Is Kosovo part of Serbia?

[Conscentia]

Don't make it sound like Serbia's innocent while Kosovo is the bad guy.

Where did I say that Serbia was innocent?

You implied it by listing the misdeeds of Kosovo while omitting the misdeeds of Serbia.

I simply stated facts from my perspective. You're welcome to state facts from yours. Then we can compare. It's how a debate works.

Facts aren't influenced by perspective - only the presentation & perception of facts is subject to perspective.

[Shofercia]

Where did I say that Serbia was innocent?

You implied it by listing the misdeeds of Kosovo while omitting the misdeeds of Serbia.

Because I thought that in relation to Kosovo, the misdeeds of Serbia pale in comparison, and because others have stated the misdeeds of Serbia, and I didn't feel the need to repeat them.

[Shofercia]

Guys, guys, I know how to fix the Balkans!

We have a LIVE! group dance competition between three teams: Team Byzantine, Team Ottoman, and Team Yugoslav. Whoever wins gets the Balkans. We can call it "Dancing With the Kosovars".

You heard it here first on NS, folks. See ya'll in Stockholm when I accept my Nobel Prize.

I'm on board as long as it's ballet

[Parhe]

Serbia can accept it or continue claiming land it does not control which won't do anything but make Serbia look like a whinny child nation and reinforce already highly negative perceptions of Serbia in the world.

Once again, we have the typical westerner who takes advantage of Serbia's misfortune and crappy position in this affair due to the demographic apocalypse sponsored in part by his very nation, whatever it may be. It's not our fault we don't control it. If it were left to us, and the bloody American hands and silent yet all-mighty media misleading tendencies stayed out of our affairs, one could walk into any major town in Kosovo and seldom acquaint himself with the opportunity to find an Albanian. Now, what we see is an inversion of this, as the reality is the very opposite.

Typical western with strong emotions against America and Europe- though none directed to the people. But moving on we should see. What exactly do you mean an invasion of? An invasion of Albanians as in that is somehow a negative thing? There is nothing bad about finding an Albanian, or anyone of any ethnicity, in a city. As if the Albanians were not there to begin with? Albanians made up the great majority of Kosovo since even before Yugoslavia fell apart, as others have demonstrated on this thread. If you have any proof to the opposite then please share the proof.

It does not matter why Serbia does not control Kosovo. In fact Kosovo declared independence on its own during the disintegration of Yugoslavia; as hard pressed as it might be for you to understand there were no western undercover all knowing agents rallying the people and using magical tunnels to import millions of Albanians in a deep plot to overthrow Serbia. If talking about history, well, Serbia did many times get involved in the histories of its neighbors, such as just about every other Slavic group and nation it borders.

Our claims to Kosovo don't make us whiny, and people who do consider us as such for the said reason merely make us sit back and like the rest of the world, become inheretly dissatisfied with the stark level of incompetence and dullness showcased in the views towards Serbia held by people just like you. Don't even get me started on the "child" remark either. If you want to speak of ages, the entity of Serbia is 1246 years old (and the Serbian tribe which dates back nearly 2 millenia).

No idea why age is such an obsession for you but fine, we should play that game. Entity of Serbia is 1246 years old? Well, the entity of Korea is over three thousand years old, more to some nationalist, and the "Korean tribe" dates back to over four thousand years. Yeah, your remark about your nation's "entity" age doesn't really impact anything. It is funny how you complain about other people being incompetence about Serbia as a nation while you yourself make false assumptions of me as a person- one you have never met. And what do you mean "like the rest of the world?" I don't mean to brag by this but I have rarely met a person off the internet that knows more about Balkan history than I do, whether they be from Eastern Asia, North America, or Western Europe. Serbia isn't some a wildly important country in the world that everyone knows the history of Serbia.

As for the "highly negative perceptions of Serbia in the world", that phrase itself is broken. The world doesn't hate Serbia. It's people like you that hate Serbia and discriminate against it in innumerable aspects, and in all honesty, I know that if you could make it so, the entire world would hate Serbia.

I never said I hate Serbia. You again am making wild assumptions about people. I dislike the Serbian government, same as I hate the American government, but I have nothing against the people or its culture. Maybe it is just the places I listed about, but the regions of the world I have been or met numerous people from either know very little to nothing about Serbia or hold at least some of it in a negative view. In fact the most negative views of Serbia I have heard were from people that are from the Balkans, specifically Bosnians, though also a handful of Albanians among other individuals.

So go on, argue with my response, and state some more anti-Serb cliches. No one's stopping you. And before drop the Albanian bomb, know that I have nothing against the Albanians. Their culture and traditions were beautiful, and inspired us and their neighbouring nations.

And you should know I have nothing against Serbs, their culture, or traditions. I just have a strong dislike of the government.

So go on, continue making false assumptions about me because I think people should be allowed to decide on which government they should live under. I may add that is in part the reason why I do have a dislike for the American government and Serbian government.

[The Democratic States of Khazakia]

Once again, we have the typical westerner who takes advantage of Serbia's misfortune and crappy position in this affair due to the demographic apocalypse sponsored in part by his very nation, whatever it may be. It's not our fault we don't control it. If it were left to us, and the bloody American hands and silent yet all-mighty media misleading tendencies stayed out of our affairs, one could walk into any major town in Kosovo and seldom acquaint himself with the opportunity to find an Albanian. Now, what we see is an inversion of this, as the reality is the very opposite.

Typical western with strong emotions against America and Europe- though none directed to the people. But moving on we should see. What exactly do you mean an invasion of? An invasion of Albanians as in that is somehow a negative thing? There is nothing bad about finding an Albanian, or anyone of any ethnicity, in a city. As if the Albanians were not there to begin with? Albanians made up the great majority of Kosovo since even before Yugoslavia fell apart, as others have demonstrated on this thread. If you have any proof to the opposite then please share the proof.

It does not matter why Serbia does not control Kosovo. In fact Kosovo declared independence on its own during the disintegration of Yugoslavia; as hard pressed as it might be for you to understand there were no western undercover all knowing agents rallying the people and using magical tunnels to import millions of Albanians in a deep plot to overthrow Serbia. If talking about history, well, Serbia did many times get involved in the histories of its neighbors, such as just about every other Slavic group and nation it borders.

Our claims to Kosovo don't make us whiny, and people who do consider us as such for the said reason merely make us sit back and like the rest of the world, become inheretly dissatisfied with the stark level of incompetence and dullness showcased in the views towards Serbia held by people just like you. Don't even get me started on the "child" remark either. If you want to speak of ages, the entity of Serbia is 1246 years old (and the Serbian tribe which dates back nearly 2 millenia).

No idea why age is such an obsession for you but fine, we should play that game. Entity of Serbia is 1246 years old? Well, the entity of Korea is over three thousand years old, more to some nationalist, and the "Korean tribe" dates back to over four thousand years. Yeah, your remark about your nation's "entity" age doesn't really impact anything. It is funny how you complain about other people being incompetence about Serbia as a nation while you yourself make false assumptions of me as a person- one you have never met. And what do you mean "like the rest of the world?" I don't mean to brag by this but I have rarely met a person off the internet that knows more about Balkan history than I do, whether they be from Eastern Asia, North America, or Western Europe. Serbia isn't some a wildly important country in the world that everyone knows the history of Serbia.

As for the "highly negative perceptions of Serbia in the world", that phrase itself is broken. The world doesn't hate Serbia. It's people like you that hate Serbia and discriminate against it in innumerable aspects, and in all honesty, I know that if you could make it so, the entire world would hate Serbia.

I never said I hate Serbia. You again am making wild assumptions about people. I dislike the Serbian government, same as I hate the American government, but I have nothing against the people or its culture. Maybe it is just the places I listed about, but the regions of the world I have been or met numerous people from either know very little to nothing about Serbia or hold at least some of it in a negative view. In fact the most negative views of Serbia I have heard were from people that are from the Balkans, specifically Bosnians, though also a handful of Albanians among other individuals.

So go on, argue with my response, and state some more anti-Serb cliches. No one's stopping you. And before drop the Albanian bomb, know that I have nothing against the Albanians. Their culture and traditions were beautiful, and inspired us and their neighbouring nations.

And you should know I have nothing against Serbs, their culture, or traditions. I just have a strong dislike of the government.

So go on, continue making false assumptions about me because I think people should be allowed to decide on which government they should live under. I may add that is in part the reason why I do have a dislike for the American government and Serbian government.

Anyway...I know what country Britain's gonna raid again.

[Dyakovo]

I don't know if there's already a thread for this, or if it was locked by a mod. If so, .
I just want to hear everyone's opinion on this, and/or the other un-internationally recognized nations. It's not my intention to start some cyber-war or anything.
First of all, I fully support Kosovo, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Somaliland, Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic/Western Sahara, and Transnistria. What about you guys?

Kosovo is part of Russia.
*nods*

[The Liberated Territories]

When the Tongan's recognize Minerva, than maybe I'll recognize Kosovo!

[Pope Joan]

The powers that be, including Croatia and their old chums in Germany, can pull their military political ploys all they want, but they can never change the the deeply revered place Kosovo will always hold in the hearts and minds of Serbs everywhere.

[Jukraina]

Kosovo is not part of Serbia
Kosovo is part of Europe

[Faith Hope Charity]

Kosovo is populated by ethnic Albanians, it should either be an independent state, or part of Albania.

[Bulgar Rouge]

I don't care, to be honest. But for one I am deeply convinced it should not exist at all. It's a safe haven for the Albanian mafia and all kinds of filth, and there are no prospects of it changing in the next 50 years. Disband it, depopulate it and move the population to whatever country supports its independence. Turn the territory into a biosphere reserve.

[Port-du-sud]

The Kosovo is a part of Serbia according to international law. Resolution 1244

http://www.securitycouncilreport.org/at ... 201244.pdf

"Reaffirming the commitment of all Member States to the sovereignty and
territorial integrity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other States
of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act and annex 2,"

8. A political process towards the establishment of an interim political
framework agreement providing for substantial self-government for Kosovo, taking
full account of the Rambouillet accords and the principles of sovereignty and
territorial integrity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other
/...S/RES/1244 (1999)
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countries of the region

[Arglorand]

Kosovo is independent now whether one wants it or not. This be a fact. People should just get used to it.

Aye.

[Parhe]

Kosovo is populated by ethnic Albanians, it should either be an independent state, or part of Albania.

While I agree that Kosovo should be independent, I think you might be stressing the wrong reasons(not trying to say my ideas are better than yours). Instead of stressing ethnicity it'd make more sense to stress the right of people to govern themselves.

[Arglorand]

The Kosovo is a part of Serbia according to international law. Resolution 1244

http://www.securitycouncilreport.org/at ... 201244.pdf

"Reaffirming the commitment of all Member States to the sovereignty and
territorial integrity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other States
of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act and annex 2,"

8. A political process towards the establishment of an interim political
framework agreement providing for substantial self-government for Kosovo, taking
full account of the Rambouillet accords and the principles of sovereignty and
territorial integrity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other
/...S/RES/1244 (1999)
Page 7
countries of the region

There is no such thing anymore as the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia.

[Ereria]

Remove serbs





*Removes a tear from eye* My glorious nation will take back balkans

[Napkiraly]

Remove serbs

(Image)

(Image)

*Removes a tear from eye* My glorious nation will take back balkans

A) Irrelevant to the topic at hand.
B) Good luck with that. I'm sure the rest of the world wouldn't do a damn thing.

Now as to the topic at hand, no it isn't de facto. De jure it ought not to as well.

[Bulgar Rouge]

Remove serbs

(Image)

(Image)

*Removes a tear from eye* My glorious nation will take back balkans

Hm. We really shouldn't have given up our nukes.

[Korencia]

Kosovo is Serbia, because if we start giving Albanians their claims they might attempt something stupid here in the South

[Greater Beggnig]

No, Kosovo is independent.

They should make another Yugoslavia.

Do you have any idea what an utterly terrible idea that is?

If you want to know, talk to an Albanian.

[Korencia]

Do you have any idea what an utterly terrible idea that is?

If you want to know, talk to an Albanian.

Nobody understands the goatmens language

[Alexzanabbgggggg]

Kosovo is indipedant it has it own government and military

[Ereria]

Remove serbs

(Image)

(Image)

*Removes a tear from eye* My glorious nation will take back balkans

A) Irrelevant to the topic at hand.
B) Good luck with that. I'm sure the rest of the world wouldn't do a damn thing.

Now as to the topic at hand, no it isn't de facto. De jure it ought not to as well.

Of course the rest of the world wouldn't do anything, who cares about Serbs

[Risottia]

De jure, yes
De facto, no

This.
Both UN resolution 1244 and the situation on the land are quite clear.

One doesn't understand, though, how can the Albanian-speaking Kosovars claim they have a right to independence while Serbian-speaking Kosovars don't. Bit racist, isn't it?

[Napkiraly]

A) Irrelevant to the topic at hand.
B) Good luck with that. I'm sure the rest of the world wouldn't do a damn thing.

Now as to the topic at hand, no it isn't de facto. De jure it ought not to as well.

Of course the rest of the world wouldn't do anything, who cares about Serbs

People who don't like ethnic cleansing. Also you talked about taking over the Balkans itself. More than just Serbs live in the Balkans and Turkey has zero valid reasons to occupy the region.