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Postby Wisconsin9 » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:28 pm

Republic of Trollandia wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Religion was a common argument for racial oppression.

What? Many religions praise tolerance, well at least Buddhism does.

The Abrahamic religions have never been very good at that. They talk a mean game, but when push comes to shove it's rape and murder and oppression galore.
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Wisconsin9 wrote:Sure. Just like racists didn't hate black folks, they just didn't think they should be able to vote. That's totally not hate.

... It depends on the perspective as your putting it he seems evil but he never said such thing about racism yet you bring it in to a political metaphor rather than a faith or ideological metaphor. It's not a real connection otherwise, I for one agree with him. Seriously though use better metaphors that fit to the discussion type.


It fits perfectly.

The civil rights movement in the 1960s was for the acquisition of civil rights.

The LGBT rights movement now is also for the acquisition of civil rights.

The only difference now is that LGBT people aren't oppressed because of the color of their skin, but for their sexuality.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:29 pm

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Menassa wrote:You don't wear clothes of mixed threads?
You don't eat Shellfish?

I'm not effing Jewish or whatever you're referring to. If those things are actually in the Bible and not you pulling shit out of your ass like usual.....then I suppose I will try to abide by it.


Effing Jewish?
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Postby Utceforp » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:29 pm

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Wisconsin9 wrote:Don't you FUCKING DARE TO PRESUME WHAT I FEEL AND TELL ME WHAT I DO AND DON'T KNOW! AND HOW FUCKING DARE YOU SAY THAT TWO PEOPLE IN LOVE ARE BEING SELFISH WHEN YOU'RE WILLING TO THROW SEVEN HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE UNDER THE FUCKING BUS TO SAVE YOUR OWN SOUL!

It is a typical response of a sinner to become angry when confronted with his sins. It is selfish in the sense that they are putting their own sexual desires in front of the desires of their creator. And I have not thrown anyone under the bus. I truly want us to find a compromise that allows gays to be happy and live their life while still maintaining the purity of marriage.

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Wisconsin9 wrote:Don't you FUCKING DARE TO PRESUME WHAT I FEEL AND TELL ME WHAT I DO AND DON'T KNOW! AND HOW FUCKING DARE YOU SAY THAT TWO PEOPLE IN LOVE ARE BEING SELFISH WHEN YOU'RE WILLING TO THROW SEVEN HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE UNDER THE FUCKING BUS TO SAVE YOUR OWN SOUL!

It is a typical response of a sinner to become angry when confronted with his sins. It is selfish in the sense that they are putting their own sexual desires in front of the desires of their creator. And I have not thrown anyone under the bus. I truly want us to find a compromise that allows gays to be happy and live their life while still maintaining the purity of marriage.

As I am sure you are wearing a blended shirt at this moment, let us not have you talking down to "sinners", aye?
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Postby Menassa » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:29 pm

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Republic of Trollandia wrote:What? Many religions praise tolerance, well at least Buddhism does.

The Abrahamic religions have never been very good at that. They talk a mean game, but when push comes to shove it's rape and murder and oppression galore.

Generally Monotheistic religions are intolerant.
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Postby San » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:30 pm

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Wisconsin9 wrote:Don't you FUCKING DARE TO PRESUME WHAT I FEEL AND TELL ME WHAT I DO AND DON'T KNOW! AND HOW FUCKING DARE YOU SAY THAT TWO PEOPLE IN LOVE ARE BEING SELFISH WHEN YOU'RE WILLING TO THROW SEVEN HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE UNDER THE FUCKING BUS TO SAVE YOUR OWN SOUL!

It is a typical response of a sinner to become angry when confronted with his sins. It is selfish in the sense that they are putting their own sexual desires in front of the desires of their creator. And I have not thrown anyone under the bus. I truly want us to find a compromise that allows gays to be happy and live their life while still maintaining the purity of marriage.

don't fucking get me started on how stupid every word you just typed is.
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Postby Phoenixfox » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:30 pm

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Phoenixfox wrote:I'm not effing Jewish or whatever you're referring to. If those things are actually in the Bible and not you pulling shit out of your ass like usual.....then I suppose I will try to abide by it.

Why are Christian texts more valid than Jewish texts? If it's fine to deny civil rights to gay people based on the Bible, why isn't it fine to deny the right to eat shellfish based on the Torah?

One of them is the holy word of God, that's why.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:30 pm

Domenic and friends wrote:Awful news. Thank the good lord I don't live in Scotland.


For some reason I doubt the Scots are depressed over this.
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Postby Gaelic Celtia » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:31 pm

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Phoenixfox wrote:I'm not exactly rich. And even if I was...you don't know me. I do everything I can to live a life my God would approve of because I know I will face him one day and I want him to tell me "Well done, my good and faithful servant" :)

And where exactly in the Bible does it state that God will congratulate you for oppressing other people?

Let him have his delusion. If his god exists and we are allowed into heaven for doing good deeds rather than just blind and misguided faith, imagine his face when god turns him away from the gates for living a life of an oppressor.
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Postby Othelos » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:31 pm

Phoenixfox wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Don't you FUCKING DARE TO PRESUME WHAT I FEEL AND TELL ME WHAT I DO AND DON'T KNOW! AND HOW FUCKING DARE YOU SAY THAT TWO PEOPLE IN LOVE ARE BEING SELFISH WHEN YOU'RE WILLING TO THROW SEVEN HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE UNDER THE FUCKING BUS TO SAVE YOUR OWN SOUL!

It is a typical response of a sinner to become angry when confronted with his sins. It is selfish in the sense that they are putting their own sexual desires in front of the desires of their creator. And I have not thrown anyone under the bus. I truly want us to find a compromise that allows gays to be happy and live their life while still maintaining the purity of marriage.

Well, let's think about this objectively.

Who, exactly, are you helping, when you force others to go against who they naturally are?

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Postby Utceforp » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:31 pm

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Utceforp wrote:Why are Christian texts more valid than Jewish texts? If it's fine to deny civil rights to gay people based on the Bible, why isn't it fine to deny the right to eat shellfish based on the Torah?

One of them is the holy word of God, that's why.

According to you. You don't get to force your religion on anyone else.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:31 pm

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Wisconsin9 wrote:Don't you FUCKING DARE TO PRESUME WHAT I FEEL AND TELL ME WHAT I DO AND DON'T KNOW! AND HOW FUCKING DARE YOU SAY THAT TWO PEOPLE IN LOVE ARE BEING SELFISH WHEN YOU'RE WILLING TO THROW SEVEN HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE UNDER THE FUCKING BUS TO SAVE YOUR OWN SOUL!

It is a typical response of a sinner to become angry when confronted with his sins. It is selfish in the sense that they are putting their own sexual desires in front of the desires of their creator. And I have not thrown anyone under the bus. I truly want us to find a compromise that allows gays to be happy and live their life while still maintaining the purity of marriage.

It is a typical response of a slightly-less-than-rational person to become angry when confronted with a lying hypocritical bigot like yourself. You want a compromise? Get the fuck out of other people's business and other people will stay the fuck out of yours.
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Postby Krazakistan » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:31 pm

Phoenixfox wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Don't you FUCKING DARE TO PRESUME WHAT I FEEL AND TELL ME WHAT I DO AND DON'T KNOW! AND HOW FUCKING DARE YOU SAY THAT TWO PEOPLE IN LOVE ARE BEING SELFISH WHEN YOU'RE WILLING TO THROW SEVEN HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE UNDER THE FUCKING BUS TO SAVE YOUR OWN SOUL!

It is a typical response of a sinner to become angry when confronted with his sins. It is selfish in the sense that they are putting their own sexual desires in front of the desires of their creator. And I have not thrown anyone under the bus. I truly want us to find a compromise that allows gays to be happy and live their life while still maintaining the purity of marriage.


The purity of marriage?

The fuck?

Here's a serious question that I expect an answer for: If you're so pushy for the sanctity of marriage to be upheld by denying a group of people basic human rights, why haven't you made any arguments against divorce? It says pretty clearly in your "holy" book that divorce is not allowed.
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Postby Menassa » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:31 pm

Phoenixfox wrote:
Utceforp wrote:Why are Christian texts more valid than Jewish texts? If it's fine to deny civil rights to gay people based on the Bible, why isn't it fine to deny the right to eat shellfish based on the Torah?

One of them is the holy word of God, that's why.

The Old Testament is not the Holy word of God?
It's where you base your dislike of homosexual marriage from.
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Postby Phoenixfox » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:32 pm

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Phoenixfox wrote:I do but others do. It's because I care about others that I must try to save them from sin. Surely you can see that my arguments, though you disagree, come from a good place in my heart?


"I must try to save them from sin"

You've just admitted that you will try and shove your religion down other people's throats.

I try to shove salvation down their throat ;)

Like parents try to force their kids to eat veggies even if they don't like it. It's good for them.
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Postby Gaelic Celtia » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:32 pm

Phoenixfox wrote:
Utceforp wrote:Why are Christian texts more valid than Jewish texts? If it's fine to deny civil rights to gay people based on the Bible, why isn't it fine to deny the right to eat shellfish based on the Torah?

One of them is the holy word of God, that's why.

And why is yours the holy word of a god. Are you saying the Torah is not? The Quran? That the Hindu are wrong in their beliefs? What makes yours the "right" one?
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:32 pm

Phoenixfox wrote:
Utceforp wrote:Why are Christian texts more valid than Jewish texts? If it's fine to deny civil rights to gay people based on the Bible, why isn't it fine to deny the right to eat shellfish based on the Torah?

One of them is the holy word of God, that's why.


Actually, according to my religion, your bible is at best the words of a false prophet, and at worse an attempt to lead people astray from the correct path. There are of course a lot of other religions who have their own beliefs. The problem with making laws based on you religion is that not everyone is your religion.
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Utceforp wrote:Why are Christian texts more valid than Jewish texts? If it's fine to deny civil rights to gay people based on the Bible, why isn't it fine to deny the right to eat shellfish based on the Torah?

One of them is the holy word of God, that's why.

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Utceforp wrote:
Phoenixfox wrote:One of them is the holy word of God, that's why.

According to you. You don't get to force your religion on anyone else.

Especially considering the Torah is part of the Christian Bible.
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Postby Utceforp » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:32 pm

Phoenixfox wrote:
Krazakistan wrote:
"I must try to save them from sin"

You've just admitted that you will try and shove your religion down other people's throats.

I try to shove salvation down their throat ;)

Like parents try to force their kids to eat veggies even if they don't like it. It's good for them.

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Phoenixfox wrote:
Utceforp wrote:Why are Christian texts more valid than Jewish texts? If it's fine to deny civil rights to gay people based on the Bible, why isn't it fine to deny the right to eat shellfish based on the Torah?

One of them is the holy word of God, that's why.

You can't objectively choose one over the other.

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Postby Gaelic Celtia » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:33 pm

Phoenixfox wrote:
Utceforp wrote:Why are Christian texts more valid than Jewish texts? If it's fine to deny civil rights to gay people based on the Bible, why isn't it fine to deny the right to eat shellfish based on the Torah?

One of them is the holy word of God, that's why.

Also, are you saying the Old Testament is not the word of your god then?
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Postby Krazakistan » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:33 pm

Phoenixfox wrote:
Utceforp wrote:Why are Christian texts more valid than Jewish texts? If it's fine to deny civil rights to gay people based on the Bible, why isn't it fine to deny the right to eat shellfish based on the Torah?

One of them is the holy word of God, that's why.


"My religion is true-er than your religion"

Please tell me why your version of Christianity, that one single version rather than the over forty thousand different versions, is true?
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