Why atheists must believe in God

[MERIZoC]

because most people who understand the big bang also understand the fact that the development of a theory isn't that black and white. i recommend these pages:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_the_universe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_cosmology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_universe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recombination_(cosmology)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_mic ... background
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large-scal ... _structure
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble_dia ... le_Diagram

I want something I can study and agree upon. Not a million different views of the same theory no one really knows anything about.

So instead, you place your faith in a being with no evidence to suggest its existence. I see.

[Shnercropolis]

Science is the continuing exploration of the understanding of the universe. Who knows, in 200 years we might find a better model to explain thermodynamics, even though right now they seem set in stone. That doesn't mean we should say 'invisible snakes did it!', because thermodynamics does a fine job at what it does.

Cosmology is even more shifty like that because it is entirely speculative. We're trying to derive the history of the universe with only a small understanding of how it is right here and now. If you think you can do a better job, you're welcome to do it, but know that it will be very hard thing to do.

I never said I could do a better job. All I said was that scientists are arguing over some nonsense about a theory they themselves cannot come to a conclusion on. Yet, they pimp it out as if they had all the answers figured out, but won't tell anyone that they don't even know if the Big Bang came in the way about as their telling us. If you can come up with a better explanation that "it just showed up here", then your more than welcome to jump into the ring.

Nobody is acting like the Big Bang definitely happened. It's just that most cosmologists think it probably happened, and it mostly matches with the evidence. If you hear someone saying that they can prove the Big Bang happened, they're lying.

[Xirtam]

because most people who understand the big bang also understand the fact that the development of a theory isn't that black and white. i recommend these pages:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_the_universe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_cosmology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_universe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recombination_(cosmology)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_mic ... background
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large-scal ... _structure
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble_dia ... le_Diagram

You hand me these links as if I haven't read them already. I know that science isn't 2-D. I know there is more to a theory than just "I think". I know science has many millions of variables that make a night with a 5,000 piece jigsaw puzzle look inviting. What I refuse to believe is that the Big Bang came from nothingness. Scientists have been arguing over the belief for many many decades, and still have come to a single conclusion. It's gotten so bad that some have suggested that there was "something else" before the Big Bang, and many other scientists are starting to take them seriously. I won't except a theory that hasn't been finalized simply because one half of scientist think the universe exploded into existence, and the other half believe that another universe existed before this one, lend it its "excess matter". I want something I can study and agree upon. Not a million different views of the same theory no one really knows anything about.

Science says that the big bang theory is correct and there is no evidence for anything else before the big bang.
Anyone who claims to be a scientist and says otherwise is only masquerading as a scientist.

[Vashta Nerada]

You hand me these links as if I haven't read them already. I know that science isn't 2-D. I know there is more to a theory than just "I think". I know science has many millions of variables that make a night with a 5,000 piece jigsaw puzzle look inviting. What I refuse to believe is that the Big Bang came from nothingness. Scientists have been arguing over the belief for many many decades, and still have come to a single conclusion. It's gotten so bad that some have suggested that there was "something else" before the Big Bang, and many other scientists are starting to take them seriously. I won't except a theory that hasn't been finalized simply because one half of scientist think the universe exploded into existence, and the other half believe that another universe existed before this one, lend it its "excess matter". I want something I can study and agree upon. Not a million different views of the same theory no one really knows anything about.

so basically, you don't want the scientific method to find an actual conclusion. you just want to drop god onto everything that hasn't been explained yet.

No. That's you generalization of a belief you refuse to believe. I want something logical that hands down proves there is no God. Until that day, I accept the logical, sensible origin of life given in the Bible because it makes sense. The Big Bang in its current form does not make sense. When every scientist on the planet agrees on a single conclusion for the Big Bang theory the same way they all agree that the sun is yellow, I will not accept it, the same way I wouldn't accept a car made out of parts cannibalized from other cars and then told its "safe to ride".

[Philosophii]

so basically, you don't want the scientific method to find an actual conclusion. you just want to drop god onto everything that hasn't been explained yet.

No. That's you generalization of a belief you refuse to believe. I want something logical that hands down proves there is no God. Until that day, I accept the logical, sensible origin of life given in the Bible because it makes sense. The Big Bang in its current form does not make sense. When every scientist on the planet agrees on a single conclusion for the Big Bang theory the same way they all agree that the sun is yellow, I will not accept it, the same way I wouldn't accept a car made out of parts cannibalized from other cars and then told its "safe to ride".

"The Bible makes sense."

The good thing about scientific discussion is that you can always tell when someone didn't pass their middle/high school science classes.

[Shnercropolis]

so basically, you don't want the scientific method to find an actual conclusion. you just want to drop god onto everything that hasn't been explained yet.

No. That's you generalization of a belief you refuse to believe. I want something logical that hands down proves there is no God. Until that day, I accept the logical, sensible origin of life given in the Bible because it makes sense. The Big Bang in its current form does not make sense. When every scientist on the planet agrees on a single conclusion for the Big Bang theory the same way they all agree that the sun is yellow, I will not accept it, the same way I wouldn't accept a car made out of parts cannibalized from other cars and then told its "safe to ride".

Why do you trust theologians, who argue just as much(if not more so), over scientists?

[Nord Amour]

"Scientific knowledge is never absolute. Rather, it represents the consensus of a critical and vigilant community of scholars. It is this idea of consensus which is often confused with Absolute Truth, and this is particularly apparent when we enter the realm of human action, and thus of moral judgment."
http://tech.mit.edu/V113/N6/king.06o.html

[MERIZoC]

so basically, you don't want the scientific method to find an actual conclusion. you just want to drop god onto everything that hasn't been explained yet.

No. That's you generalization of a belief you refuse to believe. I want something logical that hands down proves there is no God. Until that day, I accept the logical, sensible origin of life given in the Bible because it makes sense. The Big Bang in its current form does not make sense. When every scientist on the planet agrees on a single conclusion for the Big Bang theory the same way they all agree that the sun is yellow, I will not accept it, the same way I wouldn't accept a car made out of parts cannibalized from other cars and then told its "safe to ride".

And how exactly are the Bible and God "logical and sensible?"

[Vashta Nerada]

I never said I could do a better job. All I said was that scientists are arguing over some nonsense about a theory they themselves cannot come to a conclusion on. Yet, they pimp it out as if they had all the answers figured out, but won't tell anyone that they don't even know if the Big Bang came in the way about as their telling us. If you can come up with a better explanation that "it just showed up here", then your more than welcome to jump into the ring.

Nobody is acting like the Big Bang definitely happened. It's just that most cosmologists think it probably happened, and it mostly matches with the evidence. If you hear someone saying that they can prove the Big Bang happened, they're lying.

I never disagreed with any statement on the Big Bang. All I said, and I will continue to say, is that scientists don't acknowledge a common explanation for the Big Bang. Whether or not it happened is up for debate. The true problem lays with the origin of the Big Bang. Don't tell me it happened and not agree on a single explanation for it. I'll just think your lying.

[Pyke and the Iron Isles]

No. That's you generalization of a belief you refuse to believe. I want something logical that hands down proves there is no God. Until that day, I accept the logical, sensible origin of life given in the Bible because it makes sense. The Big Bang in its current form does not make sense. When every scientist on the planet agrees on a single conclusion for the Big Bang theory the same way they all agree that the sun is yellow, I will not accept it, the same way I wouldn't accept a car made out of parts cannibalized from other cars and then told its "safe to ride".

Why do you trust theologians, who argue just as much(if not more so), over scientists?

Better yet, why trust he bible when there are thousands of translations of it and thousands of denominations that cannot agree?

[MERIZoC]

Nobody is acting like the Big Bang definitely happened. It's just that most cosmologists think it probably happened, and it mostly matches with the evidence. If you hear someone saying that they can prove the Big Bang happened, they're lying.

I never disagreed with any statement on the Big Bang. All I said, and I will continue to say, is that scientists don't acknowledge a common explanation for the Big Bang. Whether or not it happened is up for debate. The true problem lays with the origin of the Big Bang. Don't tell me it happened and not agree on a single explanation for it. I'll just think your lying.

Don't tell us God is real and not give us a logical explanation.

[Tigeria]

so basically, you don't want the scientific method to find an actual conclusion. you just want to drop god onto everything that hasn't been explained yet.

No. That's you generalization of a belief you refuse to believe. I want something logical that hands down proves there is no God. Until that day, I accept the logical, sensible origin of life given in the Bible because it makes sense. The Big Bang in its current form does not make sense. When every scientist on the planet agrees on a single conclusion for the Big Bang theory the same way they all agree that the sun is yellow, I will not accept it, the same way I wouldn't accept a car made out of parts cannibalized from other cars and then told its "safe to ride".

I can say the same thing about religion then, until everybody agrees on one form of belief in god I'll believe in science because it makes sense

[Xirtam]

so basically, you don't want the scientific method to find an actual conclusion. you just want to drop god onto everything that hasn't been explained yet.

No. That's you generalization of a belief you refuse to believe. I want something logical that hands down proves there is no God. Until that day, I accept the logical, sensible origin of life given in the Bible because it makes sense. The Big Bang in its current form does not make sense. When every scientist on the planet agrees on a single conclusion for the Big Bang theory the same way they all agree that the sun is yellow, I will not accept it, the same way I wouldn't accept a car made out of parts cannibalized from other cars and then told its "safe to ride".

The origin of life given in the bible makes absolutely no sense and has no evidence at all.
All scientists who follow the scientific method agree that the big bang theory is correct, and it makes complete sense.
There is absolutely nothing about the big bang that "does not make sense", that is nothing but bullshit.
If you refuse to accept these facts, then you are only being purposefully ignorant.

[Vashta Nerada]

No. That's you generalization of a belief you refuse to believe. I want something logical that hands down proves there is no God. Until that day, I accept the logical, sensible origin of life given in the Bible because it makes sense. The Big Bang in its current form does not make sense. When every scientist on the planet agrees on a single conclusion for the Big Bang theory the same way they all agree that the sun is yellow, I will not accept it, the same way I wouldn't accept a car made out of parts cannibalized from other cars and then told its "safe to ride".

And how exactly are the Bible and God "logical and sensible?"

The Bible states the world is round. It states that something created everything. It states that there is a law that keeps everything in place. Simple, understanding, easy to comprehend. I'd rather be a stupid Christian with the hope of living forever, that a genius that going to die in 80 years. Scientists may be smart but they can't make you live forever. Not now at least.

[Vashta Nerada]

No. That's you generalization of a belief you refuse to believe. I want something logical that hands down proves there is no God. Until that day, I accept the logical, sensible origin of life given in the Bible because it makes sense. The Big Bang in its current form does not make sense. When every scientist on the planet agrees on a single conclusion for the Big Bang theory the same way they all agree that the sun is yellow, I will not accept it, the same way I wouldn't accept a car made out of parts cannibalized from other cars and then told its "safe to ride".

The origin of life given in the bible makes absolutely no sense and has no evidence at all.
All scientists who follow the scientific method agree that the big bang theory is correct, and it makes complete sense.
There is absolutely nothing about the big bang that "does not make sense", that is nothing but bullshit.
If you refuse to accept these facts, then you are only being purposefully ignorant.

Well of course it makes no sense to you. That's why your an atheist. Remember? You rely on you own understanding.

[Xirtam]

Nobody is acting like the Big Bang definitely happened. It's just that most cosmologists think it probably happened, and it mostly matches with the evidence. If you hear someone saying that they can prove the Big Bang happened, they're lying.

I never disagreed with any statement on the Big Bang. All I said, and I will continue to say, is that scientists don't acknowledge a common explanation for the Big Bang. Whether or not it happened is up for debate. The true problem lays with the origin of the Big Bang. Don't tell me it happened and not agree on a single explanation for it. I'll just think your lying.

The big bang happened and that is not up for debate, it has been proven time and time again.

[Xirtam]

The origin of life given in the bible makes absolutely no sense and has no evidence at all.
All scientists who follow the scientific method agree that the big bang theory is correct, and it makes complete sense.
There is absolutely nothing about the big bang that "does not make sense", that is nothing but bullshit.
If you refuse to accept these facts, then you are only being purposefully ignorant.

Well of course it makes no sense to you. That's why your an atheist. Remember? You rely on you own understanding.

No, it's because I follow scientific method.

[Shnercropolis]

Nobody is acting like the Big Bang definitely happened. It's just that most cosmologists think it probably happened, and it mostly matches with the evidence. If you hear someone saying that they can prove the Big Bang happened, they're lying.

I never disagreed with any statement on the Big Bang. All I said, and I will continue to say, is that scientists don't acknowledge a common explanation for the Big Bang. Whether or not it happened is up for debate. The true problem lays with the origin of the Big Bang. Don't tell me it happened and not agree on a single explanation for it. I'll just think your lying.

Well, science can't help you. Science is based off of observations, and it is impossible to observe the early universe, and it's even impossible to speculate on the universe before 10^-43 seconds after the Big Bang because it was too small for physics to be applied.

[MERIZoC]

And how exactly are the Bible and God "logical and sensible?"

The Bible states the world is round. It states that something created everything. It states that there is a law that keeps everything in place. Simple, understanding, easy to comprehend. I'd rather be a stupid Christian with the hope of living forever, that a genius that going to die in 80 years. Scientists may be smart but they can't make you live forever. Not now at least.

So you choose to believe in God because of hope in an afterlife? Fine then. I choose to believe that I am a god and can do whatever I want.
*goes out, gets locked up in insane asylum

[Xirtam]

And how exactly are the Bible and God "logical and sensible?"

The Bible states the world is round.

Where does it state this?

It states that something created everything.

God, yes, but there is no evidence at all for his existence therefore this is illogical and nonsensical.

It states that there is a law that keeps everything in place.

What the fuck are you on about?

Simple, understanding, easy to comprehend.

No, it's nothing but bullshit.

I'd rather be a stupid Christian with the hope of living forever, that a genius that going to die in 80 years.

Being a Christian will not save your life.
Whether you like it or not you are going to die.

Scientists may be smart but they can't make you live forever. Not now at least.

Neither can Christianity. This has been proven billions of times over and over again.

[Vashta Nerada]

The Bible states the world is round. It states that something created everything. It states that there is a law that keeps everything in place. Simple, understanding, easy to comprehend. I'd rather be a stupid Christian with the hope of living forever, that a genius that going to die in 80 years. Scientists may be smart but they can't make you live forever. Not now at least.

So you choose to believe in God because of hope in an afterlife? Fine then. I choose to believe that I am a god and can do whatever I want.
*goes out, gets locked up in insane asylum

Afterlife, no. Everlasting life, yes. But arguing with you has worked up a hunger of great proportions. Gentlemen, I thank you for the discussion. Back to my cave.

[Menassa]

God? Which God... which God must an Atheist believe in?

[Philosophii]

God? Which God... which God must an Atheist believe in?

Flying Spaghetti Monster

[Menassa]

God? Which God... which God must an Atheist believe in?

Flying Spaghetti Monster

I do not know this God.

[Othelos]

The origin of life given in the bible makes absolutely no sense and has no evidence at all.
All scientists who follow the scientific method agree that the big bang theory is correct, and it makes complete sense.
There is absolutely nothing about the big bang that "does not make sense", that is nothing but bullshit.
If you refuse to accept these facts, then you are only being purposefully ignorant.

Well of course it makes no sense to you. That's why your an atheist. Remember? You rely on you own understanding.

...Everyone does.