Scotland to legalize Gay Marriage

[Liriena]

No, they're not. A town and a village are not the same thing, they are not equal.

Separate but "equal" is not equal. "Civil unions" is nothing but a pathetic attempt to continue the treatment of LGBT people as second class citizens, just less obviously so than before.

Hmmm...I admit you may be right about this. I don't want to treat LGBT people as second class citizens, but I also don't want them to defile marriage. I am conflicted... What should I do?

Try to understand this, once and for all: You don't need to worry about your holy sacrament being defiled. Legalizing same-sex marriage won't affect your religious rites, much in the same way that legalizing interreligious marriage didn't affect your religious rites. Matrimony will still be between one man and one woman in your denomination.

[Othelos]

No, they're not. A town and a village are not the same thing, they are not equal.

Separate but "equal" is not equal. "Civil unions" is nothing but a pathetic attempt to continue the treatment of LGBT people as second class citizens, just less obviously so than before.

Hmmm...I admit you may be right about this. I don't want to treat LGBT people as second class citizens, but I also don't want them to defile marriage. I am conflicted... What should I do?

Realize that religion is irrelevant to the secular institution of civil marriage.

[Austonea]

Finally the world is becoming more open minded and less bigoted.

[Jermerica]

Disappointing but not unexpected. I honestly couldn't give a damn less. I'm against it but i don't fight it.

[Liriena]

One day you will ask your god for help. Whether it be to save a loved one who did not deserve to die, or to help yourself when you are in dire straits. When you hear nothing but silence in return maybe then you'll understand.

Maybe you will understand when your best friend is dying from a gunshot wound and you ask god to save him and he doesn't answer and you watch your friend die. A innocent victim who loved god just as you do.

One day, you will beg god to help heal a loved on who is doing day by day in front of you. You will beg him to stop the slow decay of one of your parents as he slowly loses himself to a terrible disease. You will beg him to help your mother who gets progressively more depressed by the day, as your father loses the ability to walk, then to think, then to control any bodily function. You will beg god to do something as your father loses himself everyday, until he is no longer the person you remember. And, on that last day, when you hear his breath rattle in his chest, when you see his stomach distend and become huge, when he finally takes that last breath, and god did not answer, maybe then you will understand.

MS?

I'm so sorry.

[Gaelic Celtia]

Finally the world is becoming more open minded and less bigoted.

One step at a time. It'll get there one day, where a religion cannot bar people from being with loved ones.

[Neutraligon]

Disappointing but not unexpected. I honestly couldn't gir a damn less. I'm against it but i don't fight it.

Why are you against it?

[Utceforp]

Disappointing but not unexpected. I honestly couldn't gir a damn less. I'm against it but i don't fight it.

Why would you be against it?

[Liriena]

Disappointing but not unexpected. I honestly couldn't give a damn less. I'm against it but i don't fight it.

Why are you against people marrying?

[Phoenixfox]

No because even though they do not believe in God, they might one day see the light. As long as it is a man and a woman who love each other God smiles upon the love regardless of current religious belief.

Let me ask you this: Do you understand the term "separation of Church and State"? .

That term never appears in the constitution...its a myth perpetuated by the liberal media. I agree there should be no official state religion, because the constitution says that. But not more.

[Gaelic Celtia]

Let me ask you this: Do you understand the term "separation of Church and State"? .

That term never appears in the constitution...its a myth perpetuated by the liberal media. I agree there should be no official state religion, because the constitution says that. But not more.

There are no words...

[Neutraligon]

One day, you will beg god to help heal a loved on who is doing day by day in front of you. You will beg him to stop the slow decay of one of your parents as he slowly loses himself to a terrible disease. You will beg him to help your mother who gets progressively more depressed by the day, as your father loses the ability to walk, then to think, then to control any bodily function. You will beg god to do something as your father loses himself everyday, until he is no longer the person you remember. And, on that last day, when you hear his breath rattle in his chest, when you see his stomach distend and become huge, when he finally takes that last breath, and god did not answer, maybe then you will understand.

MS?

I'm so sorry.

No, brain cancer. I was, in some ways a very religious person at the time.

[Jermerica]

Disappointing but not unexpected. I honestly couldn't gir a damn less. I'm against it but i don't fight it.

Why are you against it?

I just find it unatural. Im not a homophobe I'm just not in support. But they don't infringe my rights so they can live thiers i live mine.

[Othelos]

One day you will ask your god for help. Whether it be to save a loved one who did not deserve to die, or to help yourself when you are in dire straits. When you hear nothing but silence in return maybe then you'll understand.

Maybe you will understand when your best friend is dying from a gunshot wound and you ask god to save him and he doesn't answer and you watch your friend die. A innocent victim who loved god just as you do.

One day, you will beg god to help heal a loved on who is doing day by day in front of you. You will beg him to stop the slow decay of one of your parents as he slowly loses himself to a terrible disease. You will beg him to help your mother who gets progressively more depressed by the day, as your father loses the ability to walk, then to think, then to control any bodily function. You will beg god to do something as your father loses himself everyday, until he is no longer the person you remember. And, on that last day, when you hear his breath rattle in his chest, when you see his stomach distend and become huge, when he finally takes that last breath, and god did not answer, maybe then you will understand.

I'm sorry you had to go through that...

[Neutraligon]

Let me ask you this: Do you understand the term "separation of Church and State"? .

That term never appears in the constitution...its a myth perpetuated by the liberal media. I agree there should be no official state religion, because the constitution says that. But not more.

The term separation of church and state is a simplification of an idea that exists in the constitution.

[Gaelic Celtia]

That term never appears in the constitution...its a myth perpetuated by the liberal media. I agree there should be no official state religion, because the constitution says that. But not more.

The term separation of church and state is a simplification of an idea that exists in the constitution.

It is also not invented by the "liberal media." It was a concept drafted by the Founding Fathers and expressed in the Free Exercise clause, among others.

Just because it is not stated in black and white doesn't mean it isn't in the constitution.

[Neutraligon]

One day, you will beg god to help heal a loved on who is doing day by day in front of you. You will beg him to stop the slow decay of one of your parents as he slowly loses himself to a terrible disease. You will beg him to help your mother who gets progressively more depressed by the day, as your father loses the ability to walk, then to think, then to control any bodily function. You will beg god to do something as your father loses himself everyday, until he is no longer the person you remember. And, on that last day, when you hear his breath rattle in his chest, when you see his stomach distend and become huge, when he finally takes that last breath, and god did not answer, maybe then you will understand.

I'm sorry you had to go through that...

Thanks. My point was that knowing god does not in some way ensure you know happiness and safety. It is not some sort of shield, nor is it some sort of cure all.

[Bralia]

Why are you against it?

I just find it unatural. Im not a homophobe I'm just not in support. But they don't infringe my rights so they can live thiers i live mine.

Your unnatural argument is moot.

[Liriena]

Let me ask you this: Do you understand the term "separation of Church and State"? .

That term never appears in the constitution...its a myth perpetuated by the liberal media.I agree there should be no official state religion, because the constitution says that. But not more.

Could you please re-read what you just posted. Specifically these two sentences:

That term never appears in the constitution...

I agree there should be no official state religion, because the constitution says that.

The separation of Church and State is pretty much that: no official state religion, no laws based on the doctrine of a particular religion, no religions being unfairly discriminated, etc.

So, really, you pretty much just refuted yourself:

its a myth perpetuated by the liberal media.

That is clearly not true.

[Othelos]

Why are you against it?

I just find it unatural. Im not a homophobe I'm just not in support. But they don't infringe my rights so they can live thiers i live mine.

Homosexuality is natural.

[Utceforp]

Why are you against it?

I just find it unatural. Im not a homophobe I'm just not in support. But they don't infringe my rights so they can live thiers i live mine.

That's known as an appeal to nature fallacy - where you assume something is good because it is natural, or bad because it isn't. But your position is a good one - everyone is a bit prejudiced whether we want to be or not, but overcoming that prejudice is what's important.

[Phoenixfox]

Phoenixfox, you still have yet to provide a single valid reason that gay marriage should be banned.

I have provided numerous reasons. Whether you consider them "valid" personally is up to you.

[Sibirsky]

Why are you against it?

I just find it unatural. Im not a homophobe I'm just not in support. But they don't infringe my rights so they can live thiers i live mine.

Your internet connection is unnatural.

For something unnatural, homosexuality sure happens a lot, in nature.

[Neutraligon]

The term separation of church and state is a simplification of an idea that exists in the constitution.

It is also not invented by the liberal" media. It was a concept drafted by the Founding Fathers and expressed in the Free Exercise clause, among others.

Just because it is not stated in black and white doesn't mean it isn't in the constitution.

That was my point, the term exists outside the constitution, specifically from one of our presidents. the idea however exists in our Constitution.

[Gaelic Celtia]

Phoenixfox, you still have yet to provide a single valid reason that gay marriage should be banned.

I have provided numerous reasons. Whether you consider them "valid" personally is up to you.

Genrally, illogical reasons based mostly on anecdotes and circular logic are not considered valid.