Is Kosovo part of Serbia?

[Exi1and]

It is not independent, some areas still controlled by Serbia and Russia and China did not recognize him. If some terrorists and criminals say they have created a separate country does not mean that should be accepted.

Only North Kosovo is controlled by Serbs. The majority of Kosovo is running itself. It's even elected a government for itself.
The USA, Canada, & most of the EU recognise Kosovo.
It doesn't matter what anyone says - it's actions that matter. Kosovo is operating independently.
The majority of Kosovo's population are not terrorists or criminals.

None of these facts do not erase the history of a thousand years, Kosovo is still legally belongs to Serbia. Just because someone steals 9 of 10 rooms in your house, and someone that helped them steal it says that they think that they are the new owner did not it was legal or that you have to accept the situation.

[New caanan]

kosovo is independent serbia's just trying to hold itself together

[Conscentia]

Only North Kosovo is controlled by Serbs. The majority of Kosovo is running itself. It's even elected a government for itself.
The USA, Canada, & most of the EU recognise Kosovo.
It doesn't matter what anyone says - it's actions that matter. Kosovo is operating independently.
The majority of Kosovo's population are not terrorists or criminals.

None of these facts do not erase the history of a thousand years, Kosovo is still legally belongs to Serbia. Just because someone steals 9 of 10 rooms in your house, and someone that helped them steal it says that they think that they are the new owner did not it was legal or that you have to accept the situation.

Again, "A nations claims to land it does not control are without meaning - it's just hot air expelled in futility".

If someone steals part of my house, they are living there regardless of what I or the law says, until the police kick them out. Until then, they in control of the property.

[Shofercia]

None of these facts do not erase the history of a thousand years, Kosovo is still legally belongs to Serbia. Just because someone steals 9 of 10 rooms in your house, and someone that helped them steal it says that they think that they are the new owner did not it was legal or that you have to accept the situation.

Again, "A nations claims to land it does not control are without meaning - it's just hot air expelled in futility".

Are you talking about South Kosovo's claim to North Kosovo?

[Great Kleomentia]

Again, "A nations claims to land it does not control are without meaning - it's just hot air expelled in futility".

Are you talking about South Kosovo's claim to North Kosovo?

Or perhaps Albania's claim to Kosovo or even Albania itself?

[Exi1and]

None of these facts do not erase the history of a thousand years, Kosovo is still legally belongs to Serbia. Just because someone steals 9 of 10 rooms in your house, and someone that helped them steal it says that they think that they are the new owner did not it was legal or that you have to accept the situation.

Again, "A nations claims to land it does not control are without meaning - it's just hot air expelled in futility".

If someone steals part of my house, they are living there regardless of what I or the law says, until the police kick them out. Until then, they in control of the property.

And the Government of Kosovo will remain in control over Kosovo until Serbia kicks them out. That's no reason to claim that they lawfully in control until that happens.

[Conscentia]

Again, "A nations claims to land it does not control are without meaning - it's just hot air expelled in futility".

Are you talking about South Kosovo's claim to North Kosovo?

About Serbia's claims to South Kosovo, but it seems to apply to the example you've also provided.

That South Kosovo is reliant on NATO & EULEX does not mean that it is not self-governing. No-one debates the independence of the Vatican city, but the Vatican relies heavily on Italy.

[Conscentia]

And the Government of Kosovo will remain in control over Kosovo until Serbia kicks them out.

Serbia has not kicked them out.

That's no reason to claim that they lawfully in control until that happens.

I didn't make any claims regarding law.

[Risottia]

BTW Ris, I don't know if you're watching, but that was a good performance by the Italian duo. Congrats!

Can't see the OG here. In this neighbourhood of Milan we're in a weird shadow and can't catch the RaiSport channels.

[Great Kleomentia]

BTW Ris, I don't know if you're watching, but that was a good performance by the Italian duo. Congrats!

Can't see the OG here. In this neighbourhood of Milan we're in a weird shadow and can't catch the RaiSport channels.

But how? I can catch it, how the hell cant you?

[Risottia]

Can't see the OG here. In this neighbourhood of Milan we're in a weird shadow and can't catch the RaiSport channels.

But how? I can catch it, how the hell cant you?

Signal from the main Milan mast is shadowed by some skyscrapers, and the signal from the other mast on the Apennines isn't powerful enough.

[Conscentia]

Are you talking about South Kosovo's claim to North Kosovo?

Or perhaps Albania's claim to Kosovo or even Albania itself?

Does Albania have any official claims to Kosovo?
I'm quite Albania is not a government-in-exile.

[Risottia]

Or perhaps Albania's claim to Kosovo or even Albania itself?

Does Albania have any official claims to Kosovo?
I'm quite Albania is not a government-in-exile.

Official claims, no.
I've known many Albanian expats who think of Kosovo as part of Albania, though.

[Great Kleomentia]

Does Albania have any official claims to Kosovo?
I'm quite Albania is not a government-in-exile.

Official claims, no.
I've known many Albanian expats who think of Kosovo as part of Albania, though.

^

[Exi1and]

And the Government of Kosovo will remain in control over Kosovo until Serbia kicks them out.

Serbia has not kicked them out.

That's no reason to claim that they lawfully in control until that happens.

I didn't make any claims regarding law.

Not yet. And no one can argue that the Kosovo government is legitimate because it is not.

[Conscentia]

Does Albania have any official claims to Kosovo?
I'm quite Albania is not a government-in-exile.

Official claims, no.
I've known many Albanian expats who think of Kosovo as part of Albania, though.

Well those claims are meaningless too.

[Conscentia]

Serbia has not kicked them out.
I didn't make any claims regarding law.

Not yet. And no one can argue that the Kosovo government is legitimate because it is not.

Define legitimate.

[Shofercia]

Are you talking about South Kosovo's claim to North Kosovo?

About Serbia's claims to South Kosovo, but it seems to apply to the example you've also provided.

That South Kosovo is reliant on NATO & EULEX does not mean that it is not self-governing. No-one debates the independence of the Vatican city, but the Vatican relies heavily on Italy.

Vatican City also offers tangible benefits to Italy, mostly in the form of tourist dollars. How many hotels does the Vatican have? How many tourists does the Vatican bring to Rome? So the relationship there is mutually beneficial. On the other hand South Kosovo is dependent on NATO & EU. For instance, France is a member of both, but France isn't dependent on them for survival. France can enter, leave, reenter, and take a nap in the process. What tangible benefit does South Kosovo provide to EU/NATO?

BTW Ris, I don't know if you're watching, but that was a good performance by the Italian duo. Congrats!

Can't see the OG here. In this neighbourhood of Milan we're in a weird shadow and can't catch the RaiSport channels.

That sucks

They don't do online streaming?

Not yet. And no one can argue that the Kosovo government is legitimate because it is not.

Define legitimate.

Depends on the international organization. For some it's legitimate. For others it is not legitimate. Unless one is a UN Member, international organizations can pick and choose whether they want you or not.

(Edit: sorry, read that as definitely legitimate the first time around, my mistake )

[Conscentia]

About Serbia's claims to South Kosovo, but it seems to apply to the example you've also provided.
That South Kosovo is reliant on NATO & EULEX does not mean that it is not self-governing. No-one debates the independence of the Vatican city, but the Vatican relies heavily on Italy.

Vatican City also offers tangible benefits to Italy, mostly in the form of tourist dollars. How many hotels does the Vatican have? How many tourists does the Vatican bring to Rome? So the relationship there is mutually beneficial. On the other hand South Kosovo is dependent on NATO & EU. For instance, France is a member of both, but France isn't dependent on them for survival. France can enter, leave, reenter, and take a nap in the process. What tangible benefit does South Kosovo provide to EU/NATO?

Whether the existence of Kosovo is beneficial to those it relies on is not relevant.

Malaria isn't helpful to anyone either - it still exists.

[Shofercia]

Vatican City also offers tangible benefits to Italy, mostly in the form of tourist dollars. How many hotels does the Vatican have? How many tourists does the Vatican bring to Rome? So the relationship there is mutually beneficial. On the other hand South Kosovo is dependent on NATO & EU. For instance, France is a member of both, but France isn't dependent on them for survival. France can enter, leave, reenter, and take a nap in the process. What tangible benefit does South Kosovo provide to EU/NATO?

Whether the existence of Kosovo is beneficial to those it relies on is not relevant.

Malaria isn't helpful to anyone either - it still exists.

No one's saying that Kosovo doesn't exist. No one's saying that malaria has a right to exist either.

[Conscentia]

Whether the existence of Kosovo is beneficial to those it relies on is not relevant.
Malaria isn't helpful to anyone either - it still exists.

No one's saying that Kosovo doesn't exist. No one's saying that malaria has a right to exist either.

Personally, I'd like to see Malaria go extinct. I don't particularly care whether or not Kosovo persists.

[Shofercia]

No one's saying that Kosovo doesn't exist. No one's saying that malaria has a right to exist either.

Personally, I'd like to see Malaria go extinct. I don't particularly care whether or not Kosovo persists.

Fair enough

[Kadolha]

Does Albania have any official claims to Kosovo?
I'm quite Albania is not a government-in-exile.

Official claims, no.
I've known many Albanian expats who think of Kosovo as part of Albania, though.

They claim Kosovo is their just cause they lost the Kosovo War, and they claim they won it. Albanians are total cowards, asked NATO to help. Kosovo is Serbia, and it's not independent.

[Exi1and]

Official claims, no.
I've known many Albanian expats who think of Kosovo as part of Albania, though.

They claim Kosovo is their just cause they lost the Kosovo War, and they claim they won it. Albanians are total cowards, asked NATO to help. Kosovo is Serbia, and it's not independent.

I agree. So many people say that North Kosovo should join Serbia, but it has joined with Serbia. This is the rest of Kosovo, that is the problem, it must be connected with Serbia.

[Divair]

They claim Kosovo is their just cause they lost the Kosovo War, and they claim they won it. Albanians are total cowards, asked NATO to help. Kosovo is Serbia, and it's not independent.

I agree. So many people say that North Kosovo should join Serbia, but it has joined with Serbia. This is the rest of Kosovo, that is the problem, it must be connected with Serbia.

Nah.