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Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:29 pm**

The Carlisle wrote:
Kadolha wrote:We will never say that Kosovo is independent. KOSOVO IS SERBIA FOREVER! And I don't care if there are more Albanians, cause KOSOVO WILL BE SERBIA FOR ALL TIME!

No. The Kosovars don't want to be part of Serbia anymore. So Kosobo is no longer part of Serbia.

So, whenever a majority of people in a subnational region don't want to be part of a state anymore, they just don't have to be? That's absurd, frankly.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:30 pm**

Kadolha wrote:
Petrovia- wrote:Until the Government of Serbia recognizes Kosovo's independence, which it has no legitimate basis for except ethnic nationalism, then it will always be a part of Serbia.

We will never say that Kosovo is independent. KOSOVO IS SERBIA FOREVER! And I don't care if there are more Albanians, cause KOSOVO WILL BE SERBIA FOR ALL TIME!

Come on, enough of the "Kosovo je Srbija" lines. At least push in a "Remove all signs of Kebab" somewhere there?

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:30 pm**

Kosovo is independent

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:30 pm**

The Democratic States of Khazakia wrote:I don't know if there's already a thread for this, or if it was locked by a mod. If so, .
I just want to hear everyone's opinion on this, and/or the other un-internationally recognized nations. It's not my intention to start some cyber-war or anything.
First of all, I fully support Kosovo, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Somaliland, Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic/Western Sahara, and Transnistria. What about you guys?

None of these countries should be allowed to commit treason against their respective governments by declaring independence...

Kosovo has always been an important Serbian city.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:31 pm**

Neoconstantius wrote:This thread is just so ridiculous...

If you can count on anything, it's that Balkan political discussions will inevitably devolve into squabbles about 15th century warlords and the undying rights of one nationality or another to countries or territories the size of postage stamps.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:32 pm**

God Kefka wrote:
The Democratic States of Khazakia wrote:I don't know if there's already a thread for this, or if it was locked by a mod. If so, .
I just want to hear everyone's opinion on this, and/or the other un-internationally recognized nations. It's not my intention to start some cyber-war or anything.
First of all, I fully support Kosovo, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Somaliland, Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic/Western Sahara, and Transnistria. What about you guys?

None of these countries should be allowed to commit treason against their respective governments by declaring independence...

Kosovo has always been an important Serbian city.

Kosovo is not a city.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:33 pm**

Avenio wrote:
Neoconstantius wrote:This thread is just so ridiculous...

If you can count on anything, it's that Balkan political discussions will inevitably devolve into squabbles about 15th century warlords and the undying rights of one nationality or another to countries or territories the size of postage stamps.

Lol. Balkans. The size of a tin can, but with more ethnicities than anywhere else on the continent. We would kill half the population fighting for scraps, and we're all to blind and arrogant to work together and focus on the bigger targets.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:34 pm**

The North Polish Union wrote:
God Kefka wrote:
None of these countries should be allowed to commit treason against their respective governments by declaring independence...

Kosovo has always been an important Serbian city.

Kosovo is not a city.

Hmmm... I guess not...

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:34 pm**

The North Polish Union wrote:
God Kefka wrote:
None of these countries should be allowed to commit treason against their respective governments by declaring independence...

Kosovo has always been an important Serbian city.

Kosovo is not a city.

Unless he means Pristina?

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:40 pm**

Guys, guys, I know how to fix the Balkans!

We have a LIVE! group dance competition between three teams: Team Byzantine, Team Ottoman, and Team Yugoslav. Whoever wins gets the Balkans. We can call it "Dancing With the Kosovars".

You heard it here first on NS, folks. See ya'll in Stockholm when I accept my Nobel Prize.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:41 pm**

Neoconstantius wrote:Guys, guys, I know how to fix the Balkans!

We have a LIVE! group dance competition between three teams: Team Byzantine, Team Ottoman, and Team Yugoslavia. Whoever wins gets the Balkans. We'll call it "Dancing With the Kosovars".

You heard it here first on NS, folks. See ya'll in Stockholm when I accept my Nobel Prize.

We should consider re-instating the Austro-Hungarian Empire as a way to fix the problems in the Balkans... certainly it will make the region globally relevant again.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:42 pm**

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Rio Cana wrote:They needed to divide Kosovo via ethnic lines. So if they divided it by ethnic lines we would get this. It would prevent much internal fighting.

No. Playing along ethnicity is dangerous and nothing like the Balkans proved this.

Someone should slap any residual demonstration of ethnic pride and all these Serbian loyalties to Serbia against their own countries are good examples of such.

Wasn't not playing by ethnic and tribes part of the problem in Africa? Not to say it is the biggest or not, but it surely did not help.

Kadolha wrote:
Dasha Kovachevich wrote:Muslim Kosovo isn't for dang sure

I know your Albanian, so shut it.

You mean Albanian as in how most people in Kosovo are Albanian? Why should they shut it about who should be their government?

Bolkania wrote:
The North Polish Union wrote:Kosovo is not a city.

Unless he means Pristina?

That is like saying "South Korea is has always been an important of Korea". You cannot refer to a specific city by naming the country or region it is in.

Bolkania wrote:
Conscentia wrote:That's exactly how it works, provided in this example that the US no longer administrates the newly seceded Mexican Texas. Again, Claiming a territory one no longer controls is meaningless.

America has proven throughout to be a hypocrite. Bombs the shit out of our western brothers in Beograd and other Serb cities, and did they do jack shit when Rwanda went ape shit? I think not. If the hypothetical situation Petrov constructed happened, Amercia would not let Texas go.

As unlikely as your hypothetical is America in its current state would likely not peacefully let Texas go. Of course then it would possibly lead to some form of war and then the winner will probably decide the end result. Same as anywhere such as Kosovo. Serbia can accept it or continue claiming land it does not control which won't do anything but make Serbia look like a whinny child nation and reinforce already highly negative perceptions of Serbia in the world.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:44 pm**

God Kefka wrote:
Neoconstantius wrote:Guys, guys, I know how to fix the Balkans!
We have a LIVE! group dance competition between three teams: Team Byzantine, Team Ottoman, and Team Yugoslavia. Whoever wins gets the Balkans. We'll call it "Dancing With the Kosovars".
You heard it here first on NS, folks. See ya'll in Stockholm when I accept my Nobel Prize.

We should consider re-instating the Austro-Hungarian Empire as a way to fix the problems in the Balkans... certainly it will make the region globally relevant again.

The Austro-Hungarians didn't control most of the Balkans - we need to re-instate the Ottoman Empire.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:45 pm**

Conscentia wrote:
God Kefka wrote:We should consider re-instating the Austro-Hungarian Empire as a way to fix the problems in the Balkans... certainly it will make the region globally relevant again.

The Austro-Hungarians didn't control most of the Balkans - we need to re-instate the Ottoman Empire.

well if it brings back stability and order in the Middle East...

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:51 pm**

Conscentia wrote:
God Kefka wrote:We should consider re-instating the Austro-Hungarian Empire as a way to fix the problems in the Balkans... certainly it will make the region globally relevant again.

The Austro-Hungarians didn't control most of the Balkans - we need to re-instate the Ottoman Empire.

Yeah, no...

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:56 pm**

Neoconstantius wrote:
Conscentia wrote:The Austro-Hungarians didn't control most of the Balkans - we need to re-instate the Ottoman Empire.

Yeah, no...

That wasn't a serious suggestion.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:01 pm**

North Kosovo is a de facto part of Serbia. South Kosovo got its de facto independence through ethnic cleansing, destruction of property and mafia rule. If the "enlightened" recognizers think that's a good approach, they can feel free to recognize Kosovo.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:03 pm**

Shofercia wrote:North Kosovo is a de facto part of Serbia. South Kosovo got its de facto independence through ethnic cleansing, destruction of property and mafia rule. If the "enlightened" recognizers think that's a good approach, they can feel free to recognize Kosovo.

it definitely should not have been recognized... Europe doesn't need more fragmentation... it's already on the decline (which is unfortunate)...

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:04 pm**

God Kefka wrote:
Shofercia wrote:North Kosovo is a de facto part of Serbia. South Kosovo got its de facto independence through ethnic cleansing, destruction of property and mafia rule. If the "enlightened" recognizers think that's a good approach, they can feel free to recognize Kosovo.

it definitely should not have been recognized... Europe doesn't need more fragmentation... it's already on the decline (which is unfortunate)...

Unfortunate for whom? Europe's loss, be it decline or Russia, is Asia's gain. It's a matter of perspective.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:08 pm**

Bolkania wrote:Lol. Balkans. The size of a tin can, but with more ethnicities than anywhere else on the continent. We would kill half the population fighting for scraps, and we're all to blind and arrogant to work together and focus on the bigger targets.

^NS needs to install a "like" button

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:09 pm**

Shofercia wrote:North Kosovo is a de facto part of Serbia. South Kosovo got its de facto independence through ethnic cleansing, destruction of property and mafia rule. If the "enlightened" recognizers think that's a good approach, they can feel free to recognize Kosovo.

Don't make it sound like Serbia's innocent while Kosovo is the bad guy.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:09 pm**

Conscentia wrote:
Neoconstantius wrote:Yeah, no...

That wasn't a serious suggestion.

I couldn't tell but thanks for clarifying.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:12 pm**

Conscentia wrote:
Shofercia wrote:North Kosovo is a de facto part of Serbia. South Kosovo got its de facto independence through ethnic cleansing, destruction of property and mafia rule. If the "enlightened" recognizers think that's a good approach, they can feel free to recognize Kosovo.

Don't make it sound like Serbia's innocent while Kosovo is the bad guy.

Where did I say that Serbia was innocent? I simply stated facts from my perspective. You're welcome to state facts from yours. Then we can compare. It's how a debate works.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:13 pm**

Parhe wrote:Serbia can accept it or continue claiming land it does not control which won't do anything but make Serbia look like a whinny child nation and reinforce already highly negative perceptions of Serbia in the world.

Once again, we have the typical westerner who takes advantage of Serbia's misfortune and crappy position in this affair due to the demographic apocalypse sponsored in part by his very nation, whatever it may be. It's not our fault we don't control it. If it were left to us, and the bloody American hands and silent yet all-mighty media misleading tendencies stayed out of our affairs, one could walk into any major town in Kosovo and seldom acquaint himself with the opportunity to find an Albanian. Now, what we see is an inversion of this, as the reality is the very opposite.

Our claims to Kosovo don't make us whiny, and people who do consider us as such for the said reason merely make us sit back and like the rest of the world, become inheretly dissatisfied with the stark level of incompetence and dullness showcased in the views towards Serbia held by people just like you. Don't even get me started on the "child" remark either. If you want to speak of ages, the entity of Serbia is 1246 years old (and the Serbian tribe which dates back nearly 2 millenia).

As for the "highly negative perceptions of Serbia in the world", that phrase itself is broken. The world doesn't hate Serbia. It's people like you that hate Serbia and discriminate against it in innumerable aspects, and in all honesty, I know that if you could make it so, the entire world would hate Serbia.

So go on, argue with my response, and state some more anti-Serb cliches. No one's stopping you. And before drop the Albanian bomb, know that I have nothing against the Albanians. Their culture and traditions were beautiful, and inspired us and their neighbouring nations.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:16 pm**

Neoconstantius wrote:Guys, guys, I know how to fix the Balkans!

We have a LIVE! group dance competition between three teams: Team Byzantine, Team Ottoman, and Team Yugoslav. Whoever wins gets the Balkans. We can call it "Dancing With the Kosovars".

You heard it here first on NS, folks. See ya'll in Stockholm when I accept my Nobel Prize.

You want me to choose between Team Yugoslav and Team Byzantine? D:

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