Schappelle, Spying & Refugees, Australia-Indonesia Thread

[Australian rePublic]

Because we spend money there, we're allowed to soil it?

Then again, that does seem to be the attitude back home most friday and saturday nights too.

Don't kid yourself. What goes on in Bali is something they've played a part in creating as much as the people who visited have. If they had a real problem with Australian tourist behavior over there and it was more important to them than the quick bucks it brings in,they'd be nowhere near as accommodating for it as they are, at all levels of government.

Very true. But why would anyone visit Bali, or any part of Indonesia for that matter? It's poor, it's dirty, they hate us, they're corrupt, the food is not safe, it's drug ridden, and that's only the half of it. At this rate, if flying to Europe or Asia, I would specifically choose an airline who's flight path does not go over Indonesia, in case of a crash

[Australian rePublic]

The media's reaction to the whole Schapelle Corby thing has never failed to piss me off. The only reason anyone cares about her is because she's white and has big boobs. They conveniently ignore the fact that she's a convicted criminal, who had a piss weak defence. I have no sympathy for her whatsoever.

[Australian rePublic]

Just want to throw something out there. How would the world react t ALL of the issues brought up in this thread if Australia was America?

[Herador]

Just want to throw something out there. How would the world react if Australia was America?

There'd probably be more sarcasm in this thread.

[Australian rePublic]

Just want to throw something out there. How would the world react if Australia was America?

There'd probably be more sarcasm in this thread.

Hmmm...

[Vitaphone Racing]

Don't kid yourself. What goes on in Bali is something they've played a part in creating as much as the people who visited have. If they had a real problem with Australian tourist behavior over there and it was more important to them than the quick bucks it brings in,they'd be nowhere near as accommodating for it as they are, at all levels of government.

Very true. But why would anyone visit Bali, or any part of Indonesia for that matter? It's poor, it's dirty, they hate us, they're corrupt, the food is not safe, it's drug ridden, and that's only the half of it. At this rate, if flying to Europe or Asia, I would specifically choose an airline who's flight path does not go over Indonesia, in case of a crash

Because it's cheap. Bali is sold as a tourist destination on the basis that it's one big beach party with cheap drinks, cheap accommodation, cheap food, cheap souvenir knock-off sunglasses and t-shirts and a carefree atmosphere, very much like Phuket or Koh Samui in that aspect. 7 days in Bali is often cheaper than 7 days on the Gold Coast.

[Respawn]

Eh, maybe back in the day. But I wouldn't touch her with a ten foot pole, considering she's probably had to eat out half of Kerobokan Prison to avoid getting stabbed.

Eewww but you I did specify is/was a pretty white girl, and well context is important too, but Eeeww

Yeah, it isn't a pleasant thought.

I have never understood Australia's obsession with travelling to Bali. At this point I could make a crude joke about the fish there being literally to die for, but I'll restrain myself.

[Respawn]

Just want to throw something out there. How would the world react t ALL of the issues brought up in this thread if Australia was America?

Two words: Amanda Knox.

Is it just me, or do Anglo countries think that their citizens are always upstanding angels and should be exempt from the law whenever they go overseas?

[Vitaphone Racing]

Just want to throw something out there. How would the world react t ALL of the issues brought up in this thread if Australia was America?

Two words: Amanda Knox.

Is it just me, or do Anglo countries think that their citizens are always upstanding angels and should be exempt from the law whenever they go overseas?

I think we're just gullible. Exactly zero fucks were given about the obviously guilty Bali Nine.

[Australian rePublic]

Very true. But why would anyone visit Bali, or any part of Indonesia for that matter? It's poor, it's dirty, they hate us, they're corrupt, the food is not safe, it's drug ridden, and that's only the half of it. At this rate, if flying to Europe or Asia, I would specifically choose an airline who's flight path does not go over Indonesia, in case of a crash

Because it's cheap.

Is a shitty destination worth it?
Bali is sold as a tourist destination on the basis that it's one big beach party with cheap drinks, cheap accommodation, cheap food, cheap souvenir knock-off sunglasses and t-shirts
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Hmmm...

and a carefree atmosphere

, very much like Phuket or Koh Samui in that aspect.

And out of those three places, you have to choose the nation that hates us?

7 days in Bali is often cheaper than 7 days on the Gold Coast.

Like I said, is shittyness worth it?

[Vitaphone Racing]

Because it's cheap.

Is a shitty destination worth it?
Bali is sold as a tourist destination on the basis that it's one big beach party with cheap drinks, cheap accommodation, cheap food, cheap souvenir knock-off sunglasses and t-shirts

Hmmm...

and a carefree atmosphere

, very much like Phuket or Koh Samui in that aspect.

And out of those three places, you have to choose the nation that hates us?

7 days in Bali is often cheaper than 7 days on the Gold Coast.

Like I said, is shittyness worth it?

You could always ask the thousands of Australians which visit one of those three places every year.

[Herador]

Just want to throw something out there. How would the world react t ALL of the issues brought up in this thread if Australia was America?

Two words: Amanda Knox.

Is it just me, or do Anglo countries think that their citizens are always upstanding angels and should be exempt from the law whenever they go overseas?

I admit I may not have a perfect grasp on this situation, but it seems like this Shappelle business is a little different to Knox's trial. There was a pretty big split in the US (from what I recall) between those who did think she killed Kercher, those who think she didn't, and those who just couldn't decide, from what I can tell in this thread, it seems like a pretty big portion of Australians think this lady did nothing at all wrong.

[Respawn]

Two words: Amanda Knox.

Is it just me, or do Anglo countries think that their citizens are always upstanding angels and should be exempt from the law whenever they go overseas?

I think we're just gullible. Exactly zero fucks were given about the obviously guilty Bali Nine.

And let's not forget about Van Nguyen.

"An opinion poll conducted by Roy Morgan Research two days after Nguyen's execution showed 52% of Australians approved of it, compared with 44% against.[21]"

I doubt the reaction would have been the same if Corby was executed.

[Australian rePublic]

Eewww but you I did specify is/was a pretty white girl, and well context is important too, but Eeeww

I have never understood Australia's obsession with travelling to Bali.

Neither have I. Personally, I wouldn't touch Bali with a ten-foot pole

At this point I could make a crude joke about the fish there being literally to die for, but I'll restrain myself.

I don't know how to react to this

[Australian rePublic]

Just want to throw something out there. How would the world react t ALL of the issues brought up in this thread if Australia was America?

Two words: Amanda Knox.

Never heard of her

Is it just me, or do Anglo countries think that their citizens are always upstanding angels and should be exempt from the law whenever they go overseas?

[Australian rePublic]

Two words: Amanda Knox.

Is it just me, or do Anglo countries think that their citizens are always upstanding angels and should be exempt from the law whenever they go overseas?

I think we're just gullible. Exactly zero fucks were given about the obviously guilty Bali Nine.

[Herador]

Two words: Amanda Knox.

Never heard of her

The short version of the story is she was an American woman who was sent to trial and convicted for killing another woman while studying abroad in Italy, though the conviction was overturned in 2011 (I believe).

[Australian rePublic]

One thing I don't get is how you could just place 5 kilograms of anything in a boogyboard bag without statigically packing it. Another thing I don't understand is why would anyone shove 5kg of any drug into a bag?

[Respawn]

Two words: Amanda Knox.

Is it just me, or do Anglo countries think that their citizens are always upstanding angels and should be exempt from the law whenever they go overseas?

I admit I may not have a perfect grasp on this situation, but it seems like this Shappelle business is a little different to Knox's trial. There was a pretty big split in the US (from what I recall) between those who did think she killed Kercher, those who think she didn't, and those who just couldn't decide, from what I can tell in this thread, it seems like a pretty big portion of Australians think this lady did nothing at all wrong.

Oh, pretty much everyone knew Schap-lol was guilty. She didn't even make an attempt to hide the marijuana in her body-board bag. They just didn't think that she should be locked up in Indonesia for some reason.

Of course the media was sympathetic to the crying young girl and made it looked like the Indonesian meanies were picking on a poor little hick from Queensland. But as a whole, most Australians were/are opposed to Asia's insanely tough drug laws (unless of course, you're Van Nguyen).

[Australian rePublic]

Never heard of her

The short version of the story is she was an American woman who was sent to trial and convicted for killing another woman while studying abroad in Italy, though the conviction was overturned in 2011 (I believe).

When was this?

[Australian rePublic]

Two words: Amanda Knox.

Is it just me, or do Anglo countries think that their citizens are always upstanding angels and should be exempt from the law whenever they go overseas?

I admit I may not have a perfect grasp on this situation, but it seems like this Shappelle business is a little different to Knox's trial. There was a pretty big split in the US (from what I recall) between those who did think she killed Kercher, those who think she didn't, and those who just couldn't decide, from what I can tell in this thread, it seems like a pretty big portion of Australians think this lady did nothing at all wrong.

Oh believe me, there is the same gap

[Herador]

I admit I may not have a perfect grasp on this situation, but it seems like this Shappelle business is a little different to Knox's trial. There was a pretty big split in the US (from what I recall) between those who did think she killed Kercher, those who think she didn't, and those who just couldn't decide, from what I can tell in this thread, it seems like a pretty big portion of Australians think this lady did nothing at all wrong.

Oh, pretty much everyone knew Schap-lol was guilty. She didn't even make an attempt to hide the marijuana in her body-board bag. They just didn't think that she should be locked up in Indonesia for some reason.

Of course the media was sympathetic to the crying young girl and made it looked like the Indonesian meanies were picking on a poor little hick from Queensland. But as a whole, most Australians were/are opposed to Asia's insanely tough drug laws (unless of course, you're Van Nguyen).

Ah, ok, I follow you now.

When was this?

2009, and here's the relevant wikipedia article if you're interested.

[Australian rePublic]

I admit I may not have a perfect grasp on this situation, but it seems like this Shappelle business is a little different to Knox's trial. There was a pretty big split in the US (from what I recall) between those who did think she killed Kercher, those who think she didn't, and those who just couldn't decide, from what I can tell in this thread, it seems like a pretty big portion of Australians think this lady did nothing at all wrong.

Oh, pretty much everyone knew Schap-lol was guilty. She didn't even make an attempt to hide the marijuana in her body-board bag. They just didn't think that she should be locked up in Indonesia for some reason.

Of course the media was sympathetic to the crying young girl and made it looked like the Indonesian meanies were picking on a poor little hick from Queensland.

But as a whole, most Australians were/are opposed to Asia's insanely tough drug laws (unless of course, you're Van Nguyen).

yes, but if you go to that country, you're under their laws

[Australian rePublic]

Oh, pretty much everyone knew Schap-lol was guilty. She didn't even make an attempt to hide the marijuana in her body-board bag. They just didn't think that she should be locked up in Indonesia for some reason.

Of course the media was sympathetic to the crying young girl and made it looked like the Indonesian meanies were picking on a poor little hick from Queensland. But as a whole, most Australians were/are opposed to Asia's insanely tough drug laws (unless of course, you're Van Nguyen).

Ah, ok, I follow you now.

When was this?

2009, and here's the relevant wikipedia article if you're interested.

Ah, okay

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Very true. But why would anyone visit Bali, or any part of Indonesia for that matter? It's poor, it's dirty, they hate us, they're corrupt, the food is not safe, it's drug ridden, and that's only the half of it. At this rate, if flying to Europe or Asia, I would specifically choose an airline who's flight path does not go over Indonesia, in case of a crash

I'm told Singapore and Brunei are awesome, and even though Timor-Leste is Oceania's little African failed state, it is much more Western-friendly.

The more oceanic island states also seem way more interesting.

Meh, our Western pond should be much tighter~ As a kid I always found Oceania the most interesting continent.