Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:10 pmWe have Kosovo, about 1000 years as a part of Serbia. Kosovo is a historic province were the Serbs fought against the Turks. Plus, there are more Serbs in it. Kosovo is Serbia.
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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:10 pmPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:11 pmPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:12 pmThe serbian majority north should be, the rest is not.
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:13 pmThis thread is just so ridiculous...
It's not really irredentism, seeing as Kosovo has been a unit of the Serbian state since the 13th century and is still widely regarded as such.
It's not really irredentism, seeing as Kosovo has been a unit of the Serbian state since the 13th century and is still widely regarded as such.
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:13 pmPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:14 pm
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:15 pmNo, that is fucking wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Kosovo#Ethnic_groups
92% of Kosovars are Albanian.
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:15 pmUntil the Government of Serbia recognizes Kosovo's independence, which it has no legitimate basis for except ethnic nationalism, then it will always be a part of Serbia.
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:15 pmFor most of history, Europe was devoid of humans. Clearly everyone should leave - no wait, thy argument is terrible. Things change - live with it.
Kadolha wrote:Kosovo is a historic province were the Serbs fought against the Turks. Plus, there are more Serbs in it. Kosovo is Serbia.
Not true.
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:16 pmPetrovia- wrote:Until the Government of Serbia recognizes Kosovo's independence, which it has no legitimate basis for except ethnic nationalism, then it will always be a part of Serbia.
109 of the world's 193 nations have recognized Kosovo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio ... _of_Kosovo
Serbia is not the be-all and end-all here.
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:18 pmKadolha wrote:Regnum Dominae wrote:I don't think you do, otherwise you would not have claimed that Russia has a blue water navy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue-water_navy
(also, no, Kosovo is Kosovo. Serbia is Serbia. Kosovo is not Serbia.)
(Also, yes, Kosovo is Serbia. Serbia is Serbia. Kosovo is forever Serbia)
And I'm off, going to watch some youtube videos.
lel of course all of balkans is serbia amirite?
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:19 pmPetrovia- wrote:Until the Government of Serbia recognizes Kosovo's independence, which it has no legitimate basis for except ethnic nationalism, then it will always be a part of Serbia.
We will never say that Kosovo is independent. KOSOVO IS SERBIA FOREVER! And I don't care if there are more Albanians, cause KOSOVO WILL BE SERBIA FOR ALL TIME!
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:19 pmRegnum Dominae wrote:Petrovia- wrote:Until the Government of Serbia recognizes Kosovo's independence, which it has no legitimate basis for except ethnic nationalism, then it will always be a part of Serbia.
109 of the world's 193 nations have recognized Kosovo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio ... _of_Kosovo
Serbia is not the be-all and end-all here.
As the rightful ruler of the land since before the Ottoman incursion into the Balkans, it damn well has more of a say on Kosovo's independence than the rest of the world.
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:19 pmPetrovia- wrote:Until the Government of Serbia recognizes Kosovo's independence, which it has no legitimate basis for except ethnic nationalism, then it will always be a part of Serbia.
You apart from the fact Kosovo is largely running itself these days, and is recognised by 107 out of 193 UN members. Serbia's opinion has no legit basis.
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:20 pmKadolha wrote:Petrovia- wrote:Until the Government of Serbia recognizes Kosovo's independence, which it has no legitimate basis for except ethnic nationalism, then it will always be a part of Serbia.
We will never say that Kosovo is independent. (1) KOSOVO IS SERBIA FOREVER! And I don't care if there are more Albanians, cause (2) KOSOVO WILL BE SERBIA FOR ALL TIME!
1) Why?
2) That's demonstrably false.
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:20 pmKosovo is an independent nation. The Serbians just need to accept that whether they like it or not.
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:21 pmPetrovia- wrote:Regnum Dominae wrote:109 of the world's 193 nations have recognized Kosovo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio ... _of_Kosovo
Serbia is not the be-all and end-all here.
As the rightful ruler of the land since before the Ottoman incursion into the Balkans, it damn well has more of a say on Kosovo's independence than the rest of the world.
Claiming a territory one no longer controls is meaningless.
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:22 pmKadolha wrote:Petrovia- wrote:Until the Government of Serbia recognizes Kosovo's independence, which it has no legitimate basis for except ethnic nationalism, then it will always be a part of Serbia.
We will never say that Kosovo is independent. KOSOVO IS SERBIA FOREVER! And I don't care if there are more Albanians, cause KOSOVO WILL BE SERBIA FOR ALL TIME!
I can guarantee Serbia won't even exist for all time.
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:22 pmConscentia wrote:Petrovia- wrote:Until the Government of Serbia recognizes Kosovo's independence, which it has no legitimate basis for except ethnic nationalism, then it will always be a part of Serbia.
You apart from the fact Kosovo is largely running itself these days, and is recognised by 107 out of 193 UN members. Serbia's opinion has no legit basis.
Okay, so, if Mexicans become the majority in Texas, and then secede from the US, and then have most of the world recognize the newly independent Texas, even if the US does not, that means the US will just have to sit and deal with it, right?
No. That's not how it works.
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:23 pmKosovo is Uruguay.
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:24 pmPetrovia- wrote:Conscentia wrote:You apart from the fact Kosovo is largely running itself these days, and is recognised by 107 out of 193 UN members. Serbia's opinion has no legit basis.
Okay, so, if Mexicans become the majority in Texas, and then secede from the US, and then have most of the world recognize the newly independent Texas, even if the US does not, that means the US will just have to sit and deal with it, right?
No. That's not how it works.
That's exactly how it works, provided in this example that the US no longer administrates the newly seceded Mexican Texas. Again, Claiming a territory one no longer controls is meaningless.
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:24 pmNorth Kosovo is Serbia. The people there want to be Serbian and no amount of whining by Albanian nationalists will change that.
As for the rest of Kosovo...
As for the rest of Kosovo...
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:25 pmSo I think we've heard enough "Kosovo is Serbia!!!1!one!" for a while. What, in your opinion, are the primary arguments/justifications for Kosovar independence?
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:26 pmKadolha wrote:Petrovia- wrote:Until the Government of Serbia recognizes Kosovo's independence, which it has no legitimate basis for except ethnic nationalism, then it will always be a part of Serbia.
We will never say that Kosovo is independent. KOSOVO IS SERBIA FOREVER! And I don't care if there are more Albanians, cause KOSOVO WILL BE SERBIA FOR ALL TIME!
No. The Kosovars don't want to be part of Serbia anymore. So Kosobo is no longer part of Serbia.
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:27 pmConscentia wrote:Petrovia- wrote:Okay, so, if Mexicans become the majority in Texas, and then secede from the US, and then have most of the world recognize the newly independent Texas, even if the US does not, that means the US will just have to sit and deal with it, right?
No. That's not how it works.
That's exactly how it works, provided in this example that the US no longer administrates the newly seceded Mexican Texas. Again, Claiming a territory one no longer controls is meaningless.
America has proven throughout to be a hypocrite. Bombs the shit out of our western brothers in Beograd and other Serb cities, and did they do jack shit when Rwanda went ape shit? I think not. If the hypothetical situation Petrov constructed happened, Amercia would not let Texas go.