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How did the Universe come to be?

1.) The Big Bang
274
58%
2.) A Universal God
104
22%
3.) everything formed on it's own
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2%
4.) everything was already here and has always been
24
5%
5.) other: your own theory if you have one that isn't listed
58
12%
 
Total votes : 469

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The Solar System Scope
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Postby The Solar System Scope » Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:54 am

The Solar System Scope wrote:
Conscentia wrote:We've only existed as a species for about 200,000 years. Most of our progress has been made in the last 10,000 years. Most of that progress happened in the last 500 years. If usable FTL is possible, I have no doubt it'll be achieved within the next 500 years provided we don't obliterate our species before then.

http://io9.com/5963263/how-nasa-will-build-its-very-first-warp-drive

Correction: our species exist for a little less than 7 000 years.

Sorry, I meant a little more than 6 000. The first man was created at the year -4026.
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Postby Utceforp » Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:55 am

The Solar System Scope wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:Correction: our species exist for a little less than 7 000 years.

Sorry, I meant a little more than 6 000. The first man was created at the year -4026.

Source? Other than a single outdated, biased, unscientific book?
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Postby The Solar System Scope » Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:00 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:Correction: our species exist for a little more than 6 000 years.


A curious assertion, given that there are human artifacts easily 3 or 4 times that age. What species were we when we created those, and what marks the point where we stopped being that species and started being this one?

We always were human. We never were anything else. Humans will always exist on planet Earth. Nothing ever evolved into another species because there is no evidence that such thing happened. All the 200 million large and the billions small fossils show that all the species came up suddenly and remained practically unchanged. Some of these were gone as sudden they appeared.
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Postby The Solar System Scope » Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:01 pm

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Utceforp wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:Sorry, I meant a little more than 6 000. The first man was created at the year -4026.

Source? Other than a single outdated, biased, unscientific book?

Calculations made from the numbers contained in the Bible.
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Postby Utceforp » Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:02 pm

The Solar System Scope wrote:[proposal=][/proposal]
Utceforp wrote:Source? Other than a single outdated, biased, unscientific book?

Calculations made from the numbers contained in the Bible.

I said other than the bible.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:03 pm

The Solar System Scope wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:Correction: our species exist for a little less than 7 000 years.

Sorry, I meant a little more than 6 000. The first man was created at the year -4026.


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Postby Philosophii » Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:04 pm

I mean, Sumerians have books that existed for longer than our species existed. They also didn't record the great flood, yet somehow survived through it.

Weird.

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Postby The Solar System Scope » Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:08 pm

Philosophii wrote:I mean, Sumerians have books that existed for longer than our species existed. They also didn't record the great flood, yet somehow survived through it.

Weird.

How do you know when these stuff existed? There aren't any historicers that wrote down when they existed. You weren't there, smartypants. Your scrapy C14 doesn't count.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:10 pm

Philosophii wrote:I mean, Sumerians have books that existed for longer than our species existed. They also didn't record the great flood, yet somehow survived through it.

Weird.

What? And the Black-Headed People did have a flood myth, you know.
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Postby Utceforp » Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:15 pm

The Solar System Scope wrote:
Philosophii wrote:I mean, Sumerians have books that existed for longer than our species existed. They also didn't record the great flood, yet somehow survived through it.

Weird.

How do you know when these stuff existed? There aren't any historicers that wrote down when they existed. You weren't there, smartypants. Your scrapy C14 doesn't count.

Ancient Sumerian texts are about as credible as the Bible.
Signatures are so 2014.

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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:16 pm

Utceforp wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:How do you know when these stuff existed? There aren't any historicers that wrote down when they existed. You weren't there, smartypants. Your scrapy C14 doesn't count.

Ancient Sumerian texts are about as credible as the Bible.

More, since they're older. Old things are always more reliable. That's why I am always right. ;)
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Postby Sensorland » Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:19 pm

God caused the Big Bang to happen, and evolution, and everything else. Yes, science is real.
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Postby Immoren » Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:19 pm

The Solar System Scope wrote:
Philosophii wrote:I mean, Sumerians have books that existed for longer than our species existed. They also didn't record the great flood, yet somehow survived through it.

Weird.

How do you know when these stuff existed? There aren't any historicers that wrote down when they existed. You weren't there, smartypants. Your scrapy C14 doesn't count.

"Historicer" sounds like person tasked with fabricating history.

Farnhamia wrote:
Utceforp wrote:Ancient Sumerian texts are about as credible as the Bible.

More, since they're older. Old things are always more reliable. That's why I am always right. ;)


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Postby New Zreuche » Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:21 pm

The Solar System Scope wrote:
Philosophii wrote:I mean, Sumerians have books that existed for longer than our species existed. They also didn't record the great flood, yet somehow survived through it.

Weird.

How do you know when these stuff existed? There aren't any historicers that wrote down when they existed. You weren't there, smartypants. Your scrapy C14 doesn't count.

The structure of your arguments and power of reasoning are so poor it makes me throw up. Your main line of argument is "You weren't there" while neither were you. And I like the way you say "Radio carbon dating (C14) doesn't count". Why doesn't it count? That's not an argument, that's just ignoring evidence because it doesn't agree with your ideas. plus the bible actually mentions sumer in multiple contexts, so take that!

Just noting here, it's increasingly likely that you're simply just a troll, if that's the case, would you mind actually contributing to this conversation?

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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:24 pm

New Zreuche wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:How do you know when these stuff existed? There aren't any historicers that wrote down when they existed. You weren't there, smartypants. Your scrapy C14 doesn't count.

The structure of your arguments and power of reasoning are so poor it makes me throw up. Your main line of argument is "You weren't there" while neither were you. And I like the way you say "Radio carbon dating (C14) doesn't count". Why doesn't it count? That's not an argument, that's just ignoring evidence because it doesn't agree with your ideas. plus the bible actually mentions sumer in multiple contexts, so take that!

Just noting here, it's increasingly likely that you're simply just a troll, if that's the case, would you mind actually contributing to this conversation?

Calling someone a troll is actionable. If you think so, report him in Moderation.
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Postby Great Nepal » Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:27 pm

Sensorland wrote:God caused the Big Bang to happen, and evolution, and everything else. Yes, science is real.

If God caused evolution despite being omnipotent, then that is the most malevolent action and new level of jackassery.
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:29 pm

The Solar System Scope wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:Correction: our species exist for a little less than 7 000 years.

Sorry, I meant a little more than 6 000. The first man was created at the year -4026.

How many people were alive around 2700 BC and 2560 BC?
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Postby New Zreuche » Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:30 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
New Zreuche wrote:The structure of your arguments and power of reasoning are so poor it makes me throw up. Your main line of argument is "You weren't there" while neither were you. And I like the way you say "Radio carbon dating (C14) doesn't count". Why doesn't it count? That's not an argument, that's just ignoring evidence because it doesn't agree with your ideas. plus the bible actually mentions sumer in multiple contexts, so take that!

Just noting here, it's increasingly likely that you're simply just a troll, if that's the case, would you mind actually contributing to this conversation?

Calling someone a troll is actionable. If you think so, report him in Moderation.

Well, multiple others have stated previously their belief that he is a troll, and indeed he's apparently just throwing in random, nonsensical lines of thought. Also his nation is littered with fact books that concern proven facts and statistics about the solar system and the universe. Considering his apparent ignorance of the subject and "creationism", this suggests that indeed he is just trolling as he would in fact be against creationism due to the facts that he apparently has posted.

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Postby New Zreuche » Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:32 pm

European Socialist Republic wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:Sorry, I meant a little more than 6 000. The first man was created at the year -4026.

How many people were alive around 2700 BC?

Not many, probably no more than 100 million

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Postby The Mataniya Islands » Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:34 pm

God abruptly broke wind and the universe came to be.

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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:36 pm

New Zreuche wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Calling someone a troll is actionable. If you think so, report him in Moderation.

Well, multiple others have stated previously their belief that he is a troll, and indeed he's apparently just throwing in random, nonsensical lines of thought. Also his nation is littered with fact books that concern proven facts and statistics about the solar system and the universe. Considering his apparent ignorance of the subject and "creationism", this suggests that indeed he is just trolling as he would in fact be against creationism due to the facts that he apparently has posted.

"Several other people have called him a troll" is not a defense. If you think so, put together evidence and report him. And he was admonished for coming close. His posts are annoying but not quite actionable. Again, if you find one, please report it.
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Postby Mistelemr » Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:37 pm

How did the universe form?

It didn't.
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Postby New Zreuche » Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:39 pm

Mistelemr wrote:How did the universe form?

It didn't.

?

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Postby The Mataniya Islands » Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:42 pm

New Zreuche wrote:
Mistelemr wrote:How did the universe form?

It didn't.

?

I think he means the Universe was never formed, it just always existed. Considering that is one of the given options in the poll I don't see why his post should be something of confusion to you. :blink:

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Postby New Zreuche » Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:43 pm

The Mataniya Islands wrote:
New Zreuche wrote:?

I think he means the Universe was never formed, it just always existed. Considering that is one of the given options in the poll I don't see why his post should be something of confusion to you. :blink:


He just didn't put forward any evidence or reasoning, that's all :p

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