Swiss vote to bring back immigration laws

[Geilinor]

This is the problem with Socialism. Law-enforced generosity stops being generosity.

But what do we know, of course the evil capitalist system only benefits the stinkin rich whitey who has invariably inherited all his wealth (which is impossible by the way since it couldn't have simply appeared out of nowhere and assuming it did it would've ran out someday) and is only looking to line his hungry pockets with even more zionist gold from the sweat and tears of the unsuspecting, unawoken proletariat - and never, ever, give back anything, at all, ever. Did I mention ever?

Ask Warren Buffet for example, he knows full well.

Where does socialism enter into this? The EU and immigration are not left-right issues. Center-rightists can support the EU and economically right-wing libertarians can support more immigration.

[Olivaero]

There's only so much I personally can do. Collective action by a state is much more powerful than any personal sacrifice I could give there fore it's much more effective for me to argue for more action from my country than it is for me to just go around doing good deeds myself. As to why I'm lecturing you it's because you are obviously in need of a lecture as to why your method of just telling third world countries to fuck off and sort their own problems out is not going to solve anything at all. And by arguing for foreign aid to be reduced actually possibly making things worse.

The developed world has no obligation towards Third World countries...

I'll pay taxes to help the poor in my own country, but not for people far far away...

and they did ask for independence so... they get what they ask for.

If they want help they can re-apply for colonization... but we could refuse.

Why are the poor in your own country more deserving than the poor in other countries? People far away are still people especially when we live in a digital age like ours where a large amount of your money is data in a machine and can there fore be used in pretty much any country on earth.

[God Kefka]

The developed world has no obligation towards Third World countries...

I'll pay taxes to help the poor in my own country, but not for people far far away...

and they did ask for independence so... they get what they ask for.

If they want help they can re-apply for colonization... but we could refuse.

Why are the poor in your own country more deserving than the poor in other countries? People far away are still people especially when we live in a digital age like ours where a large amount of your money is data in a machine and can there fore be used in pretty much any country on earth.

They insisted on having a different flag... and so that absolves us from responsibility. Now they must pay the price...

If it's such a big deal for them, they can apply to be colonized again.

[EUstan]

Awww.. Evil Swiss, how dare you to vote against multi-culturalism and immigration?

[EUstan]

Well, not a sensible move, but Switzerland does have one of the most transparently democratic political systems in the world.

As far as I know, a good chunk of Swiss racism is actually directed at high-educated German expats, not necessarily at poor Asian/African immigrants. This seems to be what this referendum was mainly about.

Switzerland is maybe the only true democracy, as there is no liberal elites who says to people to vote how they want.

[Free Tristania]

Why not go there to help them yourself instead of lecturing us ?

There's only so much I personally can do. Collective action by a state is much more powerful than any personal sacrifice I could give there fore it's much more effective for me to argue for more action from my country than it is for me to just go around doing good deeds myself. As to why I'm lecturing you it's because you are obviously in need of a lecture as to why your method of just telling third world countries to fuck off and sort their own problems out is not going to solve anything at all. And by arguing for foreign aid to be reduced actually possibly making things worse.

There is a word for this: moral cowardice, excuses. Have you actually even been to the Third World. And if you were: have you set one foot outside of the resort ?

Collective action be damned - the state is there to serve its own people and no one else. If you want change in the Third World get a plane ticket and go there yourself.

[The Nihilistic view]

Self determination, it's the course more people wanted. So good for them.

[Free Tristania]

There's only so much I personally can do. Collective action by a state is much more powerful than any personal sacrifice I could give there fore it's much more effective for me to argue for more action from my country than it is for me to just go around doing good deeds myself. As to why I'm lecturing you it's because you are obviously in need of a lecture as to why your method of just telling third world countries to fuck off and sort their own problems out is not going to solve anything at all. And by arguing for foreign aid to be reduced actually possibly making things worse.

The developed world has no obligation towards Third World countries...

I'll pay taxes to help the poor in my own country, but not for people far far away...

and they did ask for independence so... they get what they ask for.

If they want help they can re-apply for colonization... but we could refuse.

And we damn well should refuse. We've had colonies for over 350 years. Surinam had been costing us since the late 18th century and still continues to cost after the 1975 independence. After that they had corruption and one coup d'etat after an another and when they were finally done with that: drug trafficking, other crimes and good old corruption. When they became independent we gave them 3 billion guilders - on top of the existing funds to clear off and build up their economy and guess what happened to the money ? Spent on further developing the road network or the mines and on that port at Apoera ? Off it went to Swiss bank accounts.. In today's money that would be well over 10 billion euro's. The Netherlands Antilles ? Boy - would we be glad to get rid of them already.

The only decent colonies that we ever had were South Africa (lost to the Brits in 1795) and Indonesia (lost in 1949). And we can be very glad to be rid off them now looking at how they turned out.

[Free Tristania]

Self determination, it's the course more people wanted. So good for them.

Exactly. They wanted their independence - they got it and they should deal with it.

[Luveria]

This is against the spirit of the EU.

[Free Tristania]

This is against the spirit of the EU.

They are not in the EU. And the EU is about to be slaughtered anyway. There are elections coming up and it seems that a lot of votes will go to eurosceptic parties.

[Free Tristania]

Olivaero - since you're so keen on helping the Third World I decided to take a quick look on skyscanner.nl. Here are the flights to the Democratic Republic of the Congo - to be more precise to Kinshasa, where you can find your haven: http://www.skyscanner.nl/transport/vluc ... html?rtn=1

There are plenty of poor third worlders that need help until they start butchering again in the next dictatorship, coup d'etat, civil war or what have you. Ituri Province would be particularly interesting as it's a right little hellhole.

Bon voyage !

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Olivaero - since you're so keen on helping the Third World I decided to take a quick look on skyscanner.nl. Here are the flights to the Democratic Republic of the Congo - to be more precise to Kinshasa, where you can find your haven: http://www.skyscanner.nl/transport/vluc ... html?rtn=1

Bon voyage !

No, I love Oliver's presence, it brings light and sweetness to the forum!

[Free Tristania]

Olivaero - since you're so keen on helping the Third World I decided to take a quick look on skyscanner.nl. Here are the flights to the Democratic Republic of the Congo - to be more precise to Kinshasa, where you can find your haven: http://www.skyscanner.nl/transport/vluc ... html?rtn=1

Bon voyage !

No, I love Oliver's presence, it brings light and sweetness to the forum!

He needs to put his money where his mouth is.. Instead of my money.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

He needs to put his money where his mouth is.. Instead of my money.

Bring him to the home and the mouth of this little third worlder then... Oopsie

[Free Tristania]

He needs to put his money where his mouth is.. Instead of my money.

Bring him to the home and the mouth of this little third worlder then... Oopsie

Yes.. and that's why I looked for a quick flight to Kinshasa, Africa. So I can help him on his way. He just needs to pay the fee and get going.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Bring him to the home and the mouth of this little third worlder then... Oopsie

Yes.. and that's why I looked for a quick flight to Kinshasa, Africa. So I can help him on his way. He just needs to pay the fee and get going.

I'm from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.

[Arkinesia]

Immigration restrictions are restrictions on the right to freedom of movement, and are therefore a moral wrong.

The end.

[Free Tristania]

Yes.. and that's why I looked for a quick flight to Kinshasa, Africa. So I can help him on his way. He just needs to pay the fee and get going.

I'm from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.

Plenty of favela's around for him to work in but he would get too sunny a view of the third world since he would never make it off Copacabana. I know the type.

[The Nihilistic view]

The developed world has no obligation towards Third World countries...

I'll pay taxes to help the poor in my own country, but not for people far far away...

and they did ask for independence so... they get what they ask for.

If they want help they can re-apply for colonization... but we could refuse.

Why are the poor in your own country more deserving than the poor in other countries? People far away are still people especially when we live in a digital age like ours where a large amount of your money is data in a machine and can there fore be used in pretty much any country on earth.

Well if you were paying taxes and still saw your own people on the street's whilst billions is spent abroad you would be a bit pissed. So I am quite happy the UK International development fund is probably going to be raided to help those suffering from the floods we have had. Those people have paid in now they need help.

[Luveria]

This is against the spirit of the EU.

They are not in the EU. And the EU is about to be slaughtered anyway. There are elections coming up and it seems that a lot of votes will go to eurosceptic parties.

That does not mean there aren't complications from it.

Final results showed 50.3% voted in favour. The vote invalidates the Swiss-EU agreement on freedom of movement.

Fiercely independent Switzerland is not a member of the EU, but has adopted large sections of EU policy.

Brussels said it regretted the outcome of the vote and would examine its implications.

A Yes vote of more than 50% was needed for the referendum to pass.

The BBC's Imogen Foulkes in Geneva says the vote has shown up traditional divisions, with French-speaking areas against the quotas, German-speaking regions divided, and the Italian-speaking canton of Ticino firmly in favour.

A Yes vote means Swiss ministers will have some tricky explaining to do in Brussels, our correspondent says.

[The Nihilistic view]

Immigration restrictions are restrictions on the right to freedom of movement, and are therefore a moral wrong.

The end.

Moral's are subjective and therefore are irrelevant. There is no right either.

The End.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

I'm from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.

Plenty of favela's around for him to work in but he would get too sunny a view of the third world since he would never make it off Copacabana. I know the type.

My house is deep into the periphery enough and I would work to hold him here.

(and the HDI of metropolitan Rio de Janeiro is really Eastern European-like so meh, not really underdeveloped, just terribly badly-administered.)

[Free Tristania]

They are not in the EU. And the EU is about to be slaughtered anyway. There are elections coming up and it seems that a lot of votes will go to eurosceptic parties.

That does not mean there aren't complications from it.

Final results showed 50.3% voted in favour. The vote invalidates the Swiss-EU agreement on freedom of movement.

Fiercely independent Switzerland is not a member of the EU, but has adopted large sections of EU policy.

Brussels said it regretted the outcome of the vote and would examine its implications.

A Yes vote of more than 50% was needed for the referendum to pass.

The BBC's Imogen Foulkes in Geneva says the vote has shown up traditional divisions, with French-speaking areas against the quotas, German-speaking regions divided, and the Italian-speaking canton of Ticino firmly in favour.

A Yes vote means Swiss ministers will have some tricky explaining to do in Brussels, our correspondent says.

Brussels cannot afford making more enemies.

[Free Tristania]

Plenty of favela's around for him to work in but he would get too sunny a view of the third world since he would never make it off Copacabana. I know the type.

My house is deep into the periphery enough and I would work to hold him here.

(and the HDI of metropolitan Rio de Janeiro is really Eastern European-like so meh, not really underdeveloped, just terribly badly-administered.)

Meh. I prefer to ship him off to the Congo. He wants to see the classical Third World. Let's give him one hell of an education.