Scotland to legalize Gay Marriage

[The Scientific States]

This.

Simply put you're saying, "I don't hate gays, I just think they should be unhappy."

I want gays to be happy, but not married. I think there is a way we can satisfy your happiness without marriage?

There is no reason to deny us marriage. If two consenting people love each other, then they should be able to get married.

Do you think it's logical to say "You guys can get married, you guys can't."

[Wisconsin9]

This.

Simply put you're saying, "I don't hate gays, I just think they should be unhappy."

I want gays to be happy, but not married. I think there is a way we can satisfy your happiness without marriage?

No. Nobody is equal until everybody is equal, nobody is free until everybody is free.

[Gaelic Celtia]

Actually in some cases it is required, like in the case where one of the couple is not a citizen and the other is. Marriage would allow the non-citizen to stay with their significant other.

All of these rights that gay people are lacking should be integrated into gay civil unions. That way they are essentially "married" without defiling the holy sacrament. Everyone's happy.

There are religious people who are homosexual. You realize this yes? what about them? Are they to be denied their wish to be married in the eyes of their loving God?

[Phoenixfox]

All of these rights that gay people are lacking should be integrated into gay civil unions. That way they are essentially "married" without defiling the holy sacrament. Everyone's happy.

Marriage is already defined as a civil institution. People can be married in front of a judge, they can be married with no religious figure present. Marriage is not a holy sacrament. If you want a word for that use matrimony.

It is still a holy sacrament no matter where it happens or who performs it. Even if the couple doesn't realize it.

[Liriena]

Actually in some cases it is required, like in the case where one of the couple is not a citizen and the other is. Marriage would allow the non-citizen to stay with their significant other.

All of these rights that gay people are lacking should be integrated into gay civil unions. That way they are essentially "married" without defiling the holy sacrament. Everyone's happy.

Civil marriage is not a "holy sacrament". That's matrimony you're thinking about, and it's an entirely separate institution from civil marriage.

And not everyone would be happy, since instating "civil unions" would be just another form of "separate but equal", granting same-sex couples rights while implying that they are still inferior to different-sex couples.

[Neutraligon]

All of these rights that gay people are lacking should be integrated into gay civil unions. That way they are essentially "married" without defiling the holy sacrament. Everyone's happy.

There are religious people who are homosexual. You realize this yes? what about them? Are they to be denied their wish to be married in the eyes of their loving God?

Especially when their religious institution is willing to do so.

[The Scientific States]

Marriage is already defined as a civil institution. People can be married in front of a judge, they can be married with no religious figure present. Marriage is not a holy sacrament. If you want a word for that use matrimony.

It is still a holy sacrament no matter where it happens or who performs it. Even if the couple doesn't realize it.

Your religion shouldn't dictate other's lives.

[Wisconsin9]

Marriage is already defined as a civil institution. People can be married in front of a judge, they can be married with no religious figure present. Marriage is not a holy sacrament. If you want a word for that use matrimony.

It is still a holy sacrament no matter where it happens or who performs it. Even if the couple doesn't realize it.

Convince the government of that and you've got a shot. Good fucking luck.

[Gaelic Celtia]

Marriage is already defined as a civil institution. People can be married in front of a judge, they can be married with no religious figure present. Marriage is not a holy sacrament. If you want a word for that use matrimony.

It is still a holy sacrament no matter where it happens or who performs it. Even if the couple doesn't realize it.

That makes literally zero sense. Civil marriage is not a sacrament.

[Krazakistan]

Marriage is already defined as a civil institution. People can be married in front of a judge, they can be married with no religious figure present. Marriage is not a holy sacrament. If you want a word for that use matrimony.

It is still a holy sacrament no matter where it happens or who performs it. Even if the couple doesn't realize it.

You do understand the fact that marriage was around long before the bible was written by man?

[San]

Marriage is already defined as a civil institution. People can be married in front of a judge, they can be married with no religious figure present. Marriage is not a holy sacrament. If you want a word for that use matrimony.

It is still a holy sacrament no matter where it happens or who performs it. Even if the couple doesn't realize it.

religion doesn't have a monopoly on marriage, nor did they invent it.

[Phoenixfox]

I want gays to be happy, but not married. I think there is a way we can satisfy your happiness without marriage?

Do you think it's logical to say "You guys can get married, you guys can't."

Anyone and everyone has the right to get married, as long as it's to the correct gender. No one is deprived of their right to marry. They are trying to extend this right beyond its proper definition.

[Neutraligon]

Marriage is already defined as a civil institution. People can be married in front of a judge, they can be married with no religious figure present. Marriage is not a holy sacrament. If you want a word for that use matrimony.

It is still a holy sacrament no matter where it happens or who performs it. Even if the couple doesn't realize it.

So, an atheist couple being married before a judge, with no religious ceremony (simply signing the certificate) is still a holy sacrament...Makes sense to me....

[Wisconsin9]

Do you think it's logical to say "You guys can get married, you guys can't."

Anyone and everyone has the right to get married, as long as it's to the correct gender. No one is deprived of their right to marry. They are trying to extend this right beyond its proper definition.

Just like they were trying to extend it beyond its proper definition by making interracial marriage legal, right?

[Phoenixfox]

All of these rights that gay people are lacking should be integrated into gay civil unions. That way they are essentially "married" without defiling the holy sacrament. Everyone's happy.

There are religious people who are homosexual. You realize this yes? what about them? Are they to be denied their wish to be married in the eyes of their loving God?

No. They can marry someone who is the correct gender. Everyone has the right to be married...to the right person.

[Krazakistan]

Do you think it's logical to say "You guys can get married, you guys can't."

Anyone and everyone has the right to get married, as long as it's to the correct gender. No one is deprived of their right to marry. They are trying to extend this right beyond its proper definition.

The fuck is the "correct" gender?

[Neutraligon]

Do you think it's logical to say "You guys can get married, you guys can't."

Anyone and everyone has the right to get married, as long as it's to the correct gender. No one is deprived of their right to marry. They are trying to extend this right beyond its proper definition.

The state gets to define marriage, thus if the state decides that marriage is between two people, regardless of sex(Yes I am choosing this word specifically), then that is the definition of marriage. The same was said for interracial couples, that didn't stand very well.

[Gaelic Celtia]

There are religious people who are homosexual. You realize this yes? what about them? Are they to be denied their wish to be married in the eyes of their loving God?

No. They can marry someone who is the correct gender. Everyone has the right to be married...to the right person.

There is no "correct gender" and the right person is the person someone loves and wants to spend their life with. SO you are right. They should have the right to be married to the right person.

[The Scientific States]

Do you think it's logical to say "You guys can get married, you guys can't."

Anyone and everyone has the right to get married, as long as it's to the correct gender. No one is deprived of their right to marry. They are trying to extend this right beyond its proper definition.

You don't have a monopoly on the definition of marriage.

Also, define "correct gender."

[San]

correct gender.

oh, for fuck's sake.

[Liriena]

There are religious people who are homosexual. You realize this yes? what about them? Are they to be denied their wish to be married in the eyes of their loving God?

No. They can marry someone who is the correct gender. Everyone has the right to be married...to the right person.

Why do you restrict marriage to only one man and one woman?

The answer can't be "holy sacrament", since many religious denominations marry same-sex couples.

[Phoenixfox]

Anyone and everyone has the right to get married, as long as it's to the correct gender. No one is deprived of their right to marry. They are trying to extend this right beyond its proper definition.

Just like they were trying to extend it beyond its proper definition by making interracial marriage legal, right?

No, the Bible says nothing against interracial relations. That was just people being bigoted and racist and using religion as an excuse.

[Wisconsin9]

Just like they were trying to extend it beyond its proper definition by making interracial marriage legal, right?

No, the Bible says nothing against interracial relations. That was just people being bigoted and racist and using religion as an excuse.

Which is exactly what you're doing right now.

[The Black Forrest]

There are religious people who are homosexual. You realize this yes? what about them? Are they to be denied their wish to be married in the eyes of their loving God?

No. They can marry someone who is the correct gender. Everyone has the right to be married...to the right person.

That argument was used with interracial marriages.

[Krazakistan]

Just like they were trying to extend it beyond its proper definition by making interracial marriage legal, right?

No, the Bible says nothing against interracial relations. That was just people being bigoted and racist and using religion as an excuse.

You just described everyone against LGBT rights (replace racist with homophobe), there. I hope you realize this.