Is Kosovo part of Serbia?

[Dangelia]

Kosovo is Kosovar. The northern bit can go back to Serbia.

That will make the country even worst economically if they give up that piece of land

[Mirkana]

Kosovo is Kosovar. The northern bit can go back to Serbia.

That will make the country even worst economically if they give up that piece of land

So be it. If Kosovo claims the right of self-determination, they must allow their own people the same right.

[Shofercia]

It's the result of the Bombing of Belgrade. Apparently when you bomb people and inform them that it's in the name of Human Rights, or ask others to do your very own dirty work, they're going to not like you very much...

Besides, Kosovo's a Mafia State, once the EU funding dries up, the internal structures are going to start to collapse.

That's because you suppose that the mafia won't fund it anymore.

Who'll fund the Kosovo Mafia?

While I agree that Nationalism is silly, one has to realize that it's not just going to go away by people calling it silly on internet forums. One must find out what drives Nationalism. One of the things that does, as has been repeatedly demonstrated throughout history, (Verdun at WWI, Leningrad & London at WWII, Vietnam War,) is bombing a nation's capital into submission. That's when the people see something that's truly unjust, and believe that their best recourse is towards nationalism. Mistakes have to be acknowledged and admitted, if Nationalism is to be challenged. Otherwise you're portraying the aggressors as bombing liars, and that'll simply create more Nationalism from the side that was bombed, irrespective of what goes on in online forums.

I notice you left out Berlin, Tokyo and any number of other cities in Axis countries during WWII. Those were cases where people did let things go, did recognise that bad things were done by their own people as well as the other side, and made a conscious decision (perhaps more conscious in Germany than Japan) that it's important to not only let bygones be bygones, but actually attack nationalistic thought for the harmful thing it is. And that despite there never having been a real apology or the admission of a mistake for those bombing campaigns.

That ought to be possible for Serbs too (and I'm certain that many of them are doing just that), especially since you'd have to agree that the consequences of WWII for Germany and Japan were rather worse than the consequences of the NATO bombing campaign for Serbia.

While I understand that certain NATO countries that bombed Kosovo want the Serbs to "get over it" and "let bygones be bygones", they should realize that there are two problems with that: first, "getting over it" doesn't help Serbia or Serbs one bit. Germany and Japan were fucked because of a war they started. On the other hand, incidences like Racak provide a questionable NATO report of alleged Serb guilt, whereas the Rape of Nanking and Holocaust are well known and well established war crimes. Second, certain countries in NATO are still doing that, be it Iraq in 2003, or helping the Nationalists out in Ukraine, i.e. the Banderovites. It's very much an ongoing process. On top of everything else, NATO refuses to give back North Kosovo to Serbia, thus making themselves look like enormous hypocrites. All of these things contribute to Nationalism in Serbia.

You say let bygones be bygones. Why isn't NATO applying those standards to North Kosovo? Why is the EU keeping Serbia out? Why the attack on Iraq in 2003 using similar methods? Why support for Nationalism in some countries, but not others? Why is the CoE keeping Belarus out? I could go on and on, but until the hypocrisy is defeated, it's pointless asking the Serbs to let bygones be bygones. You want to let bygones be bygones - lead by example. I've yet to see you make a post for the return of North Kosovo to Serbia.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

All is part of Serbia, and Serbia is part of all.

[Neu Leonstein]

While I understand that certain NATO countries that bombed Kosovo want the Serbs to "get over it" and "let bygones be bygones", they should realize that there are two problems with that: first, "getting over it" doesn't help Serbia or Serbs one bit.

It obviously does. The Kosovo issue is the biggest thing standing in the way of joining the EU membership process the way Croatia for example has done.

Germany and Japan were fucked because of a war they started. On the other hand, incidences like Racak provide a questionable NATO report of alleged Serb guilt, whereas the Rape of Nanking and Holocaust are well known and well established war crimes. Second, certain countries in NATO are still doing that, be it Iraq in 2003, or helping the Nationalists out in Ukraine, i.e. the Banderovites. It's very much an ongoing process. On top of everything else, NATO refuses to give back North Kosovo to Serbia, thus making themselves look like enormous hypocrites. All of these things contribute to Nationalism in Serbia.

No, I genuinely don't think nationalism in Serbia would be any different if the Iraq War hadn't happened, or if people unhappy with Yanukovich had just let him continue selling out the place. These are arguments that you can bring up to support your notion of what NATO is and does. Maybe some Serbs would even say these same things. But they are not the cause.

You say let bygones be bygones. Why isn't NATO applying those standards to North Kosovo? Why is the EU keeping Serbia out? Why the attack on Iraq in 2003 using similar methods? Why support for Nationalism in some countries, but not others? Why is the CoE keeping Belarus out? I could go on and on, but until the hypocrisy is defeated, it's pointless asking the Serbs to let bygones be bygones. You want to let bygones be bygones - lead by example. I've yet to see you make a post for the return of North Kosovo to Serbia.

The point of the EU is that its benefits make for a very powerful incentive to adopt a free democratic process and a commitment to settling international issues peacefully. I for one think that the prospect of EU membership has been an important part of the process by which countries like Portugal or Greece got rid of military dictatorships. It's actually been a whole lot more effective than military campaigns inspired by the neocons. But it would not work if you let governments that are not committed to these principles join anyway.

And for the record, if people in North Kosovo want to do their own thing, then that's fine by me, though I do not support the idea of this being a sufficient reason to start killing people again. But my point is that it ought to be irrelevant to you and me and the Serbs in Serbia. And while I'm hardly the best judge of this, I actually think that even for the Serbs in North Kosovo, wanting to be independent may be valid if they just dislike the governance because it's shit (and it's pretty shit as far as I can tell), but not if they want to be independent just because they don't like Albanians and don't like being ruled by a majority Albanian government.

To me, the smartest thing the Serbs in Kosovo can do is to either move to Serbia if they really can't stand the government that much, or else participate in the nationbuilding process together with the Albanians. If they can get the Serbian government on board and get it to drop its claims on Kosovo or do whatever else needed to expedite the whole region joining the Schengen zone, then in a couple of decades tops the borders will cease to be barriers - and I'd suggest that based on the history of other poorer European countries that joined the EU everyone's lives will start to get better. And if Serbs really want to live in Kosovo for whatever reason, they will be able to do so. They just won't be able to point at a map and say "that's ours", which is fine, since we've established how silly that is.

I understand and appreciate that this is not the same thing the Albanians did in the nineties. But what they did was wrong as well - at most one might argue that EU membership was not a realistic prospect then. But as I said, just because someone did something bad once upon a time does not excuse others following from the responsibility to consider their own actions on their merits. Otherwise they'll still be fighting over some backwater (and that's what it would remain) a hundred years from now.

[Yorkopolis]

First of all, I fully support Kosovo,

No opinion.

Abkhazia,

Yes.

South Ossetia,

Yes.

Nagorno-Karabakh,

Yes.

Somaliland,

Yes.

Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic/Western Sahara,

Yes.

and Transnistria. What about you guys?

No. Transnistria should go back to Moldova or Ukraine.

[Shofercia]

While I understand that certain NATO countries that bombed Kosovo want the Serbs to "get over it" and "let bygones be bygones", they should realize that there are two problems with that: first, "getting over it" doesn't help Serbia or Serbs one bit.

It obviously does. The Kosovo issue is the biggest thing standing in the way of joining the EU membership process the way Croatia for example has done.

Spain, Slovakia, Bosnia, Greece, Cyprus, all EU members. Neither recognizes Kosovo. And don't tell me that Russians magically control those governments. Ok, maybe Cyprus

You can go ahead and claim that Spain has the Catalans and Basques, (and the UK has Scotland,) Greeks and Cypriots are Orthodox Christians, (which wouldn't explain why Macedonians and Montenegrins recognized Kosovo,) Bosnia has Sprska, etc. You can make all the excuses you want, but that doesn't change the fact that they're all in the EU, and neither one recognizes Kosovo. And even if Serbia recognizes Kosovo, there's still Russia, which the EU has very little influence over. So saying that it's a criteria is stupid. And even if Russia recognizes Kosovo, (ha, ha, ha,) there's still China, which would love to rub that issue all over the UK's soft power. Russia and China ain't Serbia's bitches. It's time that the EU recognized that basic fact of life. I could also factor in the N-K issue and show how that would be tied to the recognition of Kosovo, irrespective of what Serbia does.

EU: "when Serbia recognizes Kosovo, Russia and China will-"
Russia/China: "ha, ha, ha, ha!"

In February 2008, the Russian Foreign Ministry stated that "Kosovo’s Provisional Institutions of Self-Government declared a unilateral proclamation of independence of the province, thus violating the sovereignty of the Republic of Serbia, the Charter of the United Nations, UNSCR 1244, the principles of the Helsinki Final Act, Kosovo’s Constitutional Framework and the high-level Contact Group accords". It further said that Russia fully supports Serbia's "territorial integrity" and that they expect both the United Nations and NATO will "take immediate action to fulfill their mandates as authorized by the Security Council, including voiding the decisions of Pristina's self-governing institutions and adopting severe administrative measures against them". It also requested that a UN Security Council emergency meeting be held to discuss the issue and that "those who are considering supporting separatism should understand what dangerous consequences their actions threaten to have for world order, international stability and the authority of the UN Security Council's decisions that took decades to build".[3] Russian President Vladimir Putin described the recognition of Kosovo's independence by several major world powers as "a terrible precedent, which will de facto blow apart the whole system of international relations, developed not over decades, but over centuries", and that "they have not thought through the results of what they are doing. At the end of the day it is a two-ended stick and the second end will come back and hit them in the face".[4] During an official state visit to Serbia following the declaration, Russian President-elect Dmitry Medvedev reiterated support for Serbia and its stance on Kosovo.[5]

In March 2008, Russia said that the recent violence in Tibet is linked with the recognition by some states of the independence of Serbia's breakaway province, Kosovo. Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, in an interview with a Russian newspaper, also linked the demands for greater autonomy by ethnic Albanians in Macedonia with the Kosovo issue. Lavrov said, "There are ground[s] to presume that this is not occurring by chance. You can see what is happening in Tibet, how the separatists there are acting. The Albanians in Macedonia are already demanding a level of autonomy that is a clear step toward independence. Furthermore, events in other areas of the world give us grounds to assume that we are only at the beginning of a very precarious process".[6]

On 23 March 2008, Putin ordered urgent humanitarian aid for Kosovo Serb enclaves.[7] The Prime Minister of Kosovo, Hashim Thaçi, opposed this plan, stating that Russia could only send aid if it were agreed and coordinated with Government in Pristina.[8]

On 15 July 2008, President of Russia Dmitry Medvedev stated in a major foreign policy speech "For the EU, Kosovo is almost what Iraq is to the United States... This is the latest example of the undermining of international law".[9]

Germany and Japan were fucked because of a war they started. On the other hand, incidences like Racak provide a questionable NATO report of alleged Serb guilt, whereas the Rape of Nanking and Holocaust are well known and well established war crimes. Second, certain countries in NATO are still doing that, be it Iraq in 2003, or helping the Nationalists out in Ukraine, i.e. the Banderovites. It's very much an ongoing process. On top of everything else, NATO refuses to give back North Kosovo to Serbia, thus making themselves look like enormous hypocrites. All of these things contribute to Nationalism in Serbia.

No, I genuinely don't think nationalism in Serbia would be any different if the Iraq War hadn't happened, or if people unhappy with Yanukovich had just let him continue selling out the place. These are arguments that you can bring up to support your notion of what NATO is and does. Maybe some Serbs would even say these same things. But they are not the cause.

I'm not saying that it's the cause. My point was that the Iraq War heated it up. There were numerous references comparing Saddam to Slobo. Additionally, with NATO sparking Nationalism amongst Ukrainians, but not Serbs, what message does that send to the Serbs, who accuse NATO of sparking Nationalism that led to the Yugoslav Wars?

You say let bygones be bygones. Why isn't NATO applying those standards to North Kosovo? Why is the EU keeping Serbia out? Why the attack on Iraq in 2003 using similar methods? Why support for Nationalism in some countries, but not others? Why is the CoE keeping Belarus out? I could go on and on, but until the hypocrisy is defeated, it's pointless asking the Serbs to let bygones be bygones. You want to let bygones be bygones - lead by example. I've yet to see you make a post for the return of North Kosovo to Serbia.

The point of the EU is that its benefits make for a very powerful incentive to adopt a free democratic process and a commitment to settling international issues peacefully. I for one think that the prospect of EU membership has been an important part of the process by which countries like Portugal or Greece got rid of military dictatorships. It's actually been a whole lot more effective than military campaigns inspired by the neocons. But it would not work if you let governments that are not committed to these principles join anyway.

Are you referring to Sarko's Roma Deportations as the core principles? Or EULEX's incompetence in Kosovo, as a shining beacon? Or the Irish being forced to hold a second vote after the first one was so incentivized, that it failed? How about the continuous intervention in the Congo? Intervention in one of the African Republics, the one France is currently screwing up? Intervention in Libya? And pretty much everything is a lot more effective than military campaigns inspired by Neocons. That's like saying "who's smarter than a first grader?"

And for the record, if people in North Kosovo want to do their own thing, then that's fine by me, though I do not support the idea of this being a sufficient reason to start killing people again. But my point is that it ought to be irrelevant to you and me and the Serbs in Serbia. And while I'm hardly the best judge of this, I actually think that even for the Serbs in North Kosovo, wanting to be independent may be valid if they just dislike the governance because it's shit (and it's pretty shit as far as I can tell), but not if they want to be independent just because they don't like Albanians and don't like being ruled by a majority Albanian government.

They despise the government. They'd rather die than be a part of it: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... rth-kosovo

A clash over a barricade in north Kosovo on Monday left dozens of Nato soldiers and Serb protesters injured. This was the worst incident so far in the crisis that begun last summer, provoked by an ill-conceived and very risky attempt to settle the problem of Kosovo.

In spite of that, Thaci is still instigating violence in the region, where the Serbs simply want to be left alone. Yet NATO persists: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... clash.html

Oliver Ivanovic, Serbia's state secretary for Kosovo, told Tanjug news agency three Kosovo Serbs were hurt when KFOR troops moved in to disperse several hundred people protesting at the barricade's removal. The clash over the Rudare roadblock is the latest in a series in the flashpoint area of northern Kosovo since last year.

"KFOR confirms two wounded soldiers during the removal operation of Rudare roadblock this morning," the Nato-led peacekeeping force in Kosovo, KFOR, said in a statement.

They have their own government. The view Pristina's Government as Genocidal Maniacs. They're not going to give it up without a fight. And unlike the 1990s, they have Russia's and China's backing. EU/NATO can either embarrassingly surrender in North Kosovo, or lose a battle and then embarrassingly surrender in North Kosovo. Those are the choices. There's also a third option, which I'll mention at the end of my post.

To me, the smartest thing the Serbs in Kosovo can do is to either move to Serbia if they really can't stand the government that much, or else participate in the nationbuilding process together with the Albanians. If they can get the Serbian government on board and get it to drop its claims on Kosovo or do whatever else needed to expedite the whole region joining the Schengen zone, then in a couple of decades tops the borders will cease to be barriers - and I'd suggest that based on the history of other poorer European countries that joined the EU everyone's lives will start to get better. And if Serbs really want to live in Kosovo for whatever reason, they will be able to do so. They just won't be able to point at a map and say "that's ours", which is fine, since we've established how silly that is.

They view the government as Genocidal Maniacs, because key members of the current government participated in ethnically cleansing them! That would be much worse than putting the KKK in charge to diffuse tensions within a black & white neighborhood, where whites are horrendously outnumbered. Why should the Serbs in North Kosovo move from a place where their families lived for generations? Because someone drew arbitrary lines on a map? To quote NL: "That's silly!"

Not to mention that the Kosovo Government ain't finished removing "undesirables" yet, but you won't hear much about this, because apparently the free press opted not to talk about it: http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.ph ... v_id=85060

He said that around 900 Gorani children in Kosovo were studying in schools under the curriculum of the Serbian Education Ministry. “The Serbian government supports the residents of Gora by offering them social and health care services, which is motive enough for the Gorani to want to join the association of Serb municipalities once it is formed,” Huseini explained. He thanked Serbian government’s Office for Kosovo Director Aleksandar Vulin for visiting Gora and expressed hope they would soon host another representative of the Serbian government.

Vulin visited Gora on Wednesday and informed the municipal leaders about the progress in the dialogue with Priština and that Belgrade had requested that the Gorani community be part of the community of Serb municipalities in Kosovo. Gora is an area in the southwest of Kosovo, which was home to some 30,000 Gorani prior to the ethnic Albanian rebellion and the NATO aggression against Serbia. Now only around 10,000 remain. The Gorani are mostly Muslim and speak a Torlakian dialect of Serbian. They were a recognized ethnic minority in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia until 1945 when the Communists rose to power. Their minority rights were restored by the state of Serbia in 1991.

However, their Gora municipality was forcibly abolished when the UN interim administration was introduced following the 1999 NATO aggression in Kosovo. It was replaced by a new, expanded Dragaš municipality, which has a majority Albanian population. In 2007 the interim Kosovo institutions opened schools teaching the Bosnian language in Gora but with the provision that the principals had to be Albanian. Many of the Gorani refused to send their children to schools, instead choosing to educate them in accordance with the Serbian state curriculum.

Apparently picking principals based on ethnicity is simply another EU value, amirite? Speaking of EU values in Kosovo: http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles/ ... Kosovo.htm

I am a Rom (more commonly known as �Gypsy�) who was born in Kosovo, Yugoslavia, and lived in Pristina (the capital of the Kosovo region) for 27 years. In the summer of 2000, ten years later, I was only 30 miles away in Macedonia but I could not visit the town where I lived most of my life.� This was more than three years after the �humanitarian bombing� by U.S.-NATO forces and escalation of ethnic conflict began in Kosovo on March 24th, 1999.� But it was still too dangerous for me, as a dark-skinned �Madjupi� (Albanian term connoting �lower than garbage�), to set foot inside of Kosovo...The delegates were housed in the Romani communities, south of Pristina. Each family hosted two or more delegates. The delegates spent time with and got to know people who had been caught in heavy crossfire between Serbs and Albanians, suffered from the heavy bombing by NATO�s U.S.-led forces, and experienced discrimination by K-FOR forces, the U.N. Police, international non-governmental organizations (NGOs), and Western European foreign policies. The delegates were appalled by the stories they heard and shocked at the conditions under which the Kosovo Roma were living.

Since NATO�s �peace-keepers� arrived in Kosovo, more than 300,000 ethnic minorities have been �cleansed� from the region by extremist Albanians. It has been more than a year since the U.N. Interim Administration in Kosovo (UNMIK) or the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) released any statements about human rights abuses of minorities in Kosovo. Surprisingly, such NGOs as Doctors Without Borders (winner of the Nobel Peace Prize), the International Red Cross, Oxfam, and many more have failed the ethnic minorities in Kosovo by not addressing their problems.� Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch are alone in reporting on minority human rights abuses in Kosovo. My question is: If NATO�s so-called humanitarian bombing was to stop �ethnic cleansing,� why are the same Western powers now so unwilling to intervene on behalf of the actual ethnic cleansing of Romani people and other minorities in Kosovo?

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/1999/04/kla-a24.html

The US lost a lot of prestige over Iraq. Kosovo is the EU's Iraq.

I understand and appreciate that this is not the same thing the Albanians did in the nineties. But what they did was wrong as well - at most one might argue that EU membership was not a realistic prospect then. But as I said, just because someone did something bad once upon a time does not excuse others following from the responsibility to consider their own actions on their merits. Otherwise they'll still be fighting over some backwater (and that's what it would remain) a hundred years from now.

The problem isn't what someone did. The problem is what's going on. The only realistic solution I've seen is North Kosovo to Serbia, Special Mandate for Ethnic Enclaves in Kosovo, and UN Administration over the rest of Kosovo. Guess who rejected that solution? The problem is that once those ethnic enclaves in Kosovo are forever gone, what incentive would anyone have towards working for peace that EU needs to hide their embarrassment? China can match any deal that the EU offers to Serbia, and then proceed to use the Kosovo Issue to drive a wedge into the UK's Soft Power, about the only British thing that China is worried about. If that can be used to knock down UK's/EU's soft power a notch or two, China won't care about the amount of money needed to keep Serbia out of the EU. There's a lot more at stake here than just a few ethnic communities, and the EU's failure to realize that could be preyed upon. Anyways, here's the solution: http://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication ... for-kosovo

Partition of Kosovo by the river Ibar with Northern part belonging to Serbia and Southern majority area to the newly independent Kosovo seems to be the best possible compromise to the Kosovo problem. The area will be divided roughly proportionally to the number of Serb and Albanian inhabitants in Kosovo, particularly if the return of over 200.000 Serb refugees from Kosovo living in Serbia proper is taken in account. The remaining Serb enclaves with monasteries (similarly to Vatican in Italy) in the Southern part of Kosovo should remain under international jurisdiction, protected by the international forces, which should control also the demarcation line between the North and South. Such solution includes migration of population, Serbs to the North, Albanians to the South, but only if they want to resettle. No doubt, enormous efforts are requested from ordinary people in practical execution of migration, but this is not for the first time in the area.

Thank you Aeken for calling me out on the Bosnia thingy.

[Aeken]

Shof, Bosnia isn't an EU member.

[Shofercia]

Shof, Bosnia isn't an EU member.

Ohh, whoopsie

[Wytenigistan]

Kosovo is Kosovar. The northern bit can go back to Serbia.

That will make the country even worst economically if they give up that piece of land

Well you can blame your shitty politicians for that.

Also enough of these threads, there is always one of them about, and all we do is spin our wheels, no one will ever change their minds, no one actually cares (unless they have a personal stake in it), and for the people that do care it is extremely frustrating to deal with tons of stubborn teenagers who think they are right when they don't really know anything about the situation and make worthless posts. like. this:

Kosovo can be whatever it wants to be.

Kosovo is... Well... Kosovo.

Kosovo belongs to no one but the inhabitants

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

[Risottia]

That's because you suppose that the mafia won't fund it anymore.

Who'll fund the Kosovo Mafia?

The Italian mafias for one. I wouldn't discount the Russian mafias either. The Albanian mafias also. And of course the South American narcos.

[Wytenigistan]

Shof, Bosnia isn't an EU member.

Ohh, whoopsie

Please put your flag back to Russia I can't even recognize you anymore.

[Aeken]

Shof, Bosnia isn't an EU member.

Ohh, whoopsie

You're welcome.

[Great Kleomentia]

Ohh, whoopsie

Please put your flag back to Russia I can't even recognize you anymore.

I agree with this. The new flag sucks more balls then a corner gall.

[Greater Kuroko]

I View it as a country, so no.

[Great Kleomentia]

I View it as a country, so no.

Well this guy certainly made his point.

[Alcase]

No.

[Shofercia]

Who'll fund the Kosovo Mafia?

The Italian mafias for one. I wouldn't discount the Russian mafias either. The Albanian mafias also. And of course the South American narcos.

Don't those institutions require a basic degree of competence? I'm not a fan of the Russian Mafia, but they don't beg for Peacekeeper help once the first bullet flies.

Ohh, whoopsie

You're welcome.

Erm, thank you

Please put your flag back to Russia I can't even recognize you anymore.

I agree with this. The new flag sucks more balls then a corner gall.

It's ok, I don't recognize you guys either

[EUstan]

Kosovo's worse problem is that it has a destructive factor within its borders. Repeating the Storm should be done so that the Kosovo government get its integrity on the whole territory.

[Shofercia]

Kosovo's worse problem is that it has a destructive factor within its borders. Repeating the Storm should be done so that the Kosovo government get its integrity on the whole territory.

This is wrong on so many levels... I don't even know where to begin. Operation Storm: Get Your Integrity On just sounds... bizarre.

[Great Kleomentia]

Kosovo's worse problem is that it has a destructive factor within its borders. Repeating the Storm should be done so that the Kosovo government get its integrity on the whole territory.

How about no?

[EUstan]

Kosovo's worse problem is that it has a destructive factor within its borders. Repeating the Storm should be done so that the Kosovo government get its integrity on the whole territory.

This is wrong on so many levels... I don't even know where to begin. Operation Storm: Get Your Integrity On just sounds... bizarre.

Op. Storm was a legal action approved by the international community to liberate occupied territories, the same actions as D day or invasion of Italy in WW2. You should get straight about facts instead of using Serbian sources. There is nothing bizzare on it.

[Great Kleomentia]

This is wrong on so many levels... I don't even know where to begin. Operation Storm: Get Your Integrity On just sounds... bizarre.

Op. Storm was a legal action approved by the international community to liberate occupied territories, the same actions as D day or invasion of Italy in WW2. You should get straight about facts instead of using Serbian sources. There is nothing bizzare on it.

Your post gave me cancer. And actually made me almost shead a tear. Its so hard to not bang my head against the wall at your ignorance.

[Risottia]

The Italian mafias for one. I wouldn't discount the Russian mafias either. The Albanian mafias also. And of course the South American narcos.

Don't those institutions require a basic degree of competence?

No. They just require lack of scruples and being willing to intimidate defenseless people. They'll take care of the bribing-the-officers part.

[EUstan]

Op. Storm was a legal action approved by the international community to liberate occupied territories, the same actions as D day or invasion of Italy in WW2. You should get straight about facts instead of using Serbian sources. There is nothing bizzare on it.

Your post gave me cancer. And actually made me almost shead a tear. Its so hard to not bang my head against the wall at your ignorance.

Your president is saying that Vukovar is a serbian city, after all the shits that the Serbian army carried oit there. Why dont you feel the same? Is it double standards?

Thinl how the Vukovarians feel.