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Postby Kingdom of Israel » Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:33 pm

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Karelli wrote:
Israel is the MOST diverse nation on Earth.

You are more European then anything else, thanks to your relatives immigrating in 1920s/30s/40s etc

Yes, very European. (If you didn't understand, this is a pre-Independence song written by an "Ashkenazi" Jew and sung by "Ashkenazi" Jews).
At the 70s the Americanization begun, but before that it was very non-Western like.

Another very European Israeli song:
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Postby Shnercropolis » Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:34 pm

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European Socialist Republic wrote:But that's not insulting. That's simply him telling us sheeple the truth. :roll:

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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:35 pm

Satanic Socialist States wrote:
European Socialist Republic wrote:But that's not insulting. That's simply him telling us sheeple the truth. :roll:
Sheeple? No, most people know the truth. Why do you think anti-Islam euroskeptics are getting astonishing results in polls? Just look at Geert Wilders, top of the polls! It is just a few leftists who don't seem to realize what is happening.

We realize people are racist, ignorant, bigoted and alarmist, we just don't give a fuck about what they think or want.
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:35 pm

Satanic Socialist States wrote:
European Socialist Republic wrote:But that's not insulting. That's simply him telling us sheeple the truth. :roll:
Sheeple? No, most people know the truth. Why do you think anti-Islam euroskeptics are getting astonishing results in polls? Just look at Geert Wilders, top of the polls! It is just a few leftists who don't seem to realize what is happening.

Nah, Wilders is a loon. Alot of people just support him because they're angry with the economy, not because they're afraid of "dem ebul muzlums".
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Postby Estado Paulista » Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:35 pm

Satanic Socialist States wrote:
European Socialist Republic wrote:But that's not insulting. That's simply him telling us sheeple the truth. :roll:
Sheeple? No, most people know the truth. Why do you think anti-Islam euroskeptics are getting astonishing results in polls? Just look at Geert Wilders, top of the polls! It is just a few leftists who don't seem to realize what is happening.


I think you're being a little over enthusiastic. They're not getting "astonishing results in polls" and nothing seems to be happening.
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Postby Arglorand » Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:36 pm

Shnercropolis wrote:
Arglorand wrote:I'm not going to deny that I infinitesimally prefer my PC to any given console.

I don't own any consoles.

I only own the one inbuilt in my copy of Skyrim. For the PC. The one you bring up with a tilde key.
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Postby Shnercropolis » Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:36 pm

Well, this sort of voting result can only be due to the efforts of the worldwide communist conspiracy.
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Postby Satanic Socialist States » Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:36 pm

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Satanic Socialist States wrote:Sheeple? No, most people know the truth. Why do you think anti-Islam euroskeptics are getting astonishing results in polls? Just look at Geert Wilders, top of the polls! It is just a few leftists who don't seem to realize what is happening.

We realize people are racist, ignorant, bigoted and alarmist, we just don't give a fuck about what they want.
More PC lefty multiculturalist attacks. The people don't want to see Islam take away their freedom. You are just proving me right.
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Postby Satanic Socialist States » Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:37 pm

Shnercropolis wrote:Well, this sort of voting result can only be due to the efforts of the worldwide communist conspiracy.
A far-rightist Islamist like yourself would think that.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:40 pm

Kingdom of Israel wrote:
Karelli wrote:
Israel is the MOST diverse nation on Earth.

You are more European then anything else, thanks to your relatives immigrating in 1920s/30s/40s etc

Yes, very European. (If you didn't understand, this is a pre-Independence song written by an "Ashkenazi" Jew and sung by "Ashkenazi" Jews).
At the 70s the Americanization begun, but before that it was very non-Western like.

If any more Americanization comes we shall make Israel a state.
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:40 pm

Satanic Socialist States wrote:
Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:We realize people are racist, ignorant, bigoted and alarmist, we just don't give a fuck about what they want.
More PC lefty multiculturalist attacks. The people don't want to see Islam take away their freedom. You are just proving me right.

Source for Muslims in Europe taking away our freedoms?
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:40 pm

Satanic Socialist States wrote:More PC lefty multiculturalist attacks. The people don't want to see Islam take away their freedom. You are just proving me right.

Hmmm, no, Islam doesn't represent a threat in the Americas. It never did.

Only European societies are managing to make second generation hyphenated nationals more bigoted, conservative and fundamentalistic than their immigrating parents exactly because you people are overreacting to them and acting like they are dirty maggots, rather than investing in their education and stuff.
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Postby DnalweN acilbupeR » Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:44 pm

What I or you think is largely irrelevant, the Swiss have spoken. It is their right to govern their land as they see fit, not of some supranational union they're not even a part of.

/endthread
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Postby Shnercropolis » Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:44 pm

Satanic Socialist States wrote:
Shnercropolis wrote:Well, this sort of voting result can only be due to the efforts of the worldwide communist conspiracy.
A far-rightist Islamist like yourself would think that.

Riiiiiight :roll:
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Postby Rubisco » Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:45 pm

It's democracy. I believe in democracy and I understand that democracy not always means freedom. Democracy is the freedom of choosing what the majority wants, under two condition: the election must be able to be undone by democracy and the election cannot be morally reprehensible.

By the way , I don't know what I had voted if I were Swiss.

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Postby Geilinor » Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:46 pm

Satanic Socialist States wrote:
Divair wrote:They make up approximately 2% of the population of the EU. And since most of them are lower class, they wouldn't immigrate to Switzerland, which has an incredibly high cost of living.
They are quickly increasing.

Depends on the specific area in question, but Muslims aren't going to everywhere in the EU.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:52 pm

DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:What I or you think is largely irrelevant, the Swiss have spoken. It is their right to govern their land as they see fit, not of some supranational union they're not even a part of.

/endthread

Unless the EU takes this as a threat and invades.
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Postby Shaggai » Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:52 pm

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Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:We realize people are racist, ignorant, bigoted and alarmist, we just don't give a fuck about what they want.
More PC lefty multiculturalist attacks. The people don't want to see Islam take away their freedom. You are just proving me right.

Sources? For anything? Especially sources that don't have the word "Islam", "Religion", or "Multiculturalism" in the URLs?
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Postby Flyover » Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:53 pm

Satanic Socialist States wrote:
Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:We realize people are racist, ignorant, bigoted and alarmist, we just don't give a fuck about what they want.
More PC lefty multiculturalist attacks. The people don't want to see Islam take away their freedom. You are just proving me right.


I don't think anybody actually is this racist... Right? Whatever. I'll bite:

Muslims all clearly hate freedom. Which is why they staged the Arab Spring AGAINST dictatorships. Obvytotes. Quid Pro Quo. Muslims clearly hate freedom so much they purposely create it to presumably destroy again.
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Postby Shnercropolis » Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:54 pm

greed and death wrote:
DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:What I or you think is largely irrelevant, the Swiss have spoken. It is their right to govern their land as they see fit, not of some supranational union they're not even a part of.

/endthread

Unless the EU takes this as a threat and invades.

Right, because the EU is well known for its military prowess, and Switzerland is well known for losing wars.
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Postby Satanic Socialist States » Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:54 pm

Flyover wrote:
Satanic Socialist States wrote:More PC lefty multiculturalist attacks. The people don't want to see Islam take away their freedom. You are just proving me right.


I don't think anybody actually is this racist... Right? Whatever. I'll bite:

Muslims all clearly hate freedom. Which is why they staged the Arab Spring AGAINST dictatorships. Obvytotes. Quid Pro Quo. Muslims clearly hate freedom so much they purposely create it to presumably destroy again.
Complete strawman. I never said all Moslems hate freedom. Clearly many of them do though.
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Postby Flyover » Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:57 pm

Satanic Socialist States wrote:
Flyover wrote:
I don't think anybody actually is this racist... Right? Whatever. I'll bite:

Muslims all clearly hate freedom. Which is why they staged the Arab Spring AGAINST dictatorships. Obvytotes. Quid Pro Quo. Muslims clearly hate freedom so much they purposely create it to presumably destroy again.
Complete strawman. I never said all Moslems hate freedom. Clearly many of them do though.


I'm sure many do. I'm also sure many Europeans do. Unless most of the immigrants into Europe can clearly be proven to hate freedom; I don't see how you can really make that argument.
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:58 pm

greed and death wrote:
DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:What I or you think is largely irrelevant, the Swiss have spoken. It is their right to govern their land as they see fit, not of some supranational union they're not even a part of.

/endthread

Unless the EU takes this as a threat and invades.

The Eurocorps is already on its way. The EU Battlegroups will join it soon.
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Postby DnalweN acilbupeR » Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:58 pm

I find it rather hypocritical how left-wingers are adamant supporters of regulation, yet somehow this powerful drive does not apply for "external" regulation, for lack of a better term.

Someone please explain this to me.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:00 pm

DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:I find it rather hypocritical how left-wingers are adamant supporters of regulation, yet somehow this powerful drive does not apply for "external" regulation, for lack of a better term.

Someone please explain this to me.

What?
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