Is Kosovo part of Serbia?

[The Carlisle]

No. Serbia lost all rights to it's territory after WWI and the genocides it carried out during the Yugoslav wars.

It doesn't work like that...

Serbia has a historical and inseverable linkage to the land of Kosovo... it's not something so easily severable.

And that link was severed when the people living there decided that they didn't want to be part of Serbia anymore.

[Aeken]

No. Serbia lost all rights to it's territory after WWI and the genocides it carried out during the Yugoslav wars.

It doesn't work like that...

Serbia has a historical and inseverable linkage to the land of Kosovo... it's not something so easily severable.

You do know Kosovo has been majority Albanian for centuries. The Ottomans controlled Kosovo much longer. It's not inseverable.

[God Kefka]

It doesn't work like that...

Serbia has a historical and inseverable linkage to the land of Kosovo... it's not something so easily severable.

And that link was severed when the people living there decided that they didn't want to be part of Serbia anymore.

but isn't that treason?

[The Carlisle]

And that link was severed when the people living there decided that they didn't want to be part of Serbia anymore.

but isn't that treason?

Who cares?

[God Kefka]

but isn't that treason?

Who cares?

Well you're born Serbian but you choose to do something against your motherland... something that makes Serbia smaller, poorer, in command of less resources, people and hurts its legitimacy and survival. That kind of betrayal is just wrong...

[Meowfoundland]

Who cares?

Well you're born Serbian but you choose to do something against your motherland... something that makes Serbia smaller, poorer, in command of less resources, people and hurts its legitimacy and survival. That kind of betrayal is just wrong...

Then isn't any secession treason?

[The Carlisle]

Who cares?

Well you're born Serbian but you choose to do something against your motherland... something that makes Serbia smaller, poorer, in command of less resources, people and hurts its legitimacy and survival. That kind of betrayal is just wrong...

Why should they care about the country they no longer want to be apart of?

[God Kefka]

Well you're born Serbian but you choose to do something against your motherland... something that makes Serbia smaller, poorer, in command of less resources, people and hurts its legitimacy and survival. That kind of betrayal is just wrong...

Then isn't any secession treason?

yeah more or less...

[Meowfoundland]

Then isn't any secession treason?

yeah more or less...

Why is this one different to, say, the United States seeking independence?

[God Kefka]

yeah more or less...

Why is this one different to, say, the United States seeking independence?

that shall always be a stain on the American history...

Without betrayal and insurrection the country would never have existed... the birth of a fractured and traumatized national consciousness no doubt...

[Parhe]

Who cares?

Well you're born Serbian but you choose to do something against your motherland... something that makes Serbia smaller, poorer, in command of less resources, people and hurts its legitimacy and survival. That kind of betrayal is just wrong...

Why would they care how Serbia ends up in the end? The people didn't like how they were treated with Serbia and wants to form their own country. They did not choose to be born in Kosovo or Serbia.

As for poorer, well, yes. A a whole Serbia will be poorer but the rest of Serbia has a GDP per capita nearly twice that of Kosovo. In other words, Serbia is wealthier without Serbia. Of course that is part of the reason Kosovo's population largely does not want to remain a part of Serbia, seeing it as being left under developed. On top of that why would Serbia care about having more land area? Particularly one where people obviously does not want to remain as part of the nation. Without Kosovo Serbia is about the size of Panama, Ireland, or Austria, and not much smaller than South Korea, all of which, because of their similar size, has about access to the same amount of resources. Despite their small size they seem to be doing pretty well for themselves. As for population, it is about the same as Hong Kong and larger than Singapore, Finland, Norway, and New Zealand. Perhaps if Serbia was so worried about "legitimacy" the government should have done better the past six or seven centuries developing Kosovo, which might have yielded more positive feelings towards the central government.

I am just saying, without Kosovo Serbia could do well in the world as there are many nations already with less than Serbia that are doing better. In fact, not having to carry a rebellious region might be better for the nation.

[Prevnina]

Yes, 'nuff said.

[Parhe]

Why is this one different to, say, the United States seeking independence?

that shall always be a stain on the American history...

Without betrayal and insurrection the country would never have existed... the birth of a fractured and traumatized national consciousness no doubt...

But Serbia itself rebelled against the Ottomans and Habsburgs. I am not so quick to believe that treason is a bad thing.

[Milloan]

No, Kosovo is independent.

They should make another Yugoslavia.

Do you have any idea what an utterly terrible idea that is?

Only a Slav would understand the need for the South Slavs to unite.

[Shofercia]

NATO/EU: "Kosovo is Sui Generis!"
North Kosovo Serbs: "Does that include all of Kosovo?"
NATO/EU: "Yes!"
North Kosovo Serbs: "So we all can decide on self-determination?"
NATO/EU: "Sure!"
North Kosovo Serbs: "Ok, we secede from Pristina"
NATO/EU: "You cannot do that!"

For every single argument that works for Kosovo's independence, there is an even strong argument for North Kosovo's ability to stay with Serbia. The hypocrisy of denying to the Serbs that, which is granted to Albanians is appalling. Do the Albanians have a special kind of "cutie cooties" that Serbs lack? The willingness of other Slavic Governments to tag along is even more appalling. The reason that Russians represent over 40 percent of all Slavs, is because we're united. We might be divided on Capitalism v Communism and everything in between, but on the core issues, we're united. As for the rest of you, it's your call. You can stand united, or act like hypocrites.

As for NATO/EU, others are watching these double standards. On display. ASEAN is watching. BRIC is watching. SCO is watching. If you keep this up, don't be shocked when you're greeted with wary eyes in other countries.

Seriously guys, what's the difference between Kosovo's secession from Serbia, and North Kosovo's secession from Kosovo? Name one actual difference. Just one. I'll wait.

[Parhe]

NATO/EU: "Kosovo is Sui Generis!"
North Kosovo Serbs: "Does that include all of Kosovo?"
NATO/EU: "Yes!"
North Kosovo Serbs: "So we all can decide on self-determination?"
NATO/EU: "Sure!"
North Kosovo Serbs: "Ok, we secede from Pristina"
NATO/EU: "You cannot do that!"

For every single argument that works for Kosovo's independence, there is an even strong argument for North Kosovo's ability to stay with Serbia. The hypocrisy of denying to the Serbs that, which is granted to Albanians is appalling. Do the Albanians have a special kind of "cutie cooties" that Serbs lack? The willingness of other Slavic Governments to tag along is even more appalling. The reason that Russians represent over 40 percent of all Slavs, is because we're united. We might be divided on Capitalism v Communism and everything in between, but on the core issues, we're united. As for the rest of you, it's your call. You can stand united, or act like hypocrites.

As for NATO/EU, others are watching these double standards. On display. ASEAN is watching. BRIC is watching. SCO is watching. If you keep this up, don't be shocked when you're greeted with wary eyes in other countries.

Seriously guys, what's the difference between Kosovo's secession from Serbia, and North Kosovo's secession from Kosovo? Name one actual difference. Just one. I'll wait.

That is because everyone no group officially wants to divide Kosovo, even though some individuals from Serbia, the UK, and the US believe partitioning is the only option.

Organizations on both sides of the conflict, Serbia, Kosovo, Albania, Montenegro, Macedonia, and the European Union, don't want the partition for whatever reason. I personally believe that if they want and are willing to, Northern Serbia should be allowed to become independent and, if Serbia is okay with the partition, become a part of Serbia, assuming it wants to be.

[Luziyca]

No, it is independent. Likewise, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Somaliland, Taiwan, Transnistria and the Western Sahara are sovereign.

Note that I do not represent any opinions of those countries, and that my opinion should not be taken as a representation of the opinions of the people living there.

For every single argument that works for Kosovo's independence, there is an even strong argument for North Kosovo's ability to stay with Serbia. The hypocrisy of denying to the Serbs that, which is granted to Albanians is appalling. Do the Albanians have a special kind of "cutie cooties" that Serbs lack? The willingness of other Slavic Governments to tag along is even more appalling. The reason that Russians represent over 40 percent of all Slavs, is because we're united. We might be divided on Capitalism v Communism and everything in between, but on the core issues, we're united. As for the rest of you, it's your call. You can stand united, or act like hypocrites.

As for NATO/EU, others are watching these double standards. On display. ASEAN is watching. BRIC is watching. SCO is watching. If you keep this up, don't be shocked when you're greeted with wary eyes in other countries.

Seriously guys, what's the difference between Kosovo's secession from Serbia, and North Kosovo's secession from Kosovo? Name one actual difference. Just one. I'll wait.

I got a solution. Why not we give North Kosovo to Serbia? Or just settle the issue by reunifying all the ex-Yugoslav countries into Yugoslavia and make it an EU member?

[Parhe]

No, it is independent. Likewise, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Somaliland, Taiwan, Transnistria and the Western Sahara are sovereign.

Note that I do not represent any opinions of those countries, and that my opinion should not be taken as a representation of the opinions of the people living there.

For every single argument that works for Kosovo's independence, there is an even strong argument for North Kosovo's ability to stay with Serbia. The hypocrisy of denying to the Serbs that, which is granted to Albanians is appalling. Do the Albanians have a special kind of "cutie cooties" that Serbs lack? The willingness of other Slavic Governments to tag along is even more appalling. The reason that Russians represent over 40 percent of all Slavs, is because we're united. We might be divided on Capitalism v Communism and everything in between, but on the core issues, we're united. As for the rest of you, it's your call. You can stand united, or act like hypocrites.

As for NATO/EU, others are watching these double standards. On display. ASEAN is watching. BRIC is watching. SCO is watching. If you keep this up, don't be shocked when you're greeted with wary eyes in other countries.

Seriously guys, what's the difference between Kosovo's secession from Serbia, and North Kosovo's secession from Kosovo? Name one actual difference. Just one. I'll wait.

I got a solution. Why not we give North Kosovo to Serbia? Or just settle the issue by reunifying all the ex-Yugoslav countries into Yugoslavia and make it an EU member?

Just a nit pick Celery. I think you meant the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic, which claims all of Western Sahara but only controls about a fourth to a fifth of it.

As for the last question it is because many parties, including Kosovo and Serbia themselves, are against partitioning the region.

[Shofercia]

No, it is independent. Likewise, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Somaliland, Taiwan, Transnistria and the Western Sahara are sovereign.

Note that I do not represent any opinions of those countries, and that my opinion should not be taken as a representation of the opinions of the people living there.

For every single argument that works for Kosovo's independence, there is an even strong argument for North Kosovo's ability to stay with Serbia. The hypocrisy of denying to the Serbs that, which is granted to Albanians is appalling. Do the Albanians have a special kind of "cutie cooties" that Serbs lack? The willingness of other Slavic Governments to tag along is even more appalling. The reason that Russians represent over 40 percent of all Slavs, is because we're united. We might be divided on Capitalism v Communism and everything in between, but on the core issues, we're united. As for the rest of you, it's your call. You can stand united, or act like hypocrites.

As for NATO/EU, others are watching these double standards. On display. ASEAN is watching. BRIC is watching. SCO is watching. If you keep this up, don't be shocked when you're greeted with wary eyes in other countries.

Seriously guys, what's the difference between Kosovo's secession from Serbia, and North Kosovo's secession from Kosovo? Name one actual difference. Just one. I'll wait.

I got a solution. Why not we give North Kosovo to Serbia?

Good question! I have no idea. Ask NATO/EU.

[Parhe]

No, it is independent. Likewise, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Somaliland, Taiwan, Transnistria and the Western Sahara are sovereign.

Note that I do not represent any opinions of those countries, and that my opinion should not be taken as a representation of the opinions of the people living there.


I got a solution. Why not we give North Kosovo to Serbia?

Good question! I have no idea. Ask NATO/EU.

Or Serbia.

[Shofercia]

Good question! I have no idea. Ask NATO/EU.

Or Serbia.

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/1 ... _partition

With the exception of Cedomir Jovanovic’s Liberal Democratic Party, each of the main political parties in Serbia are committed to regaining control of what they refer to as the ‘Autonomous Province of Kosovo and Metohija’. President Nikolic, like his predecessor Boris Tadic, is publicly steadfast on the issue. But, in many ways, their public position is a politically expedient one designed to appeal to the well of nationalist feeling that still exists in Serbia today.

On the ground, there is a growing sense of acceptance amongst Serbs in both Kosovo and Serbia itself, that Kosovo’s declaration of independence is permanent and irreversible – with the exception of the majority Serb areas of Northern Kosovo...The latest intervention of NATO soldiers in Zvecan was part of a broader attempt by the organisation to bring areas of North Kosovo under the control of the Kosovo government in Pristina. It follows a disastrous operation in July last year in which the Kosovo Police sought to forcibly gain control of check-points along the administrative border between Serbia and North Kosovo. In the violent clashes that followed, 1 Albanian and 3 Serbs lost their lives, with 162 Serb and 63 NATO officers suffering injuries.

[Srboslavija]

No. I support Kosovo's independence.

Also, it's not like Kosovo is just going to return to Serbia. They're going to stay independent whether you like it or not.

Cool opinion bro.

Likewise, I support the full sovereignty and independence of the Republic of New Afrika, and am hopeful of it attaining statehood within my lifetime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_New_Afrika

Let freedom and justice ring !

[Srboslavija]

No, it is independent. Likewise, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Somaliland, Taiwan, Transnistria and the Western Sahara are sovereign.

Note that I do not represent any opinions of those countries, and that my opinion should not be taken as a representation of the opinions of the people living there.


I got a solution. Why not we give North Kosovo to Serbia?

Good question! I have no idea. Ask NATO/EU.

Currently the northern parts of Kosovo, where most of the remaining Serbs have come together, has the bare minimum in regards to all the cultural and heritage sites. The ones which have still not been destroyed, and the smaller enclaves of Serbs, are more towards the south (ie Prizren) and are under constant EULEX protection. To officially abandon these areas would be akin to national treason.

Unfortunately, the current situation is set up in a way that future conflict is simply unavoidable.

The Ottomans occupied, raped and pillaged, Kosovo [Serbia] for nearly 500 years. I give the Albanians another 20 max before some form of global upheaval provides the distraction needed for the re-conquest to begin. The "Kosovo curse", dated from the 1300s, as inscribed in the Gazimestan memorial, makes certain of this.

"Whoever is a Serb and of Serb birth
And of Serb blood and heritage
And comes not to the Battle of Kosovo,
May he never have the progeny his heart desires!
Neither son nor daughter
May nothing grow that his hand sows!
Neither dark wine nor white wheat
And let him be cursed from all ages to all ages!"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gazimestan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_curse

[Wolfmanne]

Yes, Kosovo is a part of Serbia. Sadly, over the last century, Albanians have populated the region and to get rid of them would be akin to genocide or would require a mass-expulsion which would be shocking to the international community. Sadly, however historically relevant is may be to the Serbs, Kosovo, in this day and age, barring North Kosovo, is not a part of Serbia. The ideal solution is one multicultural state, similar to Bosnia, but I think that partitioning Kosovo may be the only solution right now. Let's just hope it doesn't turn into another Indian Partition.

It disgusts me that Albanians have freeloaded on what is rightfully Serbian territory, but what can we expect? The Ottomans did the same to Bosnia by Islamifying a Croatian/Serbian population. Now the Albanians have taken Kosovo. The Serbs may have done some terrible things recently, but for the last few centuries, others have done terrible things to the Serbs.

[Risottia]

It doesn't work like that...

Serbia has a historical and inseverable linkage to the land of Kosovo... it's not something so easily severable.

And that link was severed when the people living there decided that they didn't want to be part of Serbia anymore.

Not everyone decided so.
I gather you support North Kosovo seceding from Kosovo and joining Serbia, right?