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How did the Universe come to be?

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How did the Universe come to be?

1.) The Big Bang
274
58%
2.) A Universal God
104
22%
3.) everything formed on it's own
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2%
4.) everything was already here and has always been
24
5%
5.) other: your own theory if you have one that isn't listed
58
12%
 
Total votes : 469

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Postby The Solar System Scope » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:37 pm

God always existed, still exist, and will always exist.
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Postby Seperates » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:38 pm

The Solar System Scope wrote:God always existed, still exist, and will always exist.

You are aware that this is an out-of-character forum?

Which God?
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

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Postby Kratu » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:40 pm

The Solar System Scope wrote:God always existed, still exist, and will always exist.

Then could the universe have always existed such as in the Universe goes through an infinite cycles of Big Bangs?
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:40 pm

The Solar System Scope wrote:God always existed, still exist, and will always exist.

Proof?
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Postby Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:42 pm

The Solar System Scope wrote:God always existed, still exist, and will always exist.

You are very creative!
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Postby Great Kleomentia » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:42 pm

Seperates wrote:
Great Kleomentia wrote:The code of principles and morals that religion commands. And that there is a greater power controling everything and that we are part of that greater power. Phylosophy can discuss religion into infinity, but this is the basic concept.

Really? All religions have the same morals and principles? Or all religions have a code of morals and principles?

As well, are you sure that every religion has us being a part of that greater power? And what does it mean to be a part of that greater power?

Your enthusiasm to prove me wrong is making me interested.
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And yes, all religions abide the basic rules. Be a good person, do not cheat those around you, do not do to others that which you would not do to yourself...etc etc. I can go on forever but there is no point. Even mythologies are greatly similar, but the mythologies are, nevertheless, just details of a religion.
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Postby Kratu » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:44 pm

European Socialist Republic wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:God always existed, still exist, and will always exist.

Proof?

Obviously a book is proof. Just like this mean's Hitler and Aliens met and procreated built flying saucers.

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So simple.

Postby United Christian America » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:46 pm

God.

Everything needed a creator.

Now one may ask: Who Created God?

Answer: God.

Why? He is omnipotent. God "created" himself and made himself a deity the moment he created the universe and humanity.

Go read Creation Science or visit the Creationist Museum if you're still confused.

Remember, Observational Science and Historical Science are two different things!
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Postby Dukats » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:46 pm

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Postby Kratu » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:47 pm

United Christian America wrote:God.

Everything needed a creator.

Now one may ask: Who Created God?

Answer: God.

Why? He is omnipotent. God "created" himself and made himself a deity the moment he created the universe and humanity.

Go read Creation Science or visit the Creationist Museum if you're still confused.

Remember, Observational Science and Historical Science are two different things!


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Postby Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:47 pm

United Christian America wrote:God.

Everything needed a creator.

Now one may ask: Who Created God?

Answer: God.

Why? He is omnipotent. God "created" himself and made himself a deity the moment he created the universe and humanity.

Go read Creation Science or visit the Creationist Museum if you're still confused.

Remember, Observational Science and Historical Science are two different things!

That doesn't answer the question unless God is an asexual being undergoing meiosis.
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Postby Great Kleomentia » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:47 pm

United Christian America wrote:God.

Everything needed a creator.

Now one may ask: Who Created God?

Answer: God.

Why? He is omnipotent. God "created" himself and made himself a deity the moment he created the universe and humanity.

Go read Creation Science or visit the Creationist Museum if you're still confused.

Remember, Observational Science and Historical Science are two different things!

Or, to try and add logic, we could say that there was no real beginning. Time itself is relative and man has created it. Not literally created it, but we are the ones that perceive it thus it is relative. Time doesnt have to exist in the term that there is a beginning and a ending to everything. Its just space flowing in etirnity.
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Postby Dukats » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:49 pm

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Postby The Solar System Scope » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:50 pm

Kratu wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:God always existed, still exist, and will always exist.

Then could the universe have always existed such as in the Universe goes through an infinite cycles of Big Bangs?

Uhm, no, Jesus was the first one who was created, then the angels, then the Universe.
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Postby Great Kleomentia » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:51 pm

Dukats wrote:(Image)

This meme has becaomed overused.
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Postby Kratu » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:52 pm

Great Kleomentia wrote:
Dukats wrote:(Image)

This meme has becaomed overused.

In My Time's on the Forum's I have not used that meme but once and it was when we had an Evolution RP and Alien's started to get involved.
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Postby Philosophii » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:52 pm

The Solar System Scope wrote:
Kratu wrote:Then could the universe have always existed such as in the Universe goes through an infinite cycles of Big Bangs?

Uhm, no, Jesus was the first one who was created, then the angels, then the Universe.


so you mean thousands of years of human history, the rise of the Roman Empire, the oppression of Judea, and the wave of unrest through the Roman Empire were already happening before the Universe was created?

Shit son.

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Postby The Solar System Scope » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:53 pm

Kratu wrote:
United Christian America wrote:God.

Everything needed a creator.

Now one may ask: Who Created God?

Answer: God.

Why? He is omnipotent. God "created" himself and made himself a deity the moment he created the universe and humanity.

Go read Creation Science or visit the Creationist Museum if you're still confused.

Remember, Observational Science and Historical Science are two different things!


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Wrong, it's Satan's fault, he will be out of sight soon after God end this.
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Postby Kratu » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:53 pm

Philosophii wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:Uhm, no, Jesus was the first one who was created, then the angels, then the Universe.


so you mean thousands of years of human history, the rise of the Roman Empire, the oppression of Judea, and the wave of unrest through the Roman Empire were already happening before the Universe was created?

Shit son.


Yes it all happened in the COSMIC EGG!
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Postby Great Kleomentia » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:53 pm

Kratu wrote:
Great Kleomentia wrote:This meme has becaomed overused.

In My Time's on the Forum's I have not used that meme but once and it was when we had an Evolution RP and Alien's started to get involved.

Who said anything about this forum?
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Postby Philosophii » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:54 pm

Kratu wrote:
Philosophii wrote:
so you mean thousands of years of human history, the rise of the Roman Empire, the oppression of Judea, and the wave of unrest through the Roman Empire were already happening before the Universe was created?

Shit son.


Yes it all happened in the COSMIC EGG!


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Postby United Christian America » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:55 pm

Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic wrote:
United Christian America wrote:God.

Everything needed a creator.

Now one may ask: Who Created God?

Answer: God.

Why? He is omnipotent. God "created" himself and made himself a deity the moment he created the universe and humanity.

Go read Creation Science or visit the Creationist Museum if you're still confused.

Remember, Observational Science and Historical Science are two different things!

That doesn't answer the question unless God is an asexual being undergoing meiosis.


That's an interesting point. But indeed, why would God have sexual characteristics? We know that He created Man in His image. And that He is our Holy Father, but while He may resemble a human male, He could for all intents and purposes be an asexual being.

But strictly speaking there is only One God, although one could argue that Jesus was His clone created through meiosis.

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Kratu wrote:
(Image)

Wrong, it's Satan's fault, he will be out of sight soon after God end this.


Indeed! Good job! Your response hits the mark.
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Postby Kratu » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:55 pm

Great Kleomentia wrote:
Kratu wrote:In My Time's on the Forum's I have not used that meme but once and it was when we had an Evolution RP and Alien's started to get involved.

Who said anything about this forum?

True all over the Net it has become used not just the Nationstates forums. :)
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Postby Great Kleomentia » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:57 pm

Kratu wrote:
Great Kleomentia wrote:Who said anything about this forum?

True all over the Net it has become used not just the Nationstates forums. :)

Such is the life cycle of a meme.
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