Transgender Woman in Dressing Room: Controversy/Debate

[Farnhamia]

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/3128879091001

This is what happens when a "social justice" movement like the trans movement is treated like it's above criticism. All someone needs to do is identify as "mentally" the opposite sex (however that could be defined) and it's like a get out of jail free card for what anyone else of that sex who wasn't trans could have been arrested for.

Mod Edit: Changed the title to something less offensive

[Len Hyet]

While I'm all for trans* rights, and equality of treatment for all, I think in this particular and specific case, something went very wrong. A naked man with a full erection in a woman's changing room? Yeah something there is seriously wrong.

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/3128879091001

This is what happens when a "social justice" movement like the trans movement is treated like it's above criticism. All someone needs to do is identify as "mentally" the opposite sex (however that could be defined) and it's like a get out of jail free card for what anyone else of that sex who wasn't trans could have been arrested for.

A group is defending this person in court and suddenly they're out of jail free?

[Neighbor]

No pic no proof

[Sun Wukong]

The Sun.

[The Scientific States]

I strongly support Transgender Rights, but this is a little ridiculous.

[Krazakistan]

Wat.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

Isn't the sun satire or something?

Regardless I would prefer some other sources :|

[Vicious Debaters]

Hey, let's transform a single incident in it's meaningless and questionable glory into a big deal! We don't even know if it's real.at all like they reported it. Woo-hoo.

I'm still wondering what this really is...

[Seaxeland]

Just another day in "What could possibly go wrong?" Liberal-land.

[Neighbor]

The stupid thing about this story (despite that its anecdotal), is that a lesbian could just as easily be in a locker room and become sexually excited, yet since they don't have a penis nobody would give a shit.

EDIT: Also that Sun host looks like he might be a closeted homosexual. 10:1 he is caught with a trans prostitute in the next 6 months.

[Len Hyet]

The Sun.

No pic no proof

It happened, I found a few other sources.

OHRC Defens Transgendered Man with Erection in Women's Changeroom
Transgender woman’s behaviour in changeroom unacceptable: Gallinger
OHRC defends transgendered man with erection in women's changeroom

[Trotskylvania]

And I suppose this single instance, if it is indeed true and not being blown out of proportion, excuses the OP's bigoted statements?

I honestly cannot find any other interpretation of the hateful comments in the OP. Thankfully, the rest of us recognize this is much ado about nothing.

[Novorobo]

Isn't the sun satire or something?

Regardless I would prefer some other sources :|

http://www.thestar.com/life/2014/01/04/ ... inger.html

The Sun can be a little sensationalist sometimes, but they know that making something up would be a public relations nightmare.

[Trotskylvania]

Just another day in "What could possibly go wrong?" Liberal-land.

Blaming other people for your own intolerance is tactless and vile.

[Geilinor]

Slippery slope fallacy.
"If we respect trans* people, the world will be perverted and ruined!"

[Len Hyet]

And I suppose this single instance, if it is indeed true and not being blown out of proportion, excuses the OP's bigoted statements?

I honestly cannot find any other interpretation of the hateful comments in the OP. Thankfully, the rest of us recognize this is much ado about nothing.

Yeah that was a little... extreme.

But I do think we need to take another look at the policies about letting transgendered people who have yet to undergo physical treatment use the changing room of whatever gender they identify as. For example, a FTM transgendered person who has yet to undergo therapy probably shouldn't get naked in the men's changing room. Its just a bad idea. Similarly, although not the same, a MTF trans* person shouldn't change in the woman's changing room, because its going to make everyone else hugely uncomfortable, and the comfort of one person doesn't outweigh the comfort of a dozen other people in this instance.

[Belzia]

While I'm all for trans* rights, and equality of treatment for all, I think in this particular and specific case, something went very wrong. A naked man with a full erection in a woman's changing room? Yeah something there is seriously wrong.

I think this sums up how I feel about this.

[Krazakistan]

Slippery slope fallacy.
"If we respect trans* people, the world will be perverted and ruined!"

Anti-LGBT rights protesters/supporters in a nutshell.

[Seaxeland]

Just another day in "What could possibly go wrong?" Liberal-land.

Blaming other people for your own intolerance is tactless and vile.

What the Hell are you talking about?

[Novorobo]

The stupid thing about this story (despite that its anecdotal), is that a lesbian could just as easily be in a locker room and become sexually excited, yet since they don't have a penis nobody would give a shit.

EDIT: Also that Sun host looks like he might be a closeted homosexual. 10:1 he is caught with a trans prostitute in the next 6 months.

Maybe he will be, but prostitution is a victimless crime, while sexual harassment is not.

And yeah, it's stupid that women aren't as offended at sexual harassment from women as from men, but that's a manner of sexism, not transphobia. The problem is the presence of the penis, not of whether or not it contrasts with someone's "gender identity."

Trying to absolve the "trans" movement of blame for this is ridiculous. You treat any movement like it's immune from criticism, and then there are those who will take advantage of that. It was true about Christianity, and now it's true about this.

[Vicious Debaters]

Well the Sun guy was totally wrong with his accusations. I thought he seemed like a bit of a dick based off his mannerisms.

1. The "Evil Politically Correct Thought Police" mostly agrees with him about the inappropriate nature of the incident.
2. This trans person is probably just a peeping tom who was trying to get away with something, not an actual trans person.
3. Everyone agrees this is bad. Some people just don't want to use it as an excuse to discriminate against Transpersons.
4. Transgendered rights supporters are in favor of having non-gender specific washrooms and changing rooms.

[Novorobo]

Slippery slope fallacy.
"If we respect trans* people, the world will be perverted and ruined!"

Anti-LGBT rights protesters/supporters in a nutshell.

More like "if we make it mandatory to respect them, and require people to go along with gender identity, providing no deterrence against falsely claiming gender identity to get into women's locker rooms, there are those who will take advantage of that."

I'm all for gay rights, but gender identity is a whole different ball game.

[Trotskylvania]

And I suppose this single instance, if it is indeed true and not being blown out of proportion, excuses the OP's bigoted statements?

I honestly cannot find any other interpretation of the hateful comments in the OP. Thankfully, the rest of us recognize this is much ado about nothing.

Yeah that was a little... extreme.

But I do think we need to take another look at the policies about letting transgendered people who have yet to undergo physical treatment use the changing room of whatever gender they identify as. For example, a FTM transgendered person who has yet to undergo therapy probably shouldn't get naked in the men's changing room. Its just a bad idea. Similarly, although not the same, a MTF trans* person shouldn't change in the woman's changing room, because its going to make everyone else hugely uncomfortable, and the comfort of one person doesn't outweigh the comfort of a dozen other people in this instance.

As if someone who is presenting as a woman but hasn't biologically transitioned yet wouldn't cause any less trouble using the men's room.

[Len Hyet]

Yeah that was a little... extreme.

But I do think we need to take another look at the policies about letting transgendered people who have yet to undergo physical treatment use the changing room of whatever gender they identify as. For example, a FTM transgendered person who has yet to undergo therapy probably shouldn't get naked in the men's changing room. Its just a bad idea. Similarly, although not the same, a MTF trans* person shouldn't change in the woman's changing room, because its going to make everyone else hugely uncomfortable, and the comfort of one person doesn't outweigh the comfort of a dozen other people in this instance.

As if someone who is presenting as a woman but hasn't biologically transitioned yet wouldn't cause any less trouble using the men's room.

I'm not sure what you're saying, I just said that a FTM transgendered person who has yet to undergo therapy shouldn't use the men's room.