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Postby Nuverikstan » Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:47 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
The Democratic States of Khazakia wrote:I don't know if there's already a thread for this, or if it was locked by a mod. If so, :palm:.
I just want to hear everyone's opinion on this, and/or the other un-internationally recognized nations. It's not my intention to start some cyber-war or anything.
First of all, I fully support Kosovo
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Nagorno-Karabakh,
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Postby Marsisian » Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:47 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Marsisian wrote:No, Kosovo is independent.

They should make another Yugoslavia.

Do you have any idea what an utterly terrible idea that is?

I do not. I think it is a great idea.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:47 pm

Bolkania wrote:Kosovo Je Srbija!!!

Now, I've got that out, the majority of the world recognise it apart from two very important S.C members: Russia and China, and more nations. See wiki.

As if having the disapproval of Russia and China and the approval of the West in anything out of economy meant a good thing.
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Postby The Democratic States of Khazakia » Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:47 pm

Marsisian wrote:No, Kosovo is independent.

They should make another Yugoslavia.

I agree with you, but that'll probably result is some great war.
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Postby Rio Cana » Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:47 pm

They needed to divide Kosovo via ethnic lines. So if they divided it by ethnic lines we would get this. It would prevent much internal fighting.

On this map only the northern red part could be separated and given to Serbia since they border that nation. That other red area borders Macedonia so it cannot really join Serbia.

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Postby Regnum Dominae » Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:48 pm

Marsisian wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Do you have any idea what an utterly terrible idea that is?

I do not. I think it is a great idea.

Do you have any knowledge whatsoever of what took place in former yugoslavia during the 1990s?
I support peace in Israel and Palestine. The governments and people in power on all sides are an absolute disgrace, and their unwillingness to pursue peace is a disservice to the people they are meant to be serving. The status quo is not simply untenable; it is unquestionably unacceptable.

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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:48 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:-snip-

If there is something sure about Nagorno-Karabakh, is that it is not Azerbaijan anymore.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:48 pm

The new united britsh empire wrote:De Facto No
De Jure No!!!

wat
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Postby Marsisian » Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:49 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Marsisian wrote:I do not. I think it is a great idea.

Do you have any knowledge whatsoever of what took place in former yugoslavia during the 1990s?

Then there should be another Austrian/Ottoman Empire.
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Postby Estado Paulista » Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:50 pm

No. Get over it.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:50 pm

Rio Cana wrote:They needed to divide Kosovo via ethnic lines. So if they divided it by ethnic lines we would get this. It would prevent much internal fighting.

No. Playing along ethnicity is dangerous and nothing like the Balkans proved this.

Someone should slap any residual demonstration of ethnic pride and all these Serbian loyalties to Serbia against their own countries are good examples of such.
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Postby Bolkania » Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:50 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Marsisian wrote:I do not. I think it is a great idea.

Do you have any knowledge whatsoever of what took place in former yugoslavia during the 1990s?


Yugoslavia can happen, just not now or at least not on that scale. The idea of Pan-Slavism is great, but inter-ethnic rivalry destroyed the state.

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Postby Kedien » Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:51 pm

Of course it is even though Russia and China thinks its a part of Serbia almost all of the other permanate UN members thinks it is so the majority thinks its independent then it should.

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Postby Regnum Dominae » Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:51 pm

Marsisian wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Do you have any knowledge whatsoever of what took place in former yugoslavia during the 1990s?

Then there should be another Austrian/Ottoman Empire.

Lolwat.
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Postby Nuverikstan » Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:51 pm

Rio Cana wrote:They needed to divide Kosovo via ethnic lines. So if they divided it by ethnic lines we would get this. It would prevent much internal fighting.

On this map only the northern red part could be separated and given to Serbia since they border that nation. That other red area borders Macedonia so it cannot really join Serbia.

(Image)


Well according to that we should give Kosovo to Albania.
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Postby Bolkania » Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:51 pm

Rio Cana wrote:They needed to divide Kosovo via ethnic lines. So if they divided it by ethnic lines we would get this. It would prevent much internal fighting.

On this map only the northern red part could be separated and given to Serbia since they border that nation. That other red area borders Macedonia so it cannot really join Serbia.

(Image)


Most defiantly. At least give Serbia back North Kosovo, where Serbs are forced into Ghettos and are deprived of basic human rights.

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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:52 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Marsisian wrote:Then there should be another Austrian/Ottoman Empire.

Lolwat.

I already proposed a state from Slovenia to East Turkestan. :P
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Postby Marsisian » Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:52 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Marsisian wrote:Then there should be another Austrian/Ottoman Empire.

Lolwat.

I'm fucking serious.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:52 pm

Marsisian wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Lolwat.

I'm fucking serious.

Irredentism really doesn't have any logic behind it at all.
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Postby Rio Cana » Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:53 pm

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Rio Cana wrote:They needed to divide Kosovo via ethnic lines. So if they divided it by ethnic lines we would get this. It would prevent much internal fighting.

No. Playing along ethnicity is dangerous and nothing like the Balkans proved this.

Someone should slap any residual demonstration of ethnic pride and all these Serbian loyalties to Serbia against their own countries are good examples of such.


You rather have them hating each other. That is worse. The allies did it after WW II when they forced the Germans to move to Germany in order to prevent any future problems in the new nations of Eastern Europe.
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Postby Bolkania » Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:53 pm

Marsisian wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Do you have any knowledge whatsoever of what took place in former yugoslavia during the 1990s?

Then there should be another Austrian/Ottoman Empire.


Yay! Hip hip hurrah for more massacres! :palm:

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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:53 pm

Bolkania wrote:Most defiantly. At least give Serbia back North Kosovo, where Serbs are forced into Ghettos and are deprived of basic human rights.

The Kosovars have no problem with the South Slavs in their far south. Really, no guesses why they would have antipathies for the Serbs? :roll:
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Postby Marsisian » Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:53 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Marsisian wrote:I'm fucking serious.

Irredentism really doesn't have any logic behind it at all.

Still, the idea of Yugoslavia is great, but people are too fucking stupid to realize that.
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Postby The Democratic States of Khazakia » Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:53 pm

I'm surprised no one has brought Vojvodina into this...
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:54 pm

Rio Cana wrote:You rather have them hating each other. That is worse. The allies did it after WW II when they forced the Germans to move to Germany in order to prevent any future problems in the new nations of Eastern Europe.

That was actually ethnic cleansing.

What the Serbs themselves attempted. And what 90% of Balkan Orthodox-majority people-based irredentism advocate, too. :roll:
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