided by law, are necessary to protect national security, public order (ordre public), public health or morals or the rights and freedoms of others, and are consistent with the other rights recognized in the present Covenant.
(4) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of the right to enter his own country.
The ICCPR entered into force for the initial ratifying states on 23 March 1976, and for additional states following their ratification. In 1999, the U.N. Human Rights Committee, which is charged with interpreting the treaty, issued its guidelines for Article 12 of the ICCPR in its "General Comment No. 27: Freedom of Movement".

[Free Tristania]

So what? We weren't fucking helping them when they were colonies either. Unless you count "Exploiting for resources" as helping.

Because obviously Switzerland is famous for its' broad colonial past

And also that "colonial" story can be killed off quite easily. In the Netherlands a lot of immigrants are from Turkey and Morocco. We didn't have any colonies there.

[Sol Nascente]

It's quite a few since it's expensive to get citizenship so it's normal having people work there but don't have citizenship.

Just check on the country itself since BUS, Streets have placards to watchout with pickpokects, assaults and recently it's becoming more common to have Houses robbed.

I Have family there and they say the samething I experienced there.

Is your family contributing to the increase in crime?

They work there no need to commit crime.

[Equusia]

Damn, there goes my hopes of moving to Switzerland...

So it is official, Switzerland is too good of a country to live in so they have to stop people from moving in.

Jokes aside, this is a Swiss law and if the Swiss people want to stop people from immigrating more power to them.