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How did the Universe come to be?

1.) The Big Bang
274
58%
2.) A Universal God
104
22%
3.) everything formed on it's own
9
2%
4.) everything was already here and has always been
24
5%
5.) other: your own theory if you have one that isn't listed
58
12%
 
Total votes : 469

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The Solar System Scope
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Postby The Solar System Scope » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:18 pm

Seperates wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:What "irrelevant"? For a theory to stand, it must have an explanation for EVERYTHING!!! If Big Bang didn't have an explanation on how it started, it isn't a proper theory.

You don't understand how science works then.

No, YOU don't know how science work. None of our astronomers believe in Big Bang cause its a rubbish, garbage, litter, scrapy theory.
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:20 pm

The Solar System Scope wrote:
Seperates wrote:You don't understand how science works then.

No, YOU don't know how science work. None of our astronomers believe in Big Bang cause its a rubbish, garbage, litter, scrapy theory.

Source? Because if someone could disprove the Big Bang Theory, they would've already earned a Nobel Prize for that.
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Postby Seperates » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:20 pm

The Solar System Scope wrote:
Seperates wrote:You don't understand how science works then.

No, YOU don't know how science work. None of our astronomers believe in Big Bang cause its a rubbish, garbage, litter, scrapy theory.

Brilliant comeback.

Tell me. Who is 'our'?

And why exactly is it a 'rubbish, garbage, litter, scrapy (that's not a word by the way) theory'?
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Postby Great Kleomentia » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:22 pm

Sociobiology wrote:(Image)

Details of a religion are irrelevant. Whats relevant is the concept, and the concept remains the same in all religions. All of the principles are almost identycal in all religions. Wether the patron is a eagle or a bearded guy is irrelevant.
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Postby Dukats » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:22 pm

:bow: Morgan Freeman created the universe and you can't argue with that :bow:

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Postby The Solar System Scope » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:23 pm

Because God created the Universe and he didn't need any Big Bang to create it. It wouldn't have any possibility to create life on Earth anyway.
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Postby Seperates » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:23 pm

Great Kleomentia wrote:
Sociobiology wrote:(Image)

Details of a religion are irrelevant. Whats relevant is the concept, and the concept remains the same in all religions. All of the principles are almost identycal in all religions. Wether the patron is a eagle or a bearded guy is irrelevant.

What is the concept?
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

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Postby Kratu » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:24 pm

Dukats wrote::bow: Morgan Freeman created the universe and you can't argue with that :bow:


NAY!

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Postby Seperates » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:24 pm

The Solar System Scope wrote:Because God created the Universe and he didn't need any Big Bang to create it. It wouldn't have any possibility to create life on Earth anyway.

Is this in answer to me?

Because you didn't answer my questions.

Who is 'our'?

And why do they believe that the theory is incorrect?
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Postby Dukats » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:26 pm

Kratu wrote:
Dukats wrote::bow: Morgan Freeman created the universe and you can't argue with that :bow:


NAY!

Image


NOOOOOO!!!!! :o

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Postby The Solar System Scope » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:26 pm

Seperates wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:Because God created the Universe and he didn't need any Big Bang to create it. It wouldn't have any possibility to create life on Earth anyway.

Is this in answer to me?

Because you didn't answer my questions.

Who is 'our'?

And why do they believe that the theory is incorrect?

Our are the Scopian astronomers.
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Postby Imperial Arcand » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:27 pm

Image


. . . I'm guessing I'm a tad late getting to the party? ^
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Postby Seperates » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:28 pm

The Solar System Scope wrote:
Seperates wrote:Is this in answer to me?

Because you didn't answer my questions.

Who is 'our'?

And why do they believe that the theory is incorrect?

Our are the Scopian astronomers.

You do realize that this is an Out-of-Character forum, correct?

Unless you are using something of a royal 'we'.
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Postby Conscentia » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:28 pm

The Solar System Scope wrote:
Seperates wrote:Is this in answer to me?
Because you didn't answer my questions.
Who is 'our'?
And why do they believe that the theory is incorrect?

Our are the Scopian astronomers.

General is an out of character discussion.

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Postby Twilight Imperium » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:29 pm

In the beginning, the Lord did let loose a thundering blast from His holy butt, and He did light the emanations that poured forthwith.

And He did look upon the big bang that this created,

And He saw that it was good.

And on the second day, He did open a window.

Amen.

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Postby European Socialist Republic » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:29 pm

The Solar System Scope wrote:Because God created the Universe and he didn't need any Big Bang to create it. It wouldn't have any possibility to create life on Earth anyway.

Source?
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Postby Slavialand » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:29 pm

The ancestors of humans created it. Didn't you know?
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Postby Imperial Arcand » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:29 pm

Twilight Imperium wrote:In the beginning, the Lord did let loose a thundering blast from His holy butt, and He did light the emanations that poured forthwith.

And He did look upon the big bang that this created,

And He saw that it was good.

And on the second day, He did open a window.

Amen.


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Postby Kratu » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:29 pm

Twilight Imperium wrote:In the beginning, the Lord did let loose a thundering blast from His holy butt, and He did light the emanations that poured forthwith.

And He did look upon the big bang that this created,

And He saw that it was good.

And on the second day, He did open a window.

Amen.


:rofl:
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Postby Conscentia » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:31 pm

Dukats wrote:
Kratu wrote:
NAY!



NOOOOOO!!!!! :o

The story of Mbombo's creation tells that in the beginning, Mbombo was alone, and darkness and water covered the all earth. It would happen that Mbombo came to feel an intense pain in his stomach, and then Mbombo vomited the sun, the moon, and stars. The heat and light from the sun evaporated the water covering the earth, creating clouds, and after time, the dry hills emerged from the water. Then Mbombo vomited once more, bringing forth nine animals: the leopard, called Koy Bumba; the eagle, Ponga Bumba; the crocodile, Ganda Bumba; the fish, Yo Bumba; the tortoise, Kono Bumba; a black leopard-like animal, Tsetse Bumba; a white heron, Nyanyi Bumba; a scarab; and a goat named Budi. Mbombo also vomited many men, one of them was called Loko Yima.[1][2]
These nine animals went on to create all the world's creatures. The heron created all flying birds but one, the kite, and the crocodile created snakes and the iguana. The goat, Budi, brought forth all the horned animals, the scarab all insects, and Yo Bumba, all fish.[2]
Three of Mbombo's sons then said they would finish creating the world. The first to try, Nyonye Ngana, vomited white ants, but died after.[1] To honor him, the ants went deep in the earth for dark soil to bury him and transformed the barren sands at the earth's surface. The second, Chonganda, created the first plant, which in turn gave rise to all trees, grasses and flowers. And Chedi Bumba, the third son, made the last bird, the kite.[2]
Tsetse Bumba caused trouble on the earth so Mbombo chased him into the sky where he became the thunderbolt. This left people without fire, so Mbombo showed them how to make it from trees. Once the creation was complete and peaceful, Mbombo delivered it to mankind and retreated into the heavens, leaving Loko Yima to serve as "god upon the earth".[1][2] The woman of the waters, Nchienge, lived in the East, and her son, Woto, became the first king of the Kuba.[3]
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Postby Great Kleomentia » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:32 pm

Seperates wrote:
Great Kleomentia wrote:Details of a religion are irrelevant. Whats relevant is the concept, and the concept remains the same in all religions. All of the principles are almost identycal in all religions. Wether the patron is a eagle or a bearded guy is irrelevant.

What is the concept?

The code of principles and morals that religion commands. And that there is a greater power controling everything and that we are part of that greater power. Phylosophy can discuss religion into infinity, but this is the basic concept.
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Postby Imperial Arcand » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:32 pm

Dukats wrote:
Kratu wrote:
NAY!

(image)


NOOOOOO!!!!! :o

^Fix'd.
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Postby The Solar System Scope » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:32 pm

Kratu wrote:
Twilight Imperium wrote:In the beginning, the Lord did let loose a thundering blast from His holy butt, and He did light the emanations that poured forthwith.

And He did look upon the big bang that this created,

And He saw that it was good.

And on the second day, He did open a window.

Amen.


:rofl:

>:( >:( >:(
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Postby Conscentia » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:33 pm

The Solar System Scope wrote:Because God created the Universe and he didn't need any Big Bang to create it. It wouldn't have any possibility to create life on Earth anyway.

What's "God", and how did it create the universe? Where's it from? How did it come into existence? Why did it create a universe that's existence can by natural means?

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Postby Seperates » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:36 pm

Great Kleomentia wrote:
Seperates wrote:What is the concept?

The code of principles and morals that religion commands. And that there is a greater power controling everything and that we are part of that greater power. Phylosophy can discuss religion into infinity, but this is the basic concept.

Really? All religions have the same morals and principles? Or all religions have a code of morals and principles?

As well, are you sure that every religion has us being a part of that greater power? And what does it mean to be a part of that greater power?
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