How did the Universe come to be?

[Dukats]

[Kratu]

That doesn't answer the question unless God is an asexual being undergoing meiosis.

That's an interesting point. But indeed, why would God have sexual characteristics? We know that He created Man in His image. And that He is our Holy Father, but while He may resemble a human male, He could for all intents and purposes be an asexual being.

But strictly speaking there is only One God, although one could argue that Jesus was His clone created through meiosis.

Wrong, it's Satan's fault, he will be out of sight soon after God end this.

Indeed! Good job! Your response hits the mark.

But If God planned everything and created everything then that also mean's that Satan's creation is his fault. In addition I wouldn't trust a God who gets mad if people some people stop worshiping him so he kill's every living thing except for two of all of the animals. And What happened to plants anyway?

[European Socialist Republic]

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Wrong, it's Satan's fault, he will be out of sight soon after God end this.

So God allows Satan to do evil things? Sounds like a shitty God to me...

[Seperates]

Really? All religions have the same morals and principles? Or all religions have a code of morals and principles?

As well, are you sure that every religion has us being a part of that greater power? And what does it mean to be a part of that greater power?

Your enthusiasm to prove me wrong is making me interested.
Greater power stands for God(s). In reality there is no being or beings that represent God(s). God is everything, the infinity, life itself. Without it(and i use it instead of him/her intentionally) nothing woudl exist, as it is everything. Everything working in perfect balance. Chaos and order, good and evil existing in full harmony.
And yes, all religions abide the basic rules. Be a good person, do not cheat those around you, do not do to others that which you would not do to yourself...etc etc. I can go on forever but there is no point. Even mythologies are greatly similar, but the mythologies are, nevertheless, just details of a religion.

I'm not trying to prove you wrong. It's more that in my experience with this sort of thing, when one says that all religions are essentially the same, then what that means is that one hasn't taken the time to understand the specifics of different religions and the reasoning behind why they are different, nor appreciating much of the diversity within their beliefs and practices.

You seem to have the idea that all religions are theologically like Eastern religions. This is simply not true. In many spiritualistic religions (including medieval-era Christianity), good and evil are not existing in harmony, but actively fighting each other, with the mortal world being the ground on which they spar. Many of these religions look to a time when good conquers evil. As well, theologically Judaism holds that God is God. A tree is not God. A man is not God. Life is not God. God is God. I could also go on forever, mentioning the Greek, Norse, and Roman pantheonic Gods and their relationship with good and evil, but I need to move on.

Ah, they all say to be a good person, but how does one be a good person? And do not cheat those around you? I can recall 3 Old Testament stories off the top of my head where the protagonist won because he was clever and cheated the person who had more power and authority. As well, what of attitudes towards sex? Take the Catholic Church's view on sex and compare it to the ancient Indian or Grecian bacchanalian view on sex? These details are extremely important to how a religion develops and views the world from a theological perspective, and they shouldn't be ignored simply because it makes things simpler.

[Grave_n_idle]

Whoever gives me the history of the Universe from creation to now will get a telescope.

Why would anyone bother to create you a guide to the existence of the universe so far - when such things already exist within the scope of anyone's google-skills that cares to look - for a telescope?

[Seperates]

God.

Everything needed a creator.

Now one may ask: Who Created God?

Answer: God.

Why? He is omnipotent. God "created" himself and made himself a deity the moment he created the universe and humanity.

Go read Creation Science or visit the Creationist Museum if you're still confused.

Remember, Observational Science and Historical Science are two different things!

I was always under the impression that historical science and observational science were the same thing, being an archaeology major and everything.

[Great Kleomentia]

Your enthusiasm to prove me wrong is making me interested.
Greater power stands for God(s). In reality there is no being or beings that represent God(s). God is everything, the infinity, life itself. Without it(and i use it instead of him/her intentionally) nothing woudl exist, as it is everything. Everything working in perfect balance. Chaos and order, good and evil existing in full harmony.
And yes, all religions abide the basic rules. Be a good person, do not cheat those around you, do not do to others that which you would not do to yourself...etc etc. I can go on forever but there is no point. Even mythologies are greatly similar, but the mythologies are, nevertheless, just details of a religion.

I'm not trying to prove you wrong. It's more that in my experience with this sort of thing, when one says that all religions are essentially the same, then what that means is that one hasn't taken the time to understand the specifics of different religions and the reasoning behind why they are different, nor appreciating much of the diversity within their beliefs and practices.

You seem to have the idea that all religions are theologically like Eastern religions. This is simply not true. In many spiritualistic religions (including medieval-era Christianity), good and evil are not existing in harmony, but actively fighting each other, with the mortal world being the ground on which they spar. Many of these religions look to a time when good conquers evil. As well, theologically Judaism holds that God is God. A tree is not God. A man is not God. Life is not God. God is God. I could also go on forever, mentioning the Greek, Norse, and Roman pantheonic Gods and their relationship with good and evil, but I need to move on.

Ah, they all say to be a good person, but how does one be a good person? And do not cheat those around you? I can recall 3 Old Testament stories off the top of my head where the protagonist won because he was clever and cheated the person who had more power and authority. As well, what of attitudes towards sex? Take the Catholic Church's view on sex and compare it to the ancient Indian or Grecian bacchanalian view on sex? These details are extremely important to how a religion develops and views the world from a theological perspective, and they shouldn't be ignored simply because it makes things simpler.

I see your dilemma. Well harmony isnt necessarily innocent. Harmony means that its in balance. With the existing of fighting between good and evil, balance is in existance. The natural balance. Life and death. The fact that people die or suffer doesnt mean that god doesnt exist, it means that things are balanced.
I am not god, my cat is not god, my tree is not god and my computer is not god. But existance is god. Everything, not just material things but energy as well, put together into perfect eternal balance is god. This is perfection. This is god. Individual things can not be perfect because we, together, make perfection.
What religious organization say or order us to do. The books that they write and the silly rules they add(thou shall not lay with a man as thou would lay with a woman) have nothing to do with god. It is pure politics. Religion has been used through centuries(if not millenias) to control people. This is, in my opinion, abuse of religion.

[Conscentia]

Wrong, it's Satan's fault, he will be out of sight soon after God end this.

So God allows Satan to do evil things? Sounds like a shitty God to me...

According to the Book of Job, it's a test. Those with comfortable lives have no reason to question God.

[Seperates]

I'm not trying to prove you wrong. It's more that in my experience with this sort of thing, when one says that all religions are essentially the same, then what that means is that one hasn't taken the time to understand the specifics of different religions and the reasoning behind why they are different, nor appreciating much of the diversity within their beliefs and practices.

You seem to have the idea that all religions are theologically like Eastern religions. This is simply not true. In many spiritualistic religions (including medieval-era Christianity), good and evil are not existing in harmony, but actively fighting each other, with the mortal world being the ground on which they spar. Many of these religions look to a time when good conquers evil. As well, theologically Judaism holds that God is God. A tree is not God. A man is not God. Life is not God. God is God. I could also go on forever, mentioning the Greek, Norse, and Roman pantheonic Gods and their relationship with good and evil, but I need to move on.

Ah, they all say to be a good person, but how does one be a good person? And do not cheat those around you? I can recall 3 Old Testament stories off the top of my head where the protagonist won because he was clever and cheated the person who had more power and authority. As well, what of attitudes towards sex? Take the Catholic Church's view on sex and compare it to the ancient Indian or Grecian bacchanalian view on sex? These details are extremely important to how a religion develops and views the world from a theological perspective, and they shouldn't be ignored simply because it makes things simpler.

I see your dilemma. Well harmony isnt necessarily innocent. Harmony means that its in balance. With the existing of fighting between good and evil, balance is in existance. The natural balance. Life and death. The fact that people die or suffer doesnt mean that god doesnt exist, it means that things are balanced.
I am not god, my cat is not god, my tree is not god and my computer is not god. But existance is god. Everything, not just material things but energy as well, put together into perfect eternal balance is god. This is perfection. This is god. Individual things can not be perfect because we, together, make perfection.
What religious organization say or order us to do. The books that they write and the silly rules they add(thou shall not lay with a man as thou would lay with a woman) have nothing to do with god. It is pure politics. Religion has been used through centuries(if not millenias) to control people. This is, in my opinion, abuse of religion.

I am not in a dilemma. This is not a self-examination of some personal spiritual crisis for which I am having. I am showing you that your assumption that all religions are essentially the same is an incorrect and foolhardy one. While you have the personal belief that death means that everything is in balance, there are others who believe that death proves that we are related to the two humans coming out of the Garden of Eden and is thus a sign of our original sin. And they are just as correct as you are, because you are both making assumptions. And as I said before, many of these religions look towards a time when the conflict will end, thus not wanting good/evil harmony, but complete elimination of evil. And this is a major difference in theological thought.

You say that, but that is not the strain of theology within Judaic thought. God is not everything. God is God. For you to say that everything is God/perfection would be absurd to their theologians. They would say 'Just because God made everything, does not mean that God is everything. Just because you created a table does not mean that that table is a part of you. Just because you create a child does not mean that you are the child.' And their logic would be just as sound as yours.

Then that is your opinion, but not the reality within multiple strands of religious thought. It is not abuse of religion, it is religion. Simply because you believe in pantheism does not give you the intellectual fortitude to outright proclaim that all religions are the same and that they have abused the concept.

[European Socialist Republic]

So God allows Satan to do evil things? Sounds like a shitty God to me...

According to the Book of Job, it's a test. Those with comfortable lives have no reason to question God.

Why does God need to test someone? He's omniscient! He already knows what the result of his "test" would be.

[Great Kleomentia]

I see your dilemma. Well harmony isnt necessarily innocent. Harmony means that its in balance. With the existing of fighting between good and evil, balance is in existance. The natural balance. Life and death. The fact that people die or suffer doesnt mean that god doesnt exist, it means that things are balanced.
I am not god, my cat is not god, my tree is not god and my computer is not god. But existance is god. Everything, not just material things but energy as well, put together into perfect eternal balance is god. This is perfection. This is god. Individual things can not be perfect because we, together, make perfection.
What religious organization say or order us to do. The books that they write and the silly rules they add(thou shall not lay with a man as thou would lay with a woman) have nothing to do with god. It is pure politics. Religion has been used through centuries(if not millenias) to control people. This is, in my opinion, abuse of religion.

I am not in a dilemma. This is not a self-examination of some personal spiritual crisis for which I am having. I am showing you that your assumption that all religions are essentially the same is an incorrect and foolhardy one. While you have the personal belief that death means that everything is in balance, there are others who believe that death proves that we are related to the two humans coming out of the Garden of Eden and is thus a sign of our original sin. And they are just as correct as you are, because you are both making assumptions. And as I said before, many of these religions look towards a time when the conflict will end, thus not wanting good/evil harmony, but complete elimination of evil. And this is a major difference in theological thought.

You say that, but that is not the strain of theology within Judaic thought. God is not everything. God is God. For you to say that everything is God/perfection would be absurd to their theologians. They would say 'Just because God made everything, does not mean that God is everything. Just because you created a table does not mean that that table is a part of you. Just because you create a child does not mean that you are the child.' And their logic would be just as sound as yours.

Then that is your opinion, but not the reality within multiple strands of religious thought. It is not abuse of religion, it is religion. Simply because you believe in pantheism does not give you the intellectual fortitude to outright proclaim that all religions are the same and that they have abused the concept.

I never said you were in a spiritua crisis. I said i saw your dilemma in understanding my phylosophy. And this is obviously the end of this debate. As the two of us are pretty much hitting the same wall as we continue. We disagree with each other and theres nothing the other one can or maybe even wants to do about it. I believe we both make good points and perhaps both of us are correct. But still we have, somewhat, gotten off topic.

[Seperates]

I am not in a dilemma. This is not a self-examination of some personal spiritual crisis for which I am having. I am showing you that your assumption that all religions are essentially the same is an incorrect and foolhardy one. While you have the personal belief that death means that everything is in balance, there are others who believe that death proves that we are related to the two humans coming out of the Garden of Eden and is thus a sign of our original sin. And they are just as correct as you are, because you are both making assumptions. And as I said before, many of these religions look towards a time when the conflict will end, thus not wanting good/evil harmony, but complete elimination of evil. And this is a major difference in theological thought.

You say that, but that is not the strain of theology within Judaic thought. God is not everything. God is God. For you to say that everything is God/perfection would be absurd to their theologians. They would say 'Just because God made everything, does not mean that God is everything. Just because you created a table does not mean that that table is a part of you. Just because you create a child does not mean that you are the child.' And their logic would be just as sound as yours.

Then that is your opinion, but not the reality within multiple strands of religious thought. It is not abuse of religion, it is religion. Simply because you believe in pantheism does not give you the intellectual fortitude to outright proclaim that all religions are the same and that they have abused the concept.

I never said you were in a spiritua crisis. I said i saw your dilemma in understanding my phylosophy. And this is obviously the end of this debate. As the two of us are pretty much hitting the same wall as we continue. We disagree with each other and theres nothing the other one can or maybe even wants to do about it. I believe we both make good points and perhaps both of us are correct. But still we have, somewhat, gotten off topic.

It's not a matter of understanding your philosophy. It was a matter of understanding the logic behind the statement that "All religions are essentially the same." If your philosophy says that and holds that as a fundamental part of it's beliefs, then you may need to re-examine it, because it is demonstrably not true with just a cursory knowledge of theological thought.

[Conscentia]

According to the Book of Job, it's a test. Those with comfortable lives have no reason to question God.

Why does God need to test someone? He's omniscient! He already knows what the result of his "test" would be.

Plothole.

[Benuty]

Why does God need to test someone? He's omniscient! He already knows what the result of his "test" would be.

Plothole.

A rather odd word to describe the situation.

[Kratu]

Why does God need to test someone? He's omniscient! He already knows what the result of his "test" would be.

Plothole.

Exactly If he has already planned everything thats going to happen then why does he need a test?

[Great Kleomentia]

I never said you were in a spiritua crisis. I said i saw your dilemma in understanding my phylosophy. And this is obviously the end of this debate. As the two of us are pretty much hitting the same wall as we continue. We disagree with each other and theres nothing the other one can or maybe even wants to do about it. I believe we both make good points and perhaps both of us are correct. But still we have, somewhat, gotten off topic.

It's not a matter of understanding your philosophy. It was a matter of understanding the logic behind the statement that "All religions are essentially the same." If your philosophy says that and holds that as a fundamental part of it's beliefs, then you may need to re-examine it, because it is demonstrably not true with just a cursory knowledge of theological thought.

It holds it as a part. The fundamentality of it is relative. My phylosophy doesnt depend on all religions being the same and obeying the same concept, it just suggests it.

[Imperializt Russia]

Because God created the Universe and he didn't need any Big Bang to create it. It wouldn't have any possibility to create life on Earth anyway.

Objectively incorrect for a multitude of reasons many of which I've yet to be taught in the Physics of Life module.

[Seperates]

It's not a matter of understanding your philosophy. It was a matter of understanding the logic behind the statement that "All religions are essentially the same." If your philosophy says that and holds that as a fundamental part of it's beliefs, then you may need to re-examine it, because it is demonstrably not true with just a cursory knowledge of theological thought.

It holds it as a part. The fundamentality of it is relative. My phylosophy doesnt depend on all religions being the same and obeying the same concept, it just suggests it.

Then it is a false suggestion. Nevertheless, all the rest of your theological thought was sound (as any other theological thought, that is to say, assumed).

[Great Kleomentia]

It holds it as a part. The fundamentality of it is relative. My phylosophy doesnt depend on all religions being the same and obeying the same concept, it just suggests it.

Then it is a false suggestion. Nevertheless, all the rest of your theological thought was sound (as any other theological thought, that is to say, assumed).

I think thats the closest thing i have gotten to a compliment in a debate concerning creation and religion.

[Imperializt Russia]

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Somehow, I don't think this is meant to say "a ninny".

[Dukats]

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[Imperializt Russia]

Picspam is bad and you should feel bad.

The sentiment of that image is also so bizarre I can only assume that, regardless of your reason for using it, can't have been created for a serious context.

[Philosophii]

So.. wait.

Are you seriously posting pics that atheists on 4chan used to fuck with other atheists on 4chan?

[Britanno]

The Big Bang, I still believe in a God though.

[Dukats]

Time to go to bed but one question atheists.How did the big ban happen? Did it JUST HAPPEN (uhmmm...sound familiar) and also dont ask who created god because god wasnt created and he is timeless and unaffected by our time and dont seek material evidence of gods existence because he is spiritual. And all the evil of this world is made by satan and god tests us because he gave us FREE WILL. Pray and the world will be a better place.

PS: Sorry for the picture spam I had another one to post but...