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by Grave_n_idle » Thu Feb 06, 2014 3:06 pm
by Mistelemr » Thu Feb 06, 2014 3:07 pm
by Kyuji » Thu Feb 06, 2014 3:09 pm
by The USOT » Thu Feb 06, 2014 3:22 pm
Phoenixfox wrote:The entire study of any science depends on truth being absolute, but their is no atheistic justification for believing in it.
What do you think about this line of reasoning? I think it makes a lot of sense.
by Kiruri » Thu Feb 06, 2014 3:46 pm
by Achasic » Thu Feb 06, 2014 4:08 pm
by Benuty » Thu Feb 06, 2014 4:13 pm
Achasic wrote:So...Explain to me, why I must believe in God? And if I was to believe in Norse mytho, Greek, Roman, Hinduism, Scientology, Church of the flying spaghetti monster- should I still convert because you say so? Because you know the "Absolute truth"? No. No. NO. NO!
If I refuse to believe in any religion, should I be forced? No.
Do I force you to stop believing? Do I force you to convert into Hinduism, Islam, or any of the mythologies? No.
by Achasic » Thu Feb 06, 2014 4:20 pm
Benuty wrote:Achasic wrote:So...Explain to me, why I must believe in God? And if I was to believe in Norse mytho, Greek, Roman, Hinduism, Scientology, Church of the flying spaghetti monster- should I still convert because you say so? Because you know the "Absolute truth"? No. No. NO. NO!
If I refuse to believe in any religion, should I be forced? No.
Do I force you to stop believing? Do I force you to convert into Hinduism, Islam, or any of the mythologies? No.
Why is Scientology included as a religion?
by Beiluxia » Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:23 pm
Phoenixfox wrote:If you ask an atheist why they disavow belief in God, they will undoubtably cite either their reason or science.1 Here are some thing that need to be around in order for science to make sense. Possibly the most basic of these Absolute truth (Truth being that which conforms to reality)2
Science can tell us almost any trait we want to know about anything, it can tell us the size, shape, weight, color, temperature, density and even the molecular structure of an object, but none of these things even matter if we can not be sure that the object even exists. Science is irrelevant if absolute truth does not exist.3
The entire study of any science depends on truth being absolute4, but their is no atheistic justification for believing in it. It is ironic that those who say their alleged disbelief in God is based on reason have absolutely no reason to believe in the very things on which they base their reason!5
What do you think about this line of reasoning? I think it makes a lot of sense.6
by Isles of the United Armed Forces » Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:25 pm
by Menassa » Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:28 pm
Granadeseret wrote:And my entire post was set up to target those claims laid down by Vashta Nerada. He seems to be asserting it is true, and that is what I was countering.
Granadeseret wrote: I apologize if I'm not going to learn Hebrew, every Native American tongue, Ancient Greek, Egyptian Hieroglyphics, Scandinavian Ruins, the various Celtic tongues, Sanskrit, ect. so I can have a perfectly accurate view of the various religious tales of the ancient word,but that is simply impractical to do so,
Granadeseret wrote:and if I would wager an educated guess, you seem to dismisses these texts and in all likelihood don't know all those languages.
by Ponderosa » Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:29 pm
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by Othelos » Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:34 pm
Ponderosa wrote:Why does absolute truth require a God? Truth conforms to reality no matter what. Otherwise, it's not the truth. But that truth is obtainable through logical or scientific means. God doesn't need to enter the equation at all.
by Rehansu Tir » Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:36 pm
Benuty wrote:Achasic wrote:So...Explain to me, why I must believe in God? And if I was to believe in Norse mytho, Greek, Roman, Hinduism, Scientology, Church of the flying spaghetti monster- should I still convert because you say so? Because you know the "Absolute truth"? No. No. NO. NO!
If I refuse to believe in any religion, should I be forced? No.
Do I force you to stop believing? Do I force you to convert into Hinduism, Islam, or any of the mythologies? No.
Why is Scientology included as a religion?
by Shaggai » Thu Feb 06, 2014 6:42 pm
Benuty wrote:Achasic wrote:So...Explain to me, why I must believe in God? And if I was to believe in Norse mytho, Greek, Roman, Hinduism, Scientology, Church of the flying spaghetti monster- should I still convert because you say so? Because you know the "Absolute truth"? No. No. NO. NO!
If I refuse to believe in any religion, should I be forced? No.
Do I force you to stop believing? Do I force you to convert into Hinduism, Islam, or any of the mythologies? No.
Why is Scientology included as a religion?
by Dyakovo » Fri Feb 07, 2014 12:22 am
Silthios wrote:Within the debate for whether or not God exists the same thing always occurs. I am an atheist because I've seen no scientific evidence whatsoever to the existence of a God, although the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. I do dislike the argument put fort by the pious.
Many people refute my atheism by stating that because I can't explain everything with science it must be the will of God. Bertrand Russell wrote that if he claims that a teapot orbits the Sun somewhere in space between the Earth and Mars, it is nonsensical for him to expect others to believe him on the grounds that they cannot prove him wrong. Religious argument to me is essentially just that, anything scientists write to disprove anything within the bible, a document allegedly written as the word of God, is immediately refuted as God's will. A good example of this is a debate between Richard Dawkins on evolution and Wendy Wright on creationism, everything he said, supplemented with as much evidence as has been recorded on evolution was refuted almost entirely with "that's not evidence" or "evolution is just a theory".
In the end, I would rather have a mind open to possibility and wonder then one closed by a pre-determined world as dictated by a deity. That is why I don't believe.
by Sun Wukong » Fri Feb 07, 2014 12:24 am
Dyakovo wrote:Silthios wrote:Within the debate for whether or not God exists the same thing always occurs. I am an atheist because I've seen no scientific evidence whatsoever to the existence of a God, although the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. I do dislike the argument put fort by the pious.
Many people refute my atheism by stating that because I can't explain everything with science it must be the will of God. Bertrand Russell wrote that if he claims that a teapot orbits the Sun somewhere in space between the Earth and Mars, it is nonsensical for him to expect others to believe him on the grounds that they cannot prove him wrong. Religious argument to me is essentially just that, anything scientists write to disprove anything within the bible, a document allegedly written as the word of God, is immediately refuted as God's will. A good example of this is a debate between Richard Dawkins on evolution and Wendy Wright on creationism, everything he said, supplemented with as much evidence as has been recorded on evolution was refuted almost entirely with "that's not evidence" or "evolution is just a theory".
In the end, I would rather have a mind open to possibility and wonder then one closed by a pre-determined world as dictated by a deity. That is why I don't believe.
Blatantly false. Absence of evidence is most certainly evidence of absence.
by Dyakovo » Fri Feb 07, 2014 12:26 am
Benuty wrote:Achasic wrote:So...Explain to me, why I must believe in God? And if I was to believe in Norse mytho, Greek, Roman, Hinduism, Scientology, Church of the flying spaghetti monster- should I still convert because you say so? Because you know the "Absolute truth"? No. No. NO. NO!
If I refuse to believe in any religion, should I be forced? No.
Do I force you to stop believing? Do I force you to convert into Hinduism, Islam, or any of the mythologies? No.
Why is Scientology included as a religion?
by The Nihilistic view » Fri Feb 07, 2014 12:35 am
Phoenixfox wrote:If you ask an atheist why they disavow belief in God, they will undoubtably cite either their reason or science. Here are some thing that need to be around in order for science to make sense. Possibly the most basic of these Absolute truth (Truth being that which conforms to reality)
Science can tell us almost any trait we want to know about anything, it can tell us the size, shape, weight, color, temperature, density and even the molecular structure of an object, but none of these things even matter if we can not be sure that the object even exists. Science is irrelevant if absolute truth does not exist.
The entire study of any science depends on truth being absolute, but their is no atheistic justification for believing in it. It is ironic that those who say their alleged disbelief in God is based on reason have absolutely no reason to believe in the very things on which they base their reason!
What do you think about this line of reasoning? I think it makes a lot of sense.
by The United Brony Armies » Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:56 am
Lipnitia wrote: They must at least have one spark of hope that there's a deity somwhere out there.
by Dyakovo » Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:57 am
Lipnitia wrote: They must at least have one spark of hope that there's a deity somwhere out there.
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