Schappelle, Spying & Refugees, Australia-Indonesia Thread

[Australian rePublic]

Okay, so Schappelle Corby, according to the media, the only Australia to be in an Indonesian prison, may or may not get released on bail within the next half hour. I don't get it, why is the media so concerned with this and being so one-sided about hed innocence, and keppimg her in prison is hurting Australia? Seriously? You go to a foreign country, you break that country's laws, you get prosecuted by that country. It IS that simple. I agree with Abbott on the issue that it's not Australia's job to involve herself in the happenimgs of Indonesia.

(Yes, I know that this issue is a bit old) Australia has had bad relations with Indonesia lately because of Australia's spying on Indonesia. Seriously, you can't blame Abbott for sping on you. Why doesn't Rudd appologise? He was the one who was doing it

I also agree with Australia sending boats back to Indonesia. Alot of asylum seekers are coming from, or via, your nation. You should stop them, and if you don't we will.

I also can't see why Australia can't blackmail Indonesia with foreign aid.

If you care to buy into these issues, or any other issue involving the relationship between Australia and Indonesia, here is the place to post it

(Yes, the thread title is a rip-off of the Winter Olympics one)

[Meowfoundland]

Schapelle Corby probably smuggled that marijuana and playing a "poor little innocent Australian girl" act did her no favours in my view. She knew what she was getting into. I don't agree with the long sentences and shitty prisons, but Schapelle brought it on herself.

Abbott should have apologised for the spying incident because he represents the Australian Government. Rudd didn't take part in the Stolen Generations, but he still apologised for that.

Sending boats back is a violation of Indonesia's national sovereignty, dangerous for those on the potentially unseaworthy boats, and generally a dick move. Indonesia is also vastly less well equipped to deal with a steady trickle of asylum seekers than Australia, and we should fucking get over ourselves and stop acting like asylum seekers who arrived after WWII have any more of a right to be here than asylum seekers arriving right now.

Blackmailing Indonesia with foreign aid to force them to comply with Australia's opinion is a very neo-colonial approach that would paint Australia in an poor light and anger large elements of both Indonesian and Australian society. You don't seem to care much for national sovereignty, do you? Also, Indonesia is not Nauru. They could actually survive without Australian aid, and in my opinion no longer receiving Australian aid would probably endear the Indonesian government to the more anti-western elements in their society. Not a good move.

[Cetacea]

Its been said before but, oh well 0, Schapelle Corby is/was a pretty white girl suffering at the hands of dirty brown natives, thats why theres a media frenzy - a perfect convergence of sexism and racism.

And Meowfoundland is right Ozzy Aid to Indonesia is mainly spent on schools, infrastructure and reducing poverty, its strategic spend to stave off the rise of extremism which results feom poor uneducated masses -that would really bugger Australia

[Yaltabaoth]

Schapelle Corby probably smuggled that marijuana and playing a "poor little innocent Australian girl" act did her no favours in my view. She knew what she was getting into. I don't agree with the long sentences and shitty prisons, but Schapelle brought it on herself.

Abbott should have apologised for the spying incident because he represents the Australian Government. Rudd didn't take part in the Stolen Generations, but he still apologised for that.

Sending boats back is a violation of Indonesia's national sovereignty, dangerous for those on the potentially unseaworthy boats, and generally a dick move. Indonesia is also vastly less well equipped to deal with a steady trickle of asylum seekers than Australia, and we should fucking get over ourselves and stop acting like asylum seekers who arrived after WWII have any more of a right to be here than asylum seekers arriving right now.

Blackmailing Indonesia with foreign aid to force them to comply with Australia's opinion is a very neo-colonial approach that would paint Australia in an poor light and anger large elements of both Indonesian and Australian society. You don't seem to care much for national sovereignty, do you? Also, Indonesia is not Nauru. They could actually survive without Australian aid, and in my opinion no longer receiving Australian aid would probably endear the Indonesian government to the more anti-western elements in their society. Not a good move.

^ Pretty much this.

Too many Australians treat Indonesia, particularly Bali, as a fucking toilet.

They go to an Islamic nation (the largest in the world) and get spewing-in-the-street drunk, smuggle in drugs, steal shit, denigrate the locals, scream obscenities and run around almost naked, then act surprised when a football team gets blown up by the locals, or a pretty white girl gets imprisoned for smuggling kilograms of cannabis.

It's the same shit Americans pull in Cancun, or Brits in Ibiza (minus the Islam).
Privileged white kids with no self-control and some severe entitlement issues.

[Srboslavija]

Glad to hear our Schappelle is free at last. Modern day Ned Kelly, she is.

[Srboslavija]

Sending boats back is a violation of Indonesia's national sovereignty, dangerous for those on the potentially unseaworthy boats, and generally a dick move. Indonesia is also vastly less well equipped to deal with a steady trickle of asylum seekers than Australia, and we should fucking get over ourselves and stop acting like asylum seekers who arrived after WWII have any more of a right to be here than asylum seekers arriving right now.

Part of the policy of returning the boats is relocating the people into modern raft boats before escorting them bck to Indo waters., as seen in this article.http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/07/indonesia-objects-again-to-turnbacks-as-second-lifeboat-washes-up-on-java



Opinions on the policy aside, it seems quite brilliant to provide these rafts, ensuring their safe passage.

[Vitaphone Racing]

Lmao. Indonesian registered boats crewed by indonesians leaving indonesian coast is a violation of Indonesia's sovereignty?

Fuck indonesia. They are possibly the worst neighbor a country could have. They admitted to spying on us on several occasions but when we return the favor, it's a big deal?

[They go to an Islamic nation (the largest in the world) and get spewing-in-the-street drunk, smuggle in drugs, steal shit, denigrate the locals, scream obscenities and run around almost naked, then act surprised when a football team gets blown up by the locals, or a pretty white girl gets imprisoned for smuggling kilograms of cannabis.
.

And I suppose they'd bitch when we'd spend our tourist dollars somewhere else as well.

[Vitaphone Racing]

Let's not forget they shoot our journalists for kicks as well and deny the whole thing.

[Respawn]

Her only defense is that it would have been so inconceivably retarded to do what she did. But she and her whole family are retarded hicks, so you never know. Oh well. She stands to make millions from selling her "story" to ACA and other trash.

Remember, despite the media butthurt, she was let off lightly. If I'm not mistaken, it's usually the death penalty in Indonesia for the amount of drugs she smuggled.

pretty white girl

pretty white girl

Eh, maybe back in the day. But I wouldn't touch her with a ten foot pole, considering she's probably had to eat out half of Kerobokan Prison to avoid getting stabbed.

[The Capricorn Islands]

Indonesia exploits the Schappelle Corby situation like it exploits the spying situation. Spying is a lot more common among nations worldwide than it's being made out to be.

Also, Vitaphone Racing is right in mentioning Australia's slaughtered journalists, Indonesia certainly won't apologise for that.

[Yaltabaoth]

[They go to an Islamic nation (the largest in the world) and get spewing-in-the-street drunk, smuggle in drugs, steal shit, denigrate the locals, scream obscenities and run around almost naked, then act surprised when a football team gets blown up by the locals, or a pretty white girl gets imprisoned for smuggling kilograms of cannabis.
.

And I suppose they'd bitch when we'd spend our tourist dollars somewhere else as well.

Because we spend money there, we're allowed to soil it?

Then again, that does seem to be the attitude back home most friday and saturday nights too.

[Yaltabaoth]

Her only defense is that it would have been so inconceivably retarded to do what she did. But she and her whole family are retarded hicks, so you never know. Oh well. She stands to make millions from selling her "story" to ACA and other trash.

Remember, despite the media butthurt, she was let off lightly. If I'm not mistaken, it's usually the death penalty in Indonesia for the amount of drugs she smuggled.

pretty white girl

pretty white girl

Eh, maybe back in the day. But I wouldn't touch her with a ten foot pole, considering she's probably had to eat out half of Kerobokan Prison to avoid getting stabbed.

Yeah I probably should've put quotes around that.
I was referring to her media portrayal (at first, anyway) rather than giving a personal opinion on her appearance.

[Vitaphone Racing]

And I suppose they'd bitch when we'd spend our tourist dollars somewhere else as well.

Because we spend money there, we're allowed to soil it?

Then again, that does seem to be the attitude back home most friday and saturday nights too.

Don't kid yourself. What goes on in Bali is something they've played a part in creating as much as the people who visited have. If they had a real problem with Australian tourist behavior over there and it was more important to them than the quick bucks it brings in,they'd be nowhere near as accommodating for it as they are, at all levels of government.

[Cetacea]

pretty white girl

pretty white girl

Eh, maybe back in the day. But I wouldn't touch her with a ten foot pole, considering she's probably had to eat out half of Kerobokan Prison to avoid getting stabbed.

Eewww but you I did specify is/was a pretty white girl, and well context is important too, but Eeeww

[Australian rePublic]

Schapelle Corby probably smuggled that marijuana and playing a "poor little innocent Australian girl" act did her no favours in my view. She knew what she was getting into. I don't agree with the long sentences and shitty prisons, but Schapelle brought it on herself.

Agreed

Abbott should have apologised for the spying incident because he represents the Australian Government. Rudd didn't take part in the Stolen Generations, but he still apologised for that.

I never said that Abbott shouldn't apologise. The Stolen Generation was the result of thousands of people, some of whom would be dead by now, whilst the Indonesian spying was almost entirely the fault of Rudd

Sending boats back is a violation of Indonesia's national sovereignty, dangerous for those on the potentially unseaworthy boats, and generally a dick move. Indonesia is also vastly less well equipped to deal with a steady trickle of asylum seekers than Australia, and we should fucking get over ourselves and stop acting like asylum seekers who arrived after WWII have any more of a right to be here than asylum seekers arriving right now.

I know everything about national sovereignty. What about our national sovereignty? These boats, that Indonesia promised to stop, are coming from Indonesia and making their way to Australia. We asked Indonesia to assist us, they told us they wouldn't and they don't so we have to take the action upon ourselves. It is that simple

Blackmailing Indonesia with foreign aid to force them to comply with Australia's opinion is a very neo-colonial approach that would paint Australia in an poor light and anger large elements of both Indonesian and Australian society.

So? Also, it's not Australia's opinion, it's for the benefit of Australia. If they don't stop the boats (which they can), then we stop the aid

You don't seem to care much for national sovereignty, do you?

National sovereignty is very important to me

Also, Indonesia is not Nauru. They could actually survive without Australian aid

Then why the hell do we give them hundreds upon millions of dollars in aid per year?

and in my opinion no longer receiving Australian aid would probably endear the Indonesian government to the more anti-western elements in their society. Not a good move.

They already hate us, why do should they receive money from us to fund their hate for us. It's not like they're gonna hate us any more than they already do
So why in the hell do we give them hundreds of millions of dollars in aid

[Australian rePublic]

Its been said before but, oh well 0, Schapelle Corby is/was a pretty white girl suffering at the hands of dirty brown natives, thats why theres a media frenzy - a perfect convergence of sexism and racism.

As if she is the only one...

And Meowfoundland is right Ozzy Aid to Indonesia is mainly spent on schools, infrastructure and reducing poverty

So?

its strategic spend to stave off the rise of extremism which results feom poor uneducated masses -that would really bugger Australia

Hmmmm....

[Australian rePublic]

Schapelle Corby probably smuggled that marijuana and playing a "poor little innocent Australian girl" act did her no favours in my view. She knew what she was getting into. I don't agree with the long sentences and shitty prisons, but Schapelle brought it on herself.

Abbott should have apologised for the spying incident because he represents the Australian Government. Rudd didn't take part in the Stolen Generations, but he still apologised for that.

Sending boats back is a violation of Indonesia's national sovereignty, dangerous for those on the potentially unseaworthy boats, and generally a dick move. Indonesia is also vastly less well equipped to deal with a steady trickle of asylum seekers than Australia, and we should fucking get over ourselves and stop acting like asylum seekers who arrived after WWII have any more of a right to be here than asylum seekers arriving right now.

Blackmailing Indonesia with foreign aid to force them to comply with Australia's opinion is a very neo-colonial approach that would paint Australia in an poor light and anger large elements of both Indonesian and Australian society. You don't seem to care much for national sovereignty, do you? Also, Indonesia is not Nauru. They could actually survive without Australian aid, and in my opinion no longer receiving Australian aid would probably endear the Indonesian government to the more anti-western elements in their society. Not a good move.

^ Pretty much this.

Too many Australians treat Indonesia, particularly Bali, as a fucking toilet.

They go to an Islamic nation (the largest in the world) and get spewing-in-the-street drunk, smuggle in drugs, steal shit, denigrate the locals, scream obscenities and run around almost naked, then act surprised when a football team gets blown up by the locals, or a pretty white girl gets imprisoned for smuggling kilograms of cannabis.

[Australian rePublic]

Glad to hear our Schappelle is free at last. Modern day Ned Kelly, she is.

Hmmm... also, who firkin' cares where she comes from. You break a foreign law, you are at the mercy of that foreign nation. Australia shouldn't try to release anyone guilty simply because she was caught overseas.

[Australian rePublic]

Sending boats back is a violation of Indonesia's national sovereignty, dangerous for those on the potentially unseaworthy boats, and generally a dick move. Indonesia is also vastly less well equipped to deal with a steady trickle of asylum seekers than Australia, and we should fucking get over ourselves and stop acting like asylum seekers who arrived after WWII have any more of a right to be here than asylum seekers arriving right now.

Part of the policy of returning the boats is relocating the people into modern raft boats before escorting them bck to Indo waters., as seen in this article.http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/07/indonesia-objects-again-to-turnbacks-as-second-lifeboat-washes-up-on-java



Opinions on the policy aside, it seems quite brilliant to provide these rafts, ensuring their safe passage.

Yep

[Australian rePublic]

Lmao. Indonesian registered boats crewed by indonesians leaving indonesian coast is a violation of Indonesia's sovereignty?

Fuck indonesia. They are possibly the worst neighbor a country could have.

They admitted to spying on us on several occasions but when we return the favor, it's a big deal?

[They go to an Islamic nation (the largest in the world) and get spewing-in-the-street drunk, smuggle in drugs, steal shit, denigrate the locals, scream obscenities and run around almost naked, then act surprised when a football team gets blown up by the locals, or a pretty white girl gets imprisoned for smuggling kilograms of cannabis.
.

And I suppose they'd bitch when we'd spend our tourist dollars somewhere else as well.[/quote]
Probably, but still, do NOT break their laws.

[Australian rePublic]

Let's not forget they shoot our journalists for kicks as well and deny the whole thing.

Really? I didn't know that one?

[Australian rePublic]

Her only defense is that it would have been so inconceivably retarded to do what she did. But she and her whole family are retarded hicks, so you never know. Oh well. She stands to make millions from selling her "story" to ACA and other trash.

Remember, despite the media butthurt, she was let off lightly. If I'm not mistaken, it's usually the death penalty in Indonesia for the amount of drugs she smuggled.

Yes, and most of the Bali 9 did

[Australian rePublic]

Indonesia exploits the Schappelle Corby situation like it exploits the spying situation. Spying is a lot more common among nations worldwide than it's being made out to be.

Also, Vitaphone Racing is right in mentioning Australia's slaughtered journalists, Indonesia certainly won't apologise for that.

Stupid Indonesians

[Idubno]

The media's reaction to the whole Schapelle Corby thing has never failed to piss me off. The only reason anyone cares about her is because she's white and has big boobs. They conveniently ignore the fact that she's a convicted criminal, who had a piss weak defence. I have no sympathy for her whatsoever.

[Australian rePublic]

And I suppose they'd bitch when we'd spend our tourist dollars somewhere else as well.

Because we spend money there, we're allowed to soil it?

Then again, that does seem to be the attitude back home most friday and saturday nights too.