Scotland to legalize Gay Marriage

[Utceforp]

On the contrary, you can ask numerous atheists how becoming an atheist has benefited their life.

What they experience is a temporary surge of pleasure and freedom as a result of abandoning the rules God has in place for our own good. Not true happiness...can never be, even if they convince themselves otherwise.

I am an atheist. And the only reason I am not living a happy, fulfilled existence right now is you, your xenophobia and your smug ignorance.

[Othelos]

On the contrary, you can ask numerous atheists how becoming an atheist has benefited their life.

What they experience is a temporary surge of pleasure and freedom as a result of abandoning the rules God has in place for our own good. Not true happiness...can never be, even if they convince themselves otherwise.

Of course you know how I and every other atheist feels

[Regnum Dominae]

On the contrary, you can ask numerous atheists how becoming an atheist has benefited their life.

What they experience is a temporary surge of pleasure and freedom as a result of abandoning the rules God has in place for our own good. Not true happiness...can never be, even if they convince themselves otherwise.

Yes, true happiness is true happiness regardless of what bigots like you think it is.

[Wisconsin9]

Yes, but what specifically makes it holy? I mean, if all benefits from it are the same, then isn't it identical for all intents and purposes?

On a legal level, yes. Which is why I believe it is the perfect solution to our disagreement.

Not really. If the only difference is in how God sees it, then it doesn't matter what we call it.

[Gaelic Celtia]

What they experience is a temporary surge of pleasure and freedom as a result of abandoning the rules God has in place for our own good. Not true happiness...can never be, even if they convince themselves otherwise.

I am an atheist. And the only reason I am not living a happy, fulfilled existence right now is you, your xenophobia and your smug ignorance.

Do not forget the arrogance. And nauseating Self-righteousness

[Neutraligon]

Yes, but what specifically makes it holy? I mean, if all benefits from it are the same, then isn't it identical for all intents and purposes?

On a legal level, yes. Which is why I believe it is the perfect solution to our disagreement.

All that matters is the legal state for the legal recognition of marriage. The thing is, since they are legally equivalent, then by not having them be called the same thing you are discriminating against a specific group. Separate but equal isn't.

[Krazakistan]

Please, for the love of the flying spaghetti monster, do NOT try to take the high horse on this one.

It is all he has fucking done. He presumes he knows about depression, and spits on those that actually live with it, now he spits on all the non-religious by saying we are not happy, and he is.

It is really quite pathetic, but I don't know if I should laugh or cry.

[Liriena]

Yes, but what specifically makes it holy? I mean, if all benefits from it are the same, then isn't it identical for all intents and purposes?

On a legal level, yes. Which is why I believe it is the perfect solution to our disagreement.

Except for the fact that it perpetuates the notion that same-sex unions are inferior to different-sex unions, and that homophobic religious denominations have more rights and authority in the eyes of the state than LGBT-accepting ones. In other words, it's still a slap in the face of religious liberty and the concept of equality under the law.

[Phoenixfox]

Except no one would actually be physically separating gay people, just differentiating the term used to refer to their union. There is a big difference there.

If they are differentiating a term for which all the legal benefits are exactly the same, then that is by definition discrimination. It is probably the best example of how separate but equal does not exist.

That's like saying calling one place a town and calling the other a village is discrimination because the descriptive terms are different. If for all secular intents and purposes the new gay civil unions and traditional marriages are equal, then they are equal.

[Gaelic Celtia]

It is all he has fucking done. He presumes he knows about depression, and spits on those that actually live with it, now he spits on all the non-religious by saying we are not happy, and he is.

It is really quite pathetic, but I don't know if I should laugh or cry.

As someone who has lived with depression and SAD, and lost someone to depression (who was religious, just so you know. Guess your god isn't the fucking cure-all after all) I get a little offended.

[Phoenixfox]

One is a holy union in the eyes of God, one is not

Again, religion is irrelevant to the secular institution of civil marriage.

No such thing.

[Neutraligon]

It is all he has fucking done. He presumes he knows about depression, and spits on those that actually live with it, now he spits on all the non-religious by saying we are not happy, and he is.

It is really quite pathetic, but I don't know if I should laugh or cry.

Please don't do this. I would rather not see us all get slapped.

[Neutraligon]

Again, religion is irrelevant to the secular institution of civil marriage.

No such thing.

The US would like a word with you.

[Regnum Dominae]

If they are differentiating a term for which all the legal benefits are exactly the same, then that is by definition discrimination. It is probably the best example of how separate but equal does not exist.

That's like saying calling one place a town and calling the other a village is discrimination because the descriptive terms are different. If for all secular intents and purposes the new gay civil unions and traditional marriages are equal, then they are equal.

No, they're not. A town and a village are not the same thing, they are not equal.

Separate but "equal" is not equal. "Civil unions" is nothing but a pathetic attempt to continue the treatment of LGBT people as second class citizens, just less obviously so than before.

[Phoenixfox]

Except no one would actually be physically separating gay people, just differentiating the term used to refer to their union. There is a big difference there.

That's still a form of discrimination. Plus, some Christian gay couples may desire to be wed in the eyes of God.

Impossible. I'm sorry but God does not condone it. I'm not the one making the rules, don't get mad at me.

[Neutraligon]

If they are differentiating a term for which all the legal benefits are exactly the same, then that is by definition discrimination. It is probably the best example of how separate but equal does not exist.

That's like saying calling one place a town and calling the other a village is discrimination because the descriptive terms are different. If for all secular intents and purposes the new gay civil unions and traditional marriages are equal, then they are equal.

Is a town and a village legally the same thing?

[Regnum Dominae]

Again, religion is irrelevant to the secular institution of civil marriage.

No such thing.

No such thing as civil marriage? What world do you live in?

[Gaelic Celtia]

Again, religion is irrelevant to the secular institution of civil marriage.

No such thing.

Well every god damn legal system and governmement on Earth disagrees with you. Guess that means what you think civil marriage is or is not is downright worthless.

[Liriena]

If they are differentiating a term for which all the legal benefits are exactly the same, then that is by definition discrimination. It is probably the best example of how separate but equal does not exist.

That's like saying calling one place a town and calling the other a village is discrimination because the descriptive terms are different.

Bad analogy. Towns and villages are designated differently due to various factors, not one of which is "towns are sacred and villages are sinful".

If for all secular intents and purposes the new gay civil unions and traditional marriages are equal, then they are equal.

Except they are not.

[Neutraligon]

That's still a form of discrimination. Plus, some Christian gay couples may desire to be wed in the eyes of God.

Impossible. I'm sorry but God does not condone it. I'm not the one making the rules, don't get mad at me.

Considering that other religions wholeheartedly disagree, I would say you are just making it up.

[Menassa]

That's still a form of discrimination. Plus, some Christian gay couples may desire to be wed in the eyes of God.

Impossible. I'm sorry but God does not condone it. I'm not the one making the rules, don't get mad at me.

You have not provided sufficient evidence to prove this.

[Othelos]

Again, religion is irrelevant to the secular institution of civil marriage.

No such thing.

So, to maintain your position, you have to divorce yourself from reality.

Pretty ironic, considering you're so in favor of marriage.

[Phoenixfox]

How can you expect someone with a close, personal relationship with the living God to denounce him as equal to false idols?

Been there, done that. The relationship with God is entirely psychological.

It's made up.

It's possible but I doubt it. It feels to real to me. I've felt God in my life. What explanation could be for that and don't tell me it's all in my fucking head.

[Utceforp]

That's still a form of discrimination. Plus, some Christian gay couples may desire to be wed in the eyes of God.

Impossible. I'm sorry but God does not condone it. I'm not the one making the rules, don't get mad at me.

You're right, you're not the one making the rules. God is not the one making the rules either. Governments are who make the rules. So if gay couples want a Christian wedding, you can't stop them.

[Gaelic Celtia]

That's still a form of discrimination. Plus, some Christian gay couples may desire to be wed in the eyes of God.

Impossible. I'm sorry but God does not condone it. I'm not the one making the rules, don't get mad at me.

No you are just the unbelievably arrogant person who thinks he knows precisely everything about what god does and does not want. That is all. Go call down from your high horse to all the gays that love your god and Jesus as they're savior and tell them they are abominations and god does not love them.