How did the Universe come to be?

[New Zreuche]

I mean, Sumerians have books that existed for longer than our species existed. They also didn't record the great flood, yet somehow survived through it.

Weird.

Actually the Sumerians did record a great flood, though it "happened" way before the date he bible gives.

It's thought that sumerian religion influenced the old testament, Judaism is a very old religion so it's no suprise.

[Potentiation]

Who are the 17 people who voted for steady state theory?

Stating that the universe has always existed is not necessarily saying that the steady state theory is true.

[Czechanada]

Why don't we just combine all of the scientific and religious theories?

Within every guess, there is a grain of truth, and if we combine them all, we'll be close to answer.

[Zarkanians]

Chuck Norris round-house-kicked a rock, and that caused the big bang. Liam Nieson stared determinedly into the distance, and that caused the resulting particles to begin to form into matter. Morgan Freeman smiled, and that caused life to begin to form. Then they got in their time-machine and went home. The end.

[New Zreuche]

Who are the 17 people who voted for steady state theory?

Stating that the universe has always existed is not necessarily saying that the steady state theory is true.

But that's exactly what the steady state theory states

Or roughly anyway, unless they mean some random other theory with the same effect, though they can all be considered "steady state" theories

[Sun Wukong]

Why don't we just combine all of the scientific and religious theories?

Within every guess, there is a grain of truth, and if we combine them all, we'll be close to answer.

"Alright, so far we've got, "Tiamat spoke it's own name, and began expanding and contracting into a ball material that was always there, meanwhile the Titan Chaos created light via a black hole in another universe while humming a tune for the Valar, who became the first protons; but then Melkor and Ungoliant created Dark Energy by sucking the fundamental forces from Yggdrasil."

We're looking at incorporating Buddhism next, but every time we ask them a question the answer turns out to be a metaphor for our inner struggles."

[Potentiation]

But that's exactly what the steady state theory states

Both creation myths and the Big Bang also state the universe had a beginning. That obviously does not entail that they are the same thing, or that committing yourself to one is the same thing as committing yourself to the other.

[Zarkanians]

Stating that the universe has always existed is not necessarily saying that the steady state theory is true.

But that's exactly what the steady state theory states

Or roughly anyway, unless they mean some random other theory with the same effect, though they can all be considered "steady state" theories

What Potentiation is saying is true; the Big Bang theory states that the universe has always existed as well--in some form or another, at least. That said, that's not the same thing as the Steady State theory. The Steady State theory shouldn't even be considered at this point; we know for a fact that celestial bodies are drifting away from each other.

[New Zreuche]

But that's exactly what the steady state theory states

Both creation myths and the Big Bang also state the universe had a beginning. That obviously does not entail that they are the same thing, or that committing yourself to one is the same thing as committing yourself to the other.

Oops, my bad, the steady state theory specifically insinuates that matter is created in the voids left by receding galaxies, I was considering it as a general term for static universe theories

[Zarkanians]

Both creation myths and the Big Bang also state the universe had a beginning. That obviously does not entail that they are the same thing, or that committing yourself to one is the same thing as committing yourself to the other.

Oops, my bad, the steady state theory specifically insinuates that matter is created in the voids left by receding galaxies, I was considering it as a general term for static universe theories

... Oh.

Well, I'm just gonna go sit over here and think about what I did wrong, then.

[Alcase]

Big bang

[New Zreuche]

Why don't we just combine all of the scientific and religious theories?

Within every guess, there is a grain of truth, and if we combine them all, we'll be close to answer.

"Alright, so far we've got, "Tiamat spoke it's own name, and began expanding and contracting into a ball material that was always there, meanwhile the Titan Chaos created light via a black hole in another universe while humming a tune for the Valar, who became the first protons; but then Melkor and Ungoliant created Dark Energy by sucking the fundamental forces from Yggdrasil."

We're looking at incorporating Buddhism next, but every time we ask them a question the answer turns out to be a metaphor for our inner struggles."

And then Yggrasil unleashed 3 forces to save itself in the form of the 3 goddesses Farore, din and nayru who forged the original elements of the universe, it's laws and finally created life force on earth, leaving behind the triforce.

I like the way this creation myth is going

[Taoju]

Why don't we just combine all of the scientific and religious theories?

Within every guess, there is a grain of truth, and if we combine them all, we'll be close to answer.

"Alright, so far we've got, "Tiamat spoke it's own name, and began expanding and contracting into a ball material that was always there, meanwhile the Titan Chaos created light via a black hole in another universe while humming a tune for the Valar, who became the first protons; but then Melkor and Ungoliant created Dark Energy by sucking the fundamental forces from Yggdrasil."

We're looking at incorporating Buddhism next, but every time we ask them a question the answer turns out to be a metaphor for our inner struggles."

The Universe being a conglomerate of said inner struggles.

My premise is not on drugs I swear.

[Zarkanians]

"Alright, so far we've got, "Tiamat spoke it's own name, and began expanding and contracting into a ball material that was always there, meanwhile the Titan Chaos created light via a black hole in another universe while humming a tune for the Valar, who became the first protons; but then Melkor and Ungoliant created Dark Energy by sucking the fundamental forces from Yggdrasil."

We're looking at incorporating Buddhism next, but every time we ask them a question the answer turns out to be a metaphor for our inner struggles."

And then Yggrasil unleashed 3 forces to save itself in the form of the 3 goddesses Farore, din and nayru who forged the original elements of the universe, it's laws and finally created life force on earth, leaving behind the triforce.

I like the way this creation myth is going

You've completely left out Morgan Freeman's part in the whole thing, and therefore this creation myth is not worth acknowledging. /_T

[San]

The structure of your arguments and power of reasoning are so poor it makes me throw up. Your main line of argument is "You weren't there" while neither were you. And I like the way you say "Radio carbon dating (C14) doesn't count". Why doesn't it count? That's not an argument, that's just ignoring evidence because it doesn't agree with your ideas. plus the bible actually mentions sumer in multiple contexts, so take that!

Just noting here, it's increasingly likely that you're simply just a troll, if that's the case, would you mind actually contributing to this conversation?

Calling someone a troll is actionable. If you think so, report him in Moderation.

the last time i checked, the trollnaming rule applies to posts that have highly little content other than "lol your a troll lol". New Zreuche's post had actual content aside from that.

[Sun Wukong]

And then Yggrasil unleashed 3 forces to save itself in the form of the 3 goddesses Farore, din and nayru who forged the original elements of the universe, it's laws and finally created life force on earth, leaving behind the triforce.

I like the way this creation myth is going

You've completely left out Morgan Freeman's part in the whole thing, and therefore this creation myth is not worth acknowledging. /_T

That comes later, when he battles Alduin with the power of his voice.

[Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic]

On the first day, there was nothing.

Then, a golden pony declared, "Let shit happen!"

And shit did happen, and this was good.

That is how the Earth came to be.

[Shaggai]

You've completely left out Morgan Freeman's part in the whole thing, and therefore this creation myth is not worth acknowledging. /_T

That comes later, when he battles Alduin with the power of his voice.

And then I possess Alduin and literally everything explodes (because Nyarlathotep+Alduin vs. Morgan Freeman is too awesome for the universe to sustain), becoming the Big Bang. Obviously. I mean, if you're not going to have malevolent chaos gods possessing world-consuming dragons, what's your creation myth worth anyway?

[Sun Wukong]

That comes later, when he battles Alduin with the power of his voice.

And then I possess Alduin and literally everything explodes (because Nyarlathotep+Alduin vs. Morgan Freeman is too awesome for the universe to sustain), becoming the Big Bang. Obviously. I mean, if you're not going to have malevolent chaos gods possessing world-consuming dragons, what's your creation myth worth anyway?

Hmm...

Needs more Monkey.

[Shaggai]

And then I possess Alduin and literally everything explodes (because Nyarlathotep+Alduin vs. Morgan Freeman is too awesome for the universe to sustain), becoming the Big Bang. Obviously. I mean, if you're not going to have malevolent chaos gods possessing world-consuming dragons, what's your creation myth worth anyway?

Hmm...

Needs more Monkey.

Also Hanuman is fighting alongside Morgan Freeman. That good enough?

[Sun Wukong]

Hmm...

Needs more Monkey.

Also Hanuman is fighting alongside Morgan Freeman. That good enough?

Sure.

I'm big in India.

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

Not a problem, it only means that the universe is inherently non-nonsensical.

Either you have the "egg with no chicken" scenario, or you have the "ever present chicken" scenario of energy that was always present.

Either way, cause and effect goes up in flames, yet these are the only possible answers, that all is based on the impossible.

consider if cause and effect can be caused, or if time can start at some point.
your trying to figure out the universe with a brain built to avoid lions in grass, that's why we use testing and math.

I'm fine with the idea that cause and effect is bullshit anyway, or that the universe is at some threshold literally inconceivable.

[The Type II Gods]

How did the Universe come to be?

No one knows, but the Big Bang was likely to have played some role in the Universe's expansion.

That was easy.

[Ozzy]

I like how the poll is expecting me to provide a straightforward answer as if I really know the question. It is called a theory for a reason, no one really knows what was created from nothingness.

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

I like how the poll is expecting me to provide a straightforward answer as if I really know the question. It is called a theory for a reason, no one really knows what was created from nothingness.

Its an online forum, no one expects you to know anything.