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How did the Universe come to be?

1.) The Big Bang
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2.) A Universal God
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3.) everything formed on it's own
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4.) everything was already here and has always been
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5%
5.) other: your own theory if you have one that isn't listed
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Postby Hindenburgia » Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:15 am

Glasgia wrote:
Vadorva wrote:The Big Bang
The Big Bang supposedly is something that just flashed and the universe was here. The entire infinite universe felt this flash, really? Do you realize just how big the object that created such a thing would have to be? Impossibly large to cover the infinite universe, plus we can't really prove the Big Bang actually happened, we would need the scientific method to prove this, and I don't see how we can. I think this option is illogical because of how infinite the universe is, also this theory just seems to be something scientists just put out there to counter the God theory.


Just put out there to counter the god theory? Seriously? The big bang's one of many theories, with hundreds before it claiming to have much logical backing. However, physicists now have much major evidence relating to the existence of the big bang.

For as start, the Big Bang didn't "just flash". The Big Bang is the point in which an incredibly small, yet dense, concentration of matter and energy imploded upon itself - An action observed on a far lesser, but still huge, scale with black holes. The resulting explosion flung this matter outwards, the first step in the growth of the universe that we see today. Currently, due to this initial explosion, the momentum is still carrying most matter away from the undefinable "core" of the universe and maintaining its expansion. The planets, such as our Earth, formed as protons collided with neutrons and electrons to create atoms, atoms crashed together to make molecules, molecules collided and formed specks of dust, slowly leading to lumps of rock pounding into each other and forming planets. I believe, though someone can correct me on this, the Earth only came into being about three billion years after the "bang" - It didn't just come into being.

As far as I am aware, the currently "leading" idea is that "prior" (though it was not really "prior" as there was no time for it to be prior) to the big bang, "everything" (though there was nowhere for there to be anything, as there was to space for it to be in) was in a state of quantum vacuum, which is inherently unstable, leading to what is known as a "vacuum fluctuation", which resulted in the energy of the big bang. The likelihood of this happening is infinitesimally small (as in, so small that even given the entire lifespan of the universe from start to heat death it would still be basically zero), but as time did not exist, there was nothing to regulate events, which meant that the probability of the big bang was actually one.

Interestingly enough, the same principle means that, with no provocation whatsoever, a hundred-mile-wide wheel of aged cheddar cheese could simply appear over Dubai, falling and crushing the city. The reason this doesn't happen is that a vacuum fluctuation of that magnitude is so unlikely that, again, even given the universe's entire predicted lifespan, the probability is considered to be zero, i.e. impossible.

Also, the expansion of galaxies is not really due to momentum - space is expanding, which includes the space between galaxies. It's like the surface of a balloon that is being inflated - pick two points on the surface, and as the balloon expands, the points grow further apart.
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Postby Czechanada » Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:32 am

To all you atheists and Chritians, if the Quran does not correlate with science, then why does it refer to heavens expanding, hmm? It sounds like the Big Bang. Checkmate.
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Postby Hindenburgia » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:54 pm

Czechanada wrote:To all you atheists and Chritians, if the Quran does not correlate with science, then why does it refer to heavens expanding, hmm? It sounds like the Big Bang. Checkmate.

...I was about to respond half-seriously, but then recalled your previous posts.

Amazing how a change in avatar can make people more likely to think you are serious, I suppose.
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Postby Nervium » Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:03 pm

Czechanada wrote:To all you atheists and Chritians, if the Quran does not correlate with science, then why does it refer to heavens expanding, hmm? It sounds like the Big Bang. Checkmate.


Now... Were talking about the same Quran here...
The one that claims that salt water and sweet water don't mix... Right?
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Postby Czechanada » Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:18 pm

Nervium wrote:
Czechanada wrote:To all you atheists and Chritians, if the Quran does not correlate with science, then why does it refer to heavens expanding, hmm? It sounds like the Big Bang. Checkmate.


Now... Were talking about the same Quran here...
The one that claims that salt water and sweet water don't mix... Right?


Of course they do not mix, have your ever tasted it?
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:20 pm

Czechanada wrote:To all you atheists and Chritians, if the Quran does not correlate with science, then why does it refer to heavens expanding, hmm? It sounds like the Big Bang. Checkmate.

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Scientific_Er ... the_Qur'an

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Postby Verkaria » Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:26 pm

Czechanada wrote:To all you atheists and Chritians, if the Quran does not correlate with science, then why does it refer to heavens expanding, hmm? It sounds like the Big Bang. Checkmate.


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Postby Arcturus Novus » Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:41 pm

An increasingly unstable singluariy which contained an unreasonably large amount of matter and energy kinda exploded upon itself, creating a fledgling Universe.
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Postby Sociobiology » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:38 pm

Czechanada wrote:
Nervium wrote:
Now... Were talking about the same Quran here...
The one that claims that salt water and sweet water don't mix... Right?


Of course they do not mix, have your ever tasted it?

yeah its the basis of coca cola.
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Postby Sociobiology » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:41 pm

The Solar System Scope wrote:I read somewhere that evolution was denied by one famous scientist. I don't remember who, but I shall look it up. A magazine did also say something about that.

I am sure I can find one doctor somewhere who thinks disease is caused by demons.
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:46 pm

Sociobiology wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:I read somewhere that evolution was denied by one famous scientist. I don't remember who, but I shall look it up. A magazine did also say something about that.

I am sure I can find one doctor somewhere who thinks disease is caused by demons.
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:48 pm

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The Solar System Scope wrote:I read somewhere that evolution was denied by one famous scientist. I don't remember who, but I shall look it up. A magazine did also say something about that.

I am sure I can find one doctor somewhere who thinks disease is caused by demons.
what's your point?

Simple. If 1 scientist doesn't believe in evolution (or should I say "evilution"?) then this obviously means it's a hoax. *nods*
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Postby Ikania » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:53 pm

*Cries at OP's lack of understanding about the Big Bang*
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Postby Breadknife » Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:51 pm

Hindenburgia wrote:Interestingly enough, the same principle means that, with no provocation whatsoever, a hundred-mile-wide wheel of aged cheddar cheese could simply appear over Dubai, falling and crushing the city. The reason this doesn't happen is that a vacuum fluctuation of that magnitude is so unlikely that, again, even given the universe's entire predicted lifespan, the probability is considered to be zero, i.e. impossible.

Make it Stilton, and I think it might be worth keeping an open ticket to Dubai (or as close as I can get, after the event), ready to exercise as soon as this actually happens.

Or perhaps a nice creamy Brie (hopefully at the stage it'd be almost crawling off the plate... if there were a big enough plate).

I know that this is not, technically, what you were bringing to the conversation, but I happen to be a big fan of cheese so naturally that's all I can think about now...
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Postby The Solar System Scope » Wed Feb 12, 2014 5:16 am

The Solar System Scope wrote:I read somewhere that evolution was denied by one famous scientist. I don't remember who, but I shall look it up. A magazine did also say something about that.

I found it!
The Enchanted Loom: Mind in the Universe, New York, 1981, page 19
The Immense Journey, New York, 1957, page 199
New Scientist, 25 June 1981, page 828
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Postby Meridiani Planum » Wed Feb 12, 2014 7:55 am

Czechanada wrote:To all you atheists and Chritians, if the Quran does not correlate with science, then why does it refer to heavens expanding, hmm? It sounds like the Big Bang. Checkmate.


Clearly the Quran points to a godless expanding universe. Checkmate, Muslims! :lol2:
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Postby Meridiani Planum » Wed Feb 12, 2014 7:58 am

Czechanada wrote:What people need to understand is that time and space are inexorably linked, time did not exist before the Big Bang so one cannot ask "What was there before the Big Bang?" . So when the Big Bang started from an infinite mass that period can be referred to as t = 0. In a way, it means that the universe has always existed.


Yes, precisely. The universe did not necessarily pop into existence out of nothing. Even if the past is finite, the universe may always have existed, with no period of a pure philosophical "nothingness".
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Postby Breadknife » Wed Feb 12, 2014 9:57 am

The Solar System Scope wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:I read somewhere that evolution was denied by one famous scientist. I don't remember who, but I shall look it up. A magazine did also say something about that.

I found it!
The Enchanted Loom: Mind in the Universe, New York, 1981, page 19
The Immense Journey, New York, 1957, page 199
New Scientist, 25 June 1981, page 828

Doing the legwork myself (grumble grumble), the middle one was written by Loren Eiseley. Unfortunately I cannot see any sign of him denying evolution (much less refuting it).
There's the quote "There is no logical reason for the existence of a snowflake any more than there is for evolution. It is an apparition from that mysterious shadow world beyond nature, that final world which contains—if anything contains—the explanation of men and catfish and green leaves.", which might be read as evolution denial (also snowflake denial), but more realistically suggests that all is being said is that the (at the time, i.e. 1957) process is a bit of a mystery, not that it does not exist.

The New Scientist magazine link (I don't go that far back, in my own collection of the magazine, and didn't expect a triple-figure page number for an issue) Googles most readily to a forum post quoting an article in jehovas-witness.net (yes, The Watchtower... a surprisingly enjoyable read that I often enjoy, you may be surprised about, but maybe not really unbiased in its choice of article it might choose to print) which contains references to The Enchanted Loom (saving me time in looking that up, having originally decided to work through chronologically).

And yet the forum response on the Jehovas Witness forum is littered with followups such as:
The description of the "scientific method" is very much oversimplified. The writer confuses "theory" with "hypothesis" for one thing. Also, the experiments are constructed to "falsify" the hypothesis.

I am not impressed.

The ". . ." are red flags. These kinds of quotes, which are taken out of context, are not about evolutionists saying that they don't accept evolution(!!), but rather that they, or some other 'clique' in science, are against a certain understanding of the mechanism or process behind evolution. [...]
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And, as I suspected might occur (in one form or another)...
Why do they quote an astronomer about chemistry?
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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:01 am

Nobody was to blame, it was all just an unfortunate accident. We must never speak of this again.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:09 am

The Solar System Scope wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:I read somewhere that evolution was denied by one famous scientist. I don't remember who, but I shall look it up. A magazine did also say something about that.

I found it!
The Enchanted Loom: Mind in the Universe, New York, 1981, page 19


Astronomer Robert Jastrow says: “To their chagrin [scientists] have no clear-cut answer, because chemists have never succeeded in reproducing nature’s experiments on the creation of life out of nonliving matter. Scientists do not know how that happened.”—The Enchanted Loom: Mind in the Universe (New York, 1981), p. 19.


That's not a denial of evolution. It is merely an astronomer's (not an evolutionary biologist's) acknowledgement that abiogenesis has not been entirely replicated yet to human scientists, and how it happened remains in the realm of theory, which doesn't mean it's a baseless guess.

Good job. You just lied to our faces.
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Postby The Solar System Scope » Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:03 am

Liriena wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:I found it!
The Enchanted Loom: Mind in the Universe, New York, 1981, page 19


Astronomer Robert Jastrow says: “To their chagrin [scientists] have no clear-cut answer, because chemists have never succeeded in reproducing nature’s experiments on the creation of life out of nonliving matter. Scientists do not know how that happened.”—The Enchanted Loom: Mind in the Universe (New York, 1981), p. 19.


That's not a denial of evolution. It is merely an astronomer's (not an evolutionary biologist's) acknowledgement that abiogenesis has not been entirely replicated yet to human scientists, and how it happened remains in the realm of theory, which doesn't mean it's a baseless guess.

Good job. You just lied to our faces.

Not necessarily. ¡It shows you WHAT A... ahem, NOT SMART THEORY you have! ¿Why should you believe it?
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:30 am

The Solar System Scope wrote:
Liriena wrote:
Astronomer Robert Jastrow says: “To their chagrin [scientists] have no clear-cut answer, because chemists have never succeeded in reproducing nature’s experiments on the creation of life out of nonliving matter. Scientists do not know how that happened.”—The Enchanted Loom: Mind in the Universe (New York, 1981), p. 19.


That's not a denial of evolution. It is merely an astronomer's (not an evolutionary biologist's) acknowledgement that abiogenesis has not been entirely replicated yet to human scientists, and how it happened remains in the realm of theory, which doesn't mean it's a baseless guess.

Good job. You just lied to our faces.

Not necessarily. ¡It shows you WHAT A... ahem, NOT SMART THEORY you have! ¿Why should you believe it?

A guy talking about something that isn't evolution means evolution isn't a "smart theory"?
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Postby Liriena » Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:48 am

The Solar System Scope wrote:
Liriena wrote:
Astronomer Robert Jastrow says: “To their chagrin [scientists] have no clear-cut answer, because chemists have never succeeded in reproducing nature’s experiments on the creation of life out of nonliving matter. Scientists do not know how that happened.”—The Enchanted Loom: Mind in the Universe (New York, 1981), p. 19.


That's not a denial of evolution. It is merely an astronomer's (not an evolutionary biologist's) acknowledgement that abiogenesis has not been entirely replicated yet to human scientists, and how it happened remains in the realm of theory, which doesn't mean it's a baseless guess.

Good job. You just lied to our faces.

Not necessarily. ¡It shows you WHAT A... ahem, NOT SMART THEORY you have! ¿Why should you believe it?

:eyebrow: You ignore the massive amount of evidence supporting the theory of evolution through natural selection, confuse the theory of evolution through natural selection with abiogenesis, quote-mine an unqualified author making claims that don't falsify the theory of evolution through natural selection nor abiogenesis, and you have the obtuse balls to claim that your not-even-wrong malarkey somehow shows that the theory of evolution through natural selection is "NOT SMART"?

Why should I believe in the theory of evolution through natural selection and abiogenesis? Because the research carried out thus far supports both. Because they have not been properly falsified.

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Postby Seriong » Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:40 am

Vadorva wrote:The Big Bang
The Big Bang supposedly is something that just flashed and the universe was here. The entire infinite universe felt this flash, really? Do you realize just how big the object that created such a thing would have to be? Impossibly large to cover the infinite universe, plus we can't really prove the Big Bang actually happened, we would need the scientific method to prove this, and I don't see how we can. I think this option is illogical because of how infinite the universe is, also this theory just seems to be something scientists just put out there to counter the God theory.

That's not at all correct.
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Postby Sociobiology » Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:47 pm

The Solar System Scope wrote:Astronomer Robert Jastrow says: “To their chagrin [scientists] have no clear-cut answer, because chemists have never succeeded in reproducing nature’s experiments on the creation of life out of nonliving matter. Scientists do not know how that happened.”—The Enchanted Loom: Mind in the Universe (New York, 1981), p. 19.


You should read newer material

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/05/ribonucleotides/

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/323/5918/1229.abstract

not that the origin of life is part of evolution but you really should try to keep up, science is not stagnant like religion.
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