Is Kosovo part of Serbia?

[Conscentia]

Kosovo is independent.

NOPE. Kosovo is Serbia.

That's not actually true.

[Kadolha]

NOPE. Kosovo is Serbia.

Why?

We have Kosovo, about 1000 years as a part of Serbia. Kosovo is a historic province were the Serbs fought against the Turks. Plus, there are more Serbs in it. Kosovo is Serbia.

[Corumm]

The serbian majority north should be, the rest is not.

[Neoconstantius]

This thread is just so ridiculous...

(Also, yes, Kosovo is Serbia. Serbia is Serbia. Kosovo is forever Serbia)

And I'm off, going to watch some youtube videos.

What makes Kosovo part of Serbia, aside from irredentism that has absolutely no relevance?

It's not really irredentism, seeing as Kosovo has been a unit of the Serbian state since the 13th century and is still widely regarded as such.

[The Carlisle]

Kosovo is independent.

NOPE. Kosovo is Serbia.

No, Kosovo is not part of Serbia. Kosovo is independent. It has been that way for more than a decade. That is a fact, there is no denying it.

[Regnum Dominae]

Why?

We have Kosovo, about 1000 years as a part of Serbia. Kosovo is a historic province were the Serbs fought against the Turks. Plus, there are more Serbs in it. Kosovo is Serbia.

No, there aren't.

[The Carlisle]

Why?

We have Kosovo, about 1000 years as a part of Serbia. Kosovo is a historic province were the Serbs fought against the Turks. Plus, there are more Serbs in it. Kosovo is Serbia.

No, that is fucking wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Kosovo#Ethnic_groups

92% of Kosovars are Albanian.

[Petrovia-]

Until the Government of Serbia recognizes Kosovo's independence, which it has no legitimate basis for except ethnic nationalism, then it will always be a part of Serbia.

[Conscentia]

Why?

We have Kosovo, about 1000 years as a part of Serbia.

For most of history, Europe was devoid of humans. Clearly everyone should leave - no wait, thy argument is terrible. Things change - live with it.

Kosovo is a historic province were the Serbs fought against the Turks. Plus, there are more Serbs in it. Kosovo is Serbia.

Not true.

[Regnum Dominae]

Until the Government of Serbia recognizes Kosovo's independence, which it has no legitimate basis for except ethnic nationalism, then it will always be a part of Serbia.

109 of the world's 193 nations have recognized Kosovo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio ... _of_Kosovo

Serbia is not the be-all and end-all here.

[Omorov-Nier]

I don't think you do, otherwise you would not have claimed that Russia has a blue water navy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue-water_navy

(also, no, Kosovo is Kosovo. Serbia is Serbia. Kosovo is not Serbia.)

(Also, yes, Kosovo is Serbia. Serbia is Serbia. Kosovo is forever Serbia)

And I'm off, going to watch some youtube videos.

lel of course all of balkans is serbia amirite?

[Kadolha]

Until the Government of Serbia recognizes Kosovo's independence, which it has no legitimate basis for except ethnic nationalism, then it will always be a part of Serbia.

We will never say that Kosovo is independent. KOSOVO IS SERBIA FOREVER! And I don't care if there are more Albanians, cause KOSOVO WILL BE SERBIA FOR ALL TIME!

[Petrovia-]

Until the Government of Serbia recognizes Kosovo's independence, which it has no legitimate basis for except ethnic nationalism, then it will always be a part of Serbia.

109 of the world's 193 nations have recognized Kosovo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio ... _of_Kosovo

Serbia is not the be-all and end-all here.

As the rightful ruler of the land since before the Ottoman incursion into the Balkans, it damn well has more of a say on Kosovo's independence than the rest of the world.

[Conscentia]

Until the Government of Serbia recognizes Kosovo's independence, which it has no legitimate basis for except ethnic nationalism, then it will always be a part of Serbia.

You apart from the fact Kosovo is largely running itself these days, and is recognised by 107 out of 193 UN members. Serbia's opinion has no legit basis.

[Regnum Dominae]

Until the Government of Serbia recognizes Kosovo's independence, which it has no legitimate basis for except ethnic nationalism, then it will always be a part of Serbia.

We will never say that Kosovo is independent. (1) KOSOVO IS SERBIA FOREVER! And I don't care if there are more Albanians, cause (2) KOSOVO WILL BE SERBIA FOR ALL TIME!

1) Why?
2) That's demonstrably false.

[Moroada]

Kosovo is an independent nation. The Serbians just need to accept that whether they like it or not.

[Conscentia]

109 of the world's 193 nations have recognized Kosovo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio ... _of_Kosovo
Serbia is not the be-all and end-all here.

As the rightful ruler of the land since before the Ottoman incursion into the Balkans, it damn well has more of a say on Kosovo's independence than the rest of the world.

Claiming a territory one no longer controls is meaningless.

[Conscentia]

Until the Government of Serbia recognizes Kosovo's independence, which it has no legitimate basis for except ethnic nationalism, then it will always be a part of Serbia.

We will never say that Kosovo is independent. KOSOVO IS SERBIA FOREVER! And I don't care if there are more Albanians, cause KOSOVO WILL BE SERBIA FOR ALL TIME!

I can guarantee Serbia won't even exist for all time.

[Petrovia-]

Until the Government of Serbia recognizes Kosovo's independence, which it has no legitimate basis for except ethnic nationalism, then it will always be a part of Serbia.

You apart from the fact Kosovo is largely running itself these days, and is recognised by 107 out of 193 UN members. Serbia's opinion has no legit basis.

Okay, so, if Mexicans become the majority in Texas, and then secede from the US, and then have most of the world recognize the newly independent Texas, even if the US does not, that means the US will just have to sit and deal with it, right?

No. That's not how it works.

[Rosenfeld]

Kosovo is Uruguay.

[Conscentia]

You apart from the fact Kosovo is largely running itself these days, and is recognised by 107 out of 193 UN members. Serbia's opinion has no legit basis.

Okay, so, if Mexicans become the majority in Texas, and then secede from the US, and then have most of the world recognize the newly independent Texas, even if the US does not, that means the US will just have to sit and deal with it, right?
No. That's not how it works.

That's exactly how it works, provided in this example that the US no longer administrates the newly seceded Mexican Texas. Again, Claiming a territory one no longer controls is meaningless.

[The North Polish Union]

North Kosovo is Serbia. The people there want to be Serbian and no amount of whining by Albanian nationalists will change that.

As for the rest of Kosovo...

[Neoconstantius]

So I think we've heard enough "Kosovo is Serbia!!!1!one!" for a while. What, in your opinion, are the primary arguments/justifications for Kosovar independence?

[The Carlisle]

Until the Government of Serbia recognizes Kosovo's independence, which it has no legitimate basis for except ethnic nationalism, then it will always be a part of Serbia.

We will never say that Kosovo is independent. KOSOVO IS SERBIA FOREVER! And I don't care if there are more Albanians, cause KOSOVO WILL BE SERBIA FOR ALL TIME!

No. The Kosovars don't want to be part of Serbia anymore. So Kosobo is no longer part of Serbia.

[Bolkania]

Okay, so, if Mexicans become the majority in Texas, and then secede from the US, and then have most of the world recognize the newly independent Texas, even if the US does not, that means the US will just have to sit and deal with it, right?
No. That's not how it works.

That's exactly how it works, provided in this example that the US no longer administrates the newly seceded Mexican Texas. Again, Claiming a territory one no longer controls is meaningless.

America has proven throughout to be a hypocrite. Bombs the shit out of our western brothers in Beograd and other Serb cities, and did they do jack shit when Rwanda went ape shit? I think not. If the hypothetical situation Petrov constructed happened, Amercia would not let Texas go.