Scotland to legalize Gay Marriage

[Wisconsin9]

you see, they are separate, but also equal!

Except no one would actually be physically separating gay people, just differentiating the term used to refer to their union. There is a big difference there.

No there isn't. If the only difference is how God views it, what does it matter how we view it?

[Ainin]

So what exactly is the difference between this and marriage?

One is a holy union in the eyes of God, one is not

For the seventh time, marriage is a civil institution.

[Phoenixfox]

Obviously, which is why I must try to change that fact. That's the whole point of me debating here...try plant the seeds of righteousness in a few of you. Even if it does not blossom today...maybe later in your life.

Your religion is no more valid than any other religion. You need to realize that before we have a reasonable discussion.

How can you expect someone with a close, personal relationship with the living God to denounce him as equal to false idols?

[Othelos]

you see, they are separate, but also equal!

Except no one would actually be physically separating gay people, just differentiating the term used to refer to their union. There is a big difference there.

Different terms, yet equal = separate but equal.

[Phoenixfox]

Of course not. Forced conversion is not conversion at all.

I do not intent to shove anything down throats, just show you the path and allow you follow it if you so choose.

I try to shove salvation down their throat

That was obviously in jest

[Neutraligon]

Your religion is no more valid than any other religion. You need to realize that before we have a reasonable discussion.

How can you expect someone with a close, personal relationship with the living God to denounce him as equal to false idols?

I could ask the same of you. But again, we are dealing with a civil institution, religion has nothing to do with it.

[Gaelic Celtia]

Your religion is no more valid than any other religion. You need to realize that before we have a reasonable discussion.

How can you expect someone with a close, personal relationship with the living God to denounce him as equal to false idols?

Everyone and their religious mother thinks theirs is the "one true god"

[Utceforp]

Your religion is no more valid than any other religion. You need to realize that before we have a reasonable discussion.

How can you expect someone with a close, personal relationship with the living God to denounce him as equal to false idols?

That's anecdotal evidence. Try again. Got any actual proof of your deity's existence?

[Othelos]

Your religion is no more valid than any other religion. You need to realize that before we have a reasonable discussion.

How can you expect someone with a close, personal relationship with the living God to denounce him as equal to false idols?

Been there, done that. The relationship with God is entirely psychological.

It's made up.

[Marcurix]

Your religion is no more valid than any other religion. You need to realize that before we have a reasonable discussion.

How can you expect someone with a close, personal relationship with the living God to denounce him as equal to false idols?

Don't give yourself too much credit there.

[Othelos]

That was obviously in jest

The parents and vegetable comments afterwards indicate that it wasn't.

[Phoenixfox]

Obviously, which is why I must try to change that fact. That's the whole point of me debating here...try plant the seeds of righteousness in a few of you. Even if it does not blossom today...maybe later in your life.

Religion is irrelevant to the secular institution of civil marriage.

Don't delude yourself...there not really such thing as marriage without God. That is why gay partners marrying is so offensive to me...it is literally shoving your sin and defiance in the face of God

[Wisconsin9]

Religion is irrelevant to the secular institution of civil marriage.

Don't delude yourself...there not really such thing as marriage without God. That is why gay partners marrying is so offensive to me...it is literally shoving your sin and defiance in the face of God

Good. God is a petty, vain, hypocritical, sociopathic dictator with a talent for genocide that would make Hitler green with envy.

[Othelos]

Religion is irrelevant to the secular institution of civil marriage.

Don't delude yourself...there not really such thing as marriage without God. That is why gay partners marrying is so offensive to me...it is literally shoving your sin and defiance in the face of God

You're confusing civil marriage with religious marriage.

[Krazakistan]

Religion is irrelevant to the secular institution of civil marriage.

Don't delude yourself...there not really such thing as marriage without God. That is why gay partners marrying is so offensive to me...it is literally shoving your sin and defiance in the face of God

Uh yep, you're a homophobe.

[Gaelic Celtia]

Religion is irrelevant to the secular institution of civil marriage.

Don't delude yourself...there not really such thing as marriage without God. That is why gay partners marrying is so offensive to me...it is literally shoving your sin and defiance in the face of God

Clearly the concept of civil marriage cannot get through your thick skull...

[Neutraligon]

Religion is irrelevant to the secular institution of civil marriage.

Don't delude yourself...there not really such thing as marriage without God. That is why gay partners marrying is so offensive to me...it is literally shoving your sin and defiance in the face of God

Considering atheists can and do marry, there is quite clearly marriage without god. There is also marriage before many gods.

[Gaelic Celtia]

Don't delude yourself...there not really such thing as marriage without God. That is why gay partners marrying is so offensive to me...it is literally shoving your sin and defiance in the face of God

Uh yep, you're a homophobe.

You act like that wasn't already known

[Phoenixfox]

If only you knew how wrong you are on both accounts

Care to prove him wrong without using arguments from a 2500 year old book written by men?

Gay sex results in high transmission of disease, studies have shown...more than heterosexual. Gays adopting denies the child the right to either a mother or father. Though I am more accepting of adoption than marriage for gays because I have seen the some children CAN be happy without a father or mother.

[Liriena]

Indeed, four sources in my post (which you of course ignored), and not a single one in yours.

Your sources, along with your entire line of thought, were irrelevant to the discussion. Your post was just one big glorified fallacy. Though I did make some factual claims without actually citing sources, the lack of sources for those claims does not in any way negate the fact that I caught you committing one massive fallacy throughout your post, rendering it invalid. Your post did not in any way refute any argument in favour of the state's recognition of same-sex marriage.

But who the fuck cares, right? You obviously don't care whether your arguments are actually relevant. You just wanted to pretend you were the smartest man in the room and intellectually masturbate to that delusion, regardless of whether you actually brought something relevant to the debate.

I also did not see a necessity in employing expletives to get my point across.

Oh, sweetie, I didn't need expletives to rip your post to shreds. I just used them because, why not? They don't actually affect my statements in any way. They just help illustrate just how frustratingly stupid your post was.

And I'm the illogical one? LOL.

And here you further demonstrate you don't understand shit about logic.

Me using expletives was not in any way fallacious, nor did it affect the veracity of my statements. The expletives were purely ornamental, and if you can't see that, then I'm sorry, but I have no choice but to doubt your intelligence, on top of your honesty. After all, I think it's pretty darn clear that:

argument + foul language =/= illogical argument

Much in the same way that:

argument + lots of smilies and kind words =/= logical argument

Do you see it now... LOL?

[Gaelic Celtia]

Don't delude yourself...there not really such thing as marriage without God. That is why gay partners marrying is so offensive to me...it is literally shoving your sin and defiance in the face of God

Considering atheists can and do marry, there is quite clearly marriage without god. There is also marriage before many gods.

And marriage before his god was ever made up by men.

[Krazakistan]

Uh yep, you're a homophobe.

You act like that wasn't already known

Hahaha, I was restating the obvious.

[Gaelic Celtia]

Care to prove him wrong without using arguments from a 2500 year old book written by men?

Gay sex results in high transmission of disease, studies have shown...more than heterosexual. Gays adopting denies the child the right to either a mother or father. Though I am more accepting of adoption than marriage for gays because I have seen the some children CAN be happy without a father or mother.

Please source these studies with a reliable and unbiased citation.

[Liriena]

Anyway, I still have yet to hear even a single valid argument against the legalization of same-sex marriage.

You obviously haven't been reading my posts then. You may disagree, but you must admit my arguments are relatively sound on most accounts.

No, they are not. They are vacuous assertions founded on circular logic.

[Meowfoundland]

Religion is irrelevant to the secular institution of civil marriage.

Don't delude yourself...there not really such thing as marriage without God. That is why gay partners marrying is so offensive to me...it is literally shoving your sin and defiance in the face of God

Do you support banning atheists, Hindus, Buddhists etc. from getting married?